NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[Primedeion]

I dont see Jokic going 18 - 58 again. This has been his worse shooting 2 game stretch in his career

That’s true, but how many players have had that 18-58 stretch anyway. That is rare territory

You can’t say this is anything remotely normal from him. It is not like say Kobe who had stretches of chucking. That’s why I am not too concerned about his shooting and two games doesn’t make a season nor MVP

You mean the Kobe whose career scoring efficiency was about as good as Larry Bird's?

Kobe: 104 TS+
Bird. : 105 TS+

I guess Larry Bird also had "stretches of chucking"

[Johnny Firpo]

Going 18/58, so shooting 31% in two games is definitely NOT rare territory. What are guys even talking about? It's rare for Jokic, but I'm very sure that we could find several dozens of two-game sample sizes that are much worse than that on similar FGA. It might be closer to the truth if we only check low post centers, although Jokic isn't strictly that either.

[LordCovington33]

Going 18/58, so shooting 31% in two games is definitely NOT rare territory. What are guys even talking about? It's rare for Jokic, but I'm very sure that we could find several dozens of two-game sample sizes that are much worse than that on similar FGA. It might be closer to the truth if we only check low post centers, although Jokic isn't strictly that either.

Point to me these games.

[Mrakar]

Going 18/58, so shooting 31% in two games is definitely NOT rare territory. What are guys even talking about? It's rare for Jokic, but I'm very sure that we could find several dozens of two-game sample sizes that are much worse than that on similar FGA. It might be closer to the truth if we only check low post centers, although Jokic isn't strictly that either.

Point to me these games.

on top of the head... guess the players yourself:

[Big J]

Embiid has been better than Jokic this year. This isn’t even a debate at this point.

[eyeatoma]

Unfortunately your opinion is of the minority in here. Or people will slander him saying he'll pick games to play.

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[CobraCommander]

Unfortunately your opinion is of the minority in here. Or people will slander him saying he'll pick games to play.

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No one will slander you but no one thinks Embiid is better than Jokic. We also don’t think Embiid is going to play better when it matters. It’s not fair...but it’s the truth. For some reason, Embiid scoring easily during meaningless games seems empty. Honestly Embiid and Luka and Booker and other guys that consistently score a ton are being under appreciated because they are doing what they always do. Hali is the new hot guy -

Start cheering for Hali bro - it’s more fun and he may be the next big thing

[Dirk]

Jokic is hurting his shooting % in the past two games

Cubbies needs to call a fan only meeting. Need to iron out the talking points if the percentage continues to dip.

[eyeatoma]

Unfortunately your opinion is of the minority in here. Or people will slander him saying he'll pick games to play.

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No one will slander you but no one thinks Embiid is better than Jokic. We also don’t think Embiid is going to play better when it matters. It’s not fair...but it’s the truth. For some reason, Embiid scoring easily during meaningless games seems empty. Honestly Embiid and Luka and Booker and other guys that consistently score a ton are being under appreciated because they are doing what they always do. Hali is the new hot guy -

Start cheering for Hali bro - it’s more fun and he may be the next big thing

No, wrong, Embiid is different than Luka or Booker dude. Embiid is very consistent during the regular season. He brings it. You can **** on him during the playoffs, but Luka and Booker are mad inconsistent in the regular season. Tatum too. Embiid and Jokic have been the most consistent in the regular season for the last 3 years.

[AleksandarN]

That’s true, but how many players have had that 18-58 stretch anyway. That is rare territory

You can’t say this is anything remotely normal from him. It is not like say Kobe who had stretches of chucking. That’s why I am not too concerned about his shooting and two games doesn’t make a season nor MVP

You mean the Kobe whose career scoring efficiency was about as good as Larry Bird's?

Kobe: 104 TS+
Bird. : 105 TS+

I guess Larry Bird also had "stretches of chucking"

I don’t know about Bird but Kobe did have bad shooting nights. So I don’t get your point.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=kobe+bryant+worst+shooting+in+a+game%2C+minimum+5+fga

[Hussien Fatal]

What’s wrong with the golden boy Jokic? He has been terrible the last two games, he’s been horrible on defense and his offensive scoring has been just as bad. 9-26 is awful especially after just having a game shooting 9-32.

I hate to bust the Jokic worshippers bubble but.,.EMBIID>Jokic no doubt about. Embiid is well on his way to winning back to back MVP awards. If and when this happens Jokic will once again be on the ALL NBA 2nd team despite his great season. Right now EMBIID is the best player in the NBA.

[Johnny Firpo]

Embiid has been better than Jokic this year. This isn’t even a debate at this point.

Jokic started out the year amazing and was somewhat better than Embiid in October and most of November. Embiid has been better since probably late November. I wouldn't say it isn't even a debate, when the team records are close, and in some stats Jokic is better (rebounding and assists) and in other, Embiid is better (PPG). It's pretty close if we view the whole season so far, and their EPM is basically identical. It's still close, but the Nuggets has to be better, and Jokic has to be better too.

