Bears 2023 thread V

[Bulls69]

Ok guy, feel free to pay Fields next year to be an average QB (at best). I'd rather take a chance on an exciting rookie on a rookie salary for the next 5 years.

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Bro, there’s such thing as a can’t miss QB college and pro game are two different animals


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[Bulls69]

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Not really. It’s just acknowledging that even when using the #1 pick, maybe only half of QBs drafted turn into decent starters.

Bingo I’m old enough to remember Vinny Testaverde was a can’t miss prospect.


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[ThisGuyFawkes]

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Bro, there’s such thing as a can’t miss QB college and pro game are two different animals

I guess we'll never draft a QB again because you can't handle the risk? Just deal with mediocre QBs because that's all you know?


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[JohnnyKILLroy]

From what we’ve seen with Fields I would hope and I’m pretty confident that Poles sees he’s not the guy either. Factor in the money and it’s a no brainer. I could also see a scenario where Poles sales pitch to our next coach is - come to Chicago we’re loaded with young talent, cap space, draft picks and an exciting talented rookie QB. What’s more no brainer than no brainer?

[Hold That]

You reset because Justin will be heading into year 4 and isn’t a top 20 QB.


I don’t care how much of a crap shoot it is drafting a QB. But I would not want to be the GM who passed on Stroud and/or another Pro Bowl caliber young QB in 2024 because we’re to scared to go through the developing process again with a new QB.

[Dresden]

Why would you reset on a maybe? Let’s keep on resetting every three to four years on a Quarterback it’s easy to say an exciting Quarterback in college will translate to the Pro Game.


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If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Bro, there’s such thing as a can’t miss QB college and pro game are two different animals


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No, there are no guarantees in football as in life, but if you're afraid of taking a risk on a player that could turn your team around just because it's not a 100% sure thing, then you're not going to get anywhere as a franchise.

[Almost Retired]

If you think Caleb and Maye are "maybe's" then you're basically saying you'd never draft a QB.

Not really. It’s just acknowledging that even when using the #1 pick, maybe only half of QBs drafted turn into decent starters.

Bingo I’m old enough to remember Vinny Testaverde was a can’t miss prospect.


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That's a name from the past. Didn't it come out that he was actually color blind?

[Hold That]

Not really. It’s just acknowledging that even when using the #1 pick, maybe only half of QBs drafted turn into decent starters.

Bingo I’m old enough to remember Vinny Testaverde was a can’t miss prospect.


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That's a name from the past. Didn't it come out that he was actually color blind?

And still would’ve shattered every Bears QB record had he been drafted by the bears in 87’…

If there was ever a franchise who could gamble on QBs it’s the Bears and Commanders.

[CjayC]

QBs are rarely talked about as the best player in the draft, but I've been hearing Williams as the best. If not at the very least 1A. 1B. with Marv, if not the very very least players 1. Marv & 2. Williams. It has to be QB or trade down. If they get something like they got for Young, maybe even better... A Top 10 player at his position, 3 first round draft picks, a couple 2nd round draft picks, etc... IDK how you turn that down for one player even as great as Marvin projects to be.

You can go out & sign a good #2 like Higgins. Or draft a guy that projects to be a very good #1 in Nabers. At a certain point it's almost a game of diminishing returns, epecially if someone were to offer a crazy trade package for 1 player. I think they stop the infinite trade back, and grab the QB if they get the #1 pick this time.

