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[spree2kawhi]

You really really really have to give it up for OKC. I completely envy their team...they have literally drafted another bunch of very very good players...damn: Giddey,Dort,Williams,Joe and the trade for SGA. Brilliant, just brilliant.

They simply did what we should have done. They tanked.

[MrDollarBills]

[HopelessKnick]

You really really really have to give it up for OKC. I completely envy their team...they have literally drafted another bunch of very very good players...damn: Giddey,Dort,Williams,Joe and the trade for SGA. Brilliant, just brilliant.

They simply did what we should have done. They tanked.

Yep. The biggest reason why the Knicks have been the worst franchise in the past 23 years. For me, the current regime under Rose lost a lot of credibility when in 2022---when the Knicks were 25-38 and were essentially eliminated from the playoff race but had the possibility to improve draft position---they decided to go on a meaningless late season surge to finish 37-45 and trade the pick. It showed me that Rose really has no vision and is only concerned with short term gain and preserving his own position. It was such a senseless thing to do and a waste of an opportunity:

Banchero, Holmgren, Smith, Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, Sochan, Williams, Duren all interesting players that could have helped the franchise. Instead we dropped to 13th, traded down to 25----traded the pick away for Reddish---really no vision whatsoever.

The Brunson signing keeps Rose from a straight F in grading his tenure.

[HopelessKnick]

Just imagine...Jalen Williams ---two way SF getting you 18points/4rebounds/4assists while shooting 51% from the field and 37% from 3 along with 87% from the FT line. Already better than RJ. Was drafted at 12th slot 18months ago and could have been of tremendous help to this team.

Now if you wanted to trade for such a guy today, you would have to pay likely 4+ FRPs if the other side was willing to trade at all....Rose really needs to be fired...sick of that idiot.

[Reign23]

The Warriors are a fascinating case. They need to get Green out of the PF spot. They need an upgrade. His passing is top level, he needs to be their center though. Looney is nice and a keeper, but they shouldn’t be on the floor together. Where do they get the upgrade? Randle would be a fit, Lavine too. They have moody and Kuminga to offer, I’d assume there must be a pick they can trade down the road.

Spoiler:

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
Randle
Green


or

Curry
Lavine
Klay
Wiggins
Green/Looney


That looks a lot better. Randle would finally play second fiddle to someone who wouldn’t put up with his ****. I’d assume he would also listen to what Green had to say about uninspired play. They’ve also still got Saric to play a little bigger and move Wiggins and Klay to their more natural positions in the other scenario for stretches. They can’t keep getting outpaced though, they’re the Warriors. Between Looney and Green there’s literally not enough space to operate.

the whole warriors system is build around ball movement, shooting and switchabilty on defense. there aren't worse fits than Randle for them. I agree tho, that they need a second option badly.

[Clyde_Style]

What's a more realistic chance of us landing a true super star?

I'd rather take a chance on Zion than fck around with DD or Donovan or kat orany other plager linked to us. And if Zion doesn't work out CAA is cooked. They've been playing it safe. And with half of us beening ashy as hell we don't have time to waste being mid with no chance to actually be contenders.

Zion is a joke. You don’t want guys on your team who lack motivation. He doesn’t care about basketball. He got his bag. He’ll be out of the league within 5 years. Or he’ll have an Oliver Miller journeyman career.

"I can fix her"

Exactly. Reminds me of the saying: If a woman tells you she's crazy, she's crazy.

The feeling that everything will get better with a change of scenery is a rescue fantasy fans are projecting on to Zion.

He has been telling everyone "I'm fat and lazy and DGAF" and they still want to believe she's going to be sane when she shacks up with them because she's so damn sexy

[spree2kawhi]

You really really really have to give it up for OKC. I completely envy their team...they have literally drafted another bunch of very very good players...damn: Giddey,Dort,Williams,Joe and the trade for SGA. Brilliant, just brilliant.

They simply did what we should have done. They tanked.

Yep. The biggest reason why the Knicks have been the worst franchise in the past 23 years. For me, the current regime under Rose lost a lot of credibility when in 2022---when the Knicks were 25-38 and were essentially eliminated from the playoff race but had the possibility to improve draft position---they decided to go on a meaningless late season surge to finish 37-45 and trade the pick. It showed me that Rose really has no vision and is only concerned with short term gain and preserving his own position. It was such a senseless thing to do and a waste of an opportunity:

Banchero, Holmgren, Smith, Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, Sochan, Williams, Duren all interesting players that could have helped the franchise. Instead we dropped to 13th, traded down to 25----traded the pick away for Reddish---really no vision whatsoever.

The Brunson signing keeps Rose from a straight F in grading his tenure.

Incredible and it’s been the same for ten years. There was this guy whose name I forgot that hit the game winner in the last game of the season five years ago or so only to take another dump on our draft odds. Needless to say, 70% of the players from that team aren’t in the league anymore. I think Knox, Frank, KP and THJr remain from that team. AH, Randle of course, so I guess it’s 66% who are now out of the league.

[spree2kawhi]

The Warriors are a fascinating case. They need to get Green out of the PF spot. They need an upgrade. His passing is top level, he needs to be their center though. Looney is nice and a keeper, but they shouldn’t be on the floor together. Where do they get the upgrade? Randle would be a fit, Lavine too. They have moody and Kuminga to offer, I’d assume there must be a pick they can trade down the road.

Spoiler:

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
Randle
Green


or

Curry
Lavine
Klay
Wiggins
Green/Looney


That looks a lot better. Randle would finally play second fiddle to someone who wouldn’t put up with his ****. I’d assume he would also listen to what Green had to say about uninspired play. They’ve also still got Saric to play a little bigger and move Wiggins and Klay to their more natural positions in the other scenario for stretches. They can’t keep getting outpaced though, they’re the Warriors. Between Looney and Green there’s literally not enough space to operate.

the whole warriors system is build around ball movement, shooting and switchabilty on defense. there aren't worse fits than Randle for them. I agree tho, that they need a second option badly.