[Cubbies2120]

So a few days ago, Jokic supported the current political power in charge of Serbia. This has caused a s*** storm of controversy back home because to most Serbs, it’s a corrupt party and organized crime ring. However, he had no choice if he ever wants to run businesses back home because they’ll rubber stamp all his wishes now.

Not sure if that’s the only thing going on, but considering his uncharacteristic chucking and 2019-esque on court behavior (he’s hinted at trying to tear his jersey in both games) …if that’s the reason why, I’m surprised he’s letting it affect him so much.

[Big J]

So a few days ago, Jokic supported the current political power in charge of Serbia. This has caused a s*** storm of controversy back home because to most Serbs, it’s a corrupt party and organized crime ring. However, he had no choice if he ever wants to run businesses back home because they’ll rubber stamp all his wishes now.

Not sure if that’s the only thing going on, but considering his uncharacteristic chucking and 2019-esque on court behavior (he’s hinted at trying to tear his jersey in both games) …if that’s the reason why, I’m surprised he’s letting it affect him so much.

Must be a Serbian thing.

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[losmi]

What’s wrong with the golden boy Jokic? He has been terrible the last two games, he’s been horrible on defense and his offensive scoring has been just as bad. 9-26 is awful especially after just having a game shooting 9-32.

I hate to bust the Jokic worshippers bubble but.,.EMBIID>Jokic no doubt about. Embiid is well on his way to winning back to back MVP awards. If and when this happens Jokic will once again be on the ALL NBA 2nd team despite his great season. Right now EMBIID is the best player in the NBA.

No doubt Embiid is better after these two regular season games, all those playoff series don't matter ofc.

Just FYI, as of this year, All-NBA teams are positionless (the "Embiid Rule").

[Special_Puppy]

I still think Jokic will be MVP, but his case as of now as gone from iron-clad to a bit wobbly. He no longer leads in EPM. SGA does

[LordCovington33]

Going 18/58, so shooting 31% in two games is definitely NOT rare territory. What are guys even talking about? It's rare for Jokic, but I'm very sure that we could find several dozens of two-game sample sizes that are much worse than that on similar FGA. It might be closer to the truth if we only check low post centers, although Jokic isn't strictly that either.

Point to me these games.

on top of the head... guess the players yourself:

What am I looking for? Nothing else here comes close to 58 shots over a two-game sample.

[LordCovington33]

What’s wrong with the golden boy Jokic? He has been terrible the last two games, he’s been horrible on defense and his offensive scoring has been just as bad. 9-26 is awful especially after just having a game shooting 9-32.

I hate to bust the Jokic worshippers bubble but.,.EMBIID>Jokic no doubt about. Embiid is well on his way to winning back to back MVP awards. If and when this happens Jokic will once again be on the ALL NBA 2nd team despite his great season. Right now EMBIID is the best player in the NBA.

No doubt Embiid is better after these two regular season games, all those playoff series don't matter ofc.

Just FYI, as of this year, All-NBA teams are positionless (the "Embiid Rule").

Out of all the Silver changes, this is one of the best. The two best players in the league should be first team. It is farce for one to miss out.

[kuclas]

Unfortunately your opinion is of the minority in here. Or people will slander him saying he'll pick games to play.

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No one will slander you but no one thinks Embiid is better than Jokic. We also don’t think Embiid is going to play better when it matters. It’s not fair...but it’s the truth. For some reason, Embiid scoring easily during meaningless games seems empty. Honestly Embiid and Luka and Booker and other guys that consistently score a ton are being under appreciated because they are doing what they always do. Hali is the new hot guy -

Start cheering for Hali bro - it’s more fun and he may be the next big thing

I don’t think you watch playoff games the last 3 season when it’s been peak embiid when he’s healthy. He’s been pretty dominant

Than get has major injuries during playoff the last 3 season. It’s just the nature of the playoffs but he’s never healthy. Watch embiid when he was healthy the last 3 playoffs. Sixers have been very dominant.

Than embiid comes back after missing games and is 70-80% of himself. And that in itself makes it difficult.

Jokic is lucky to be an iron man in terms of injuries. If he ever get injured and tries to play. It can be very limiting. I don’t wish injury to anyone. But that’s just the way things roll

Steph curry had below average 2016 nba finals. Why? People forget he basically missed the first round with sprain MCL. It’s extremely hard to play with sprain knees like embiid was playing with sprain Lcl last playoffs.

Curry was not himself the rest of the playoffs.

I bet you didn’t remember that curry injury affecting him

Even look at Tatum injury in game 7 vs heat. He was injured early. He was a shell of himself trying to play on the ankle.

https://sports.yahoo.com/jayson-tatum-addresses-game-7-045500269.html


So let’s not hope jokic gets injured and injuries unfortunately impact the way players perform.

So don’t tell me embiid chokes in playoffs especially the last 3 season. He chokes because he can’t stay healthy.

Do you think Tatum chokes? Game 7? No one remembers.

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic has been dealing with wrist injuries for over 2 years on-and-off and has been dealing with back injuries this year. But I don’t think that affects him (especially seeing as how his game goes up a level in playoffs), but the political statements he’s made seem to have.