[dice]

Kmet is sunk cost, and his presence isn’t what ought to be dictating whether or not a blue chip type prospect is added to the offense

of course it should. he's already looking like a value contract. find another one at a different position. there isn't even a guarantee that bowers will be better

Bowers is basically a big receiver with after the catch ability, I think he is kind of special. If you have a chance to get that type of player Cole Kmet types being on the roster don't really matter since they can obviously play together.

they need to be on the field together 75% of the time for it to make any sense at all. the leading TE combo in the entire league is only on the field together 40% of the time

If we had a good receiving TE I think there might be a better argument to not take a TE regardless but Kmet isn't that.

kmet has caught EVERY catchable throw this season! more w/o a drop than anyone in the nfl

of course, i just jinxed him

Bowers was better as a freshman than Kyle Pitts ever was in the SEC.

pitts is the current poster child for why you don't take a TE at the top of the draft. even if you DON'T already have a quality tight end

[Dresden]

Bingo I’m old enough to remember Vinny Testaverde was a can’t miss prospect.


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That's a name from the past. Didn't it come out that he was actually color blind?

And still would’ve shattered every Bears QB record had he been drafted by the bears in 87’…

If there was ever a franchise who could gamble on QBs it’s the Bears and Commanders.

At least the Commanders/Redskins have had some great QB's in recent memory- Sonny Jurgenson, Billy Kilmer, Joe Theisman, even Doug Williams. The Bears have had Jim McMahon for a few good years, and Cutler for a few good years, and that's it, going back to the 1950's.

[Dresden]

QBs are rarely talked about as the best player in the draft, but I've been hearing Williams as the best. If not at the very least 1A. 1B. with Marv, if not the very very least players 1. Marv & 2. Williams. It has to be QB or trade down. If they get something like they got for Young, maybe even better... A Top 10 player at his position, 3 first round draft picks, a couple 2nd round draft picks, etc... IDK how you turn that down for one player even as great as Marvin projects to be.

You can go out & sign a good #2 like Higgins. Or draft a guy that projects to be a very good #1 in Nabers. At a certain point it's almost a game of diminishing returns, epecially if someone were to offer a crazy trade package for 1 player. I think they stop the infinite trade back, and grab the QB if they get the #1 pick this time.

Last year Sean Payton talked about Caleb Williams being so good that he would be the reason the NFL would introduce a lottery system, because teams would be tanking so shamelessly this year to get him. As it turns out, Caleb's season hasn't been as noteworthy as his last one, so maybe that hasn't happened (or maybe it has, the way the Pats and Giants are playing)...

[Dresden]

of course it should. he's already looking like a value contract. find another one at a different position. there isn't even a guarantee that bowers will be better

Bowers is basically a big receiver with after the catch ability, I think he is kind of special. If you have a chance to get that type of player Cole Kmet types being on the roster don't really matter since they can obviously play together.

they need to be on the field together 75% of the time for it to make any sense at all. the leading TE combo in the entire league is only on the field together 40% of the time

If we had a good receiving TE I think there might be a better argument to not take a TE regardless but Kmet isn't that.

kmet has caught EVERY catchable throw this season! more w/o a drop than anyone in the nfl

of course, i just jinxed him

Bowers was better as a freshman than Kyle Pitts ever was in the SEC.

pitts is the current poster child for why you don't take a TE at the top of the draft. even if you DON'T already have a quality tight end

If we did draft Bowers, he would need to be used as a hybrid TE/WR. Running a 4.45 40, he's fast enough to play WR. I don't think the fact that Kmet has caught every ball thrown his way necessarily means he's a great receiver. How often does he get open? How many YAC does he get? How much pressure is he putting on the defense? I wouldn't let the career of Pitts guide my decision on Bowers. The last WR the Bears took real high was Kevin White. That doesn't mean we shouldn't take another WR in the top 5.

I would love the idea of adding a great young QB (Maye or Caleb), and a dynamic TE like Bowers in this draft. You can always try to trade Kmet (probably a good move if you could get a good guard or center for him). The Patriots won a SB with Aaron Hernandez and Gronk.

[CjayC]

QBs are rarely talked about as the best player in the draft, but I've been hearing Williams as the best. If not at the very least 1A. 1B. with Marv, if not the very very least players 1. Marv & 2. Williams. It has to be QB or trade down. If they get something like they got for Young, maybe even better... A Top 10 player at his position, 3 first round draft picks, a couple 2nd round draft picks, etc... IDK how you turn that down for one player even as great as Marvin projects to be.