He would merely catch great passes on that team. He’d excel and make us look bad. Win-win.

[HopelessKnick]

They simply did what we should have done. They tanked.

Yep. The biggest reason why the Knicks have been the worst franchise in the past 23 years. For me, the current regime under Rose lost a lot of credibility when in 2022---when the Knicks were 25-38 and were essentially eliminated from the playoff race but had the possibility to improve draft position---they decided to go on a meaningless late season surge to finish 37-45 and trade the pick. It showed me that Rose really has no vision and is only concerned with short term gain and preserving his own position. It was such a senseless thing to do and a waste of an opportunity:

Banchero, Holmgren, Smith, Ivey, Mathurin, Sharpe, Sochan, Williams, Duren all interesting players that could have helped the franchise. Instead we dropped to 13th, traded down to 25----traded the pick away for Reddish---really no vision whatsoever.

The Brunson signing keeps Rose from a straight F in grading his tenure.

Incredible and it’s been the same for ten years. There was this guy whose name I forgot that hit the game winner in the last game of the season five years ago or so only to take another dump on our draft odds. Needless to say, 70% of the players from that team aren’t in the league anymore. I think Knox, Frank, KP and THJr remain from that team. AH, Randle of course, so I guess it’s 66% who are now out of the league.

I think you are referring to 2018 or so when the Knicks were literally the worst team in the NBA for 80 games and then decided to win the last two games which dropped them from best lottery odds to second best (Wolves got 1st position). Needless to say, in the lottery the Knicks dropped from 2 to 4 while the Wolves remained at 1. The Wolves drafted Towns while the Knicks ended up with Porzingis and the following saga. Typical Knicks----sheer stupidity at work at all levels.
I think it was Derek Fisher who was the coach and seemingly upbeat and super happy about the final two wins that trashed the Knick draft position.

[MrDollarBills]

That Kyrie injury last night was awful. Dwight Powell's entire body landed right on the middle of his knee.

All BS aside, i hope dude will be alright and that wasn't structural or ligament damage. That looked bad

[HopelessKnick]

The Knicks, holding the NBA's worst record since 2000, never held the top draft choice. 16 different teams held the first draft position. If you look at first and second draft choice---then the Knicks are one of 3 teams that over the past 23 seasons never held the first or second draft choice. The other two being Boston and Miami.

Now both those teams were rarely in the lottery so you really wouldn't expect them to hold such picks. But the Knicks as the absolutely worst team never held them either. Tells you another thing about the sheer idiocy and stupidity of this franchise in a nutshell.

[Deeeez Knicks]

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[MrDollarBills]

The Knicks, holding the NBA's worst record since 2000, never held the top draft choice. 16 different teams held the first draft position. If you look at first and second draft choice---then the Knicks are one of 3 teams that over the past 23 seasons never held the first or second draft choice. The other two being Boston and Miami.

Now both those teams were rarely in the lottery so you really wouldn't expect them to hold such picks. But the Knicks as the absolutely worst team never held them either. Tells you another thing about the sheer idiocy and stupidity of this franchise in a nutshell.

Don't forget, the stupid ass, poorly run Nets gifted Tatum and Brown to the Celtics. They wouldn't be anywhere near this level right now if it wasn't for that. So don't let it get you down...the team is in good shape and ready for when opportunities come.

[HopelessKnick]

That Kyrie injury last night was awful. Dwight Powell's entire body landed right on the middle of his knee.

All BS aside, i hope dude will be alright and that wasn't structural or ligament damage. That looked bad

I know that it is wrong but I actually wouldn't mind a 2 months absence of Kyrie. Not wishing him any terrible, career altering injury but an injury that heals completely in 2 months but also makes him miss 25 games would not be the worst. Would make it more likely the pick is in the mid-teens rather than mid 20s.

[HopelessKnick]

The Knicks, holding the NBA's worst record since 2000, never held the top draft choice. 16 different teams held the first draft position. If you look at first and second draft choice---then the Knicks are one of 3 teams that over the past 23 seasons never held the first or second draft choice. The other two being Boston and Miami.

Now both those teams were rarely in the lottery so you really wouldn't expect them to hold such picks. But the Knicks as the absolutely worst team never held them either. Tells you another thing about the sheer idiocy and stupidity of this franchise in a nutshell.

Don't forget, the stupid ass, poorly run Nets gifted Tatum and Brown to the Celtics. They wouldn't be anywhere near this level right now if it wasn't for that. So don't let it get you down...the team is in good shape and ready for when opportunities come.

Actually I was wrong. The Celtics held the first pick but traded down to 3 and took Tatum there while the Sixers traded up to first to take Fultz. So it was quite a bold move by the Celtics and by that merit alone I would call it "well deserved". You need balls to trade down from 1 to 3 and then you need brains to take the best player of that draft at 3. Terrific job. They earned Tatum in that sense if you ask me. Boston held the first and the Lakers the second pick (Ingram) in that draft.

Now imagine Rose being put in such circumstances He would probably trade the first pick for 2 late lottery picks, one protected future pick, 3 second rounders and another conditional second rounder....while all amounting to absolutely nothing.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Pacers want a big wing, obviously they mean OG. He went to college in Indiana too.

[HopelessKnick]

Pacers want a big wing, obviously they mean OG. He went to college in Indiana too.

Without exaggeration I think that 15+ teams would incquire if the Raptors made OG available. Almost any team could use him.