You can go out & sign a good #2 like Higgins. Or draft a guy that projects to be a very good #1 in Nabers. At a certain point it's almost a game of diminishing returns, epecially if someone were to offer a crazy trade package for 1 player. I think they stop the infinite trade back, and grab the QB if they get the #1 pick this time.

Last year Sean Payton talked about Caleb Williams being so good that he would be the reason the NFL would introduce a lottery system, because teams would be tanking so shamelessly this year to get him. As it turns out, Caleb's season hasn't been as noteworthy as his last one, so maybe that hasn't happened (or maybe it has, the way the Pats and Giants are playing)...

Ryan Poles has built an elite group of tankers. 2 Losses where the win probability was over 90%.

I think a lot of the down talk on Williams is prospect fatigue. He's not perfect by any means, had a rough time of it with ranked teams, but this is about as good as you can get. When April comes around there won't be any doubt about the #1 pick.

[Chi town]

From what we’ve seen with Fields I would hope and I’m pretty confident that Poles sees he’s not the guy either. Factor in the money and it’s a no brainer. I could also see a scenario where Poles sales pitch to our next coach is - come to Chicago we’re loaded with young talent, cap space, draft picks and an exciting talented rookie QB. What’s more no brainer than no brainer?

Let’s hope.

It would take basically his Commanders game every game from here on out to change my decision.

The financial piece is huge. We can put tigether an elite team that can win with a game manager that doesn’t turn it over.

[Chi town]

of course it should. he's already looking like a value contract. find another one at a different position. there isn't even a guarantee that bowers will be better

Bowers is basically a big receiver with after the catch ability, I think he is kind of special. If you have a chance to get that type of player Cole Kmet types being on the roster don't really matter since they can obviously play together.

they need to be on the field together 75% of the time for it to make any sense at all. the leading TE combo in the entire league is only on the field together 40% of the time

If we had a good receiving TE I think there might be a better argument to not take a TE regardless but Kmet isn't that.

kmet has caught EVERY catchable throw this season! more w/o a drop than anyone in the nfl

of course, i just jinxed him

Bowers was better as a freshman than Kyle Pitts ever was in the SEC.

pitts is the current poster child for why you don't take a TE at the top of the draft. even if you DON'T already have a quality tight end

Bowers is a different beast. He’s MHJ of TE’s and really a hybrid slot WR. He creates mismatches all over the field.

Pitts would look better with a real QB.

[Chi town]

Draft two of the following and let’s win a playoff game next season…

CW
MHJ
Bowers
Latu

[dice]

Bowers is basically a big receiver with after the catch ability, I think he is kind of special. If you have a chance to get that type of player Cole Kmet types being on the roster don't really matter since they can obviously play together.

they need to be on the field together 75% of the time for it to make any sense at all. the leading TE combo in the entire league is only on the field together 40% of the time

If we had a good receiving TE I think there might be a better argument to not take a TE regardless but Kmet isn't that.

kmet has caught EVERY catchable throw this season! more w/o a drop than anyone in the nfl

of course, i just jinxed him

Bowers was better as a freshman than Kyle Pitts ever was in the SEC.

pitts is the current poster child for why you don't take a TE at the top of the draft. even if you DON'T already have a quality tight end

Bowers is a different beast. He’s MHJ of TE’s and really a hybrid slot WR. He creates mismatches all over the field.

Pitts would look better with a real QB.

i'll take your word for it. but i still feel if they're drafting bowers they'd better be trading kmet. hopefully they'll win 2 more games so it won't even be an option

[biggestbullsfan]

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[CjayC]

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Not too much to unpack. Ordinarily we'd probably just tough it out with Fields. Maybe hedge our bets with a Day 2 QB. It's just bad luck, and bad timing for Fields that the Panthers ended up being this bad, in a year with strong QB prospects.