Scoot Henderson

[MasterIchiro]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

Miller plays with a chip and we love him in North Carolina. The truth is, you optimize the offense by playing through the top playmaker on your team, and LaMelo is in a class of his own despite Scoot being very talented in this department. You lose value every time you play through Scoot instead of LaMelo. Honestly, Miller looks like a prolific scorer and he has the confidence I saw in Scoot.

Miller looks more NBA-ready and is shooting 40% from 3. He scored 20 tonight and hit a clutch 3 to close it. His confidence is outrageous and just something that can't be taught.

Hornets made the better choice here. I liked both players, and recognize Scoot is one year younger. So, you will not see me dancing on any graves. I thought it would be hard to root for Miller after passing on my guy but Brandon has made it easy.

He plays like Paul Pierce.

i don't think it'll be particularly close in a couple of years but glad you're enjoying Miller and hope he can be great for you guys

It was gut-wrenching to watch Scoot be part of quality possession after quality possession the one time I watched him in Summer League. He sees the floor so well and knows what to do with the ball in his hands. He's going to become a bedrock player for the Blazers. He just needs more time to do those things vs. NBA defenses. Eventually, he will relax, the game will slow down and he will realize most NBA defenses are Swiss cheese but still, few thrive in isolation.

Miller also shows an instinct towards making the right play on both ends. His reads on offense and defense have been impressive. Happy to space the floor with LaMelo & Miller. Both launch bombs, and do so without hesitation. Brandon has a very strong dribble and it's tough for defenders to knock him off his course. His passing has been better than advertised.

One player is a central playmaker and the other looks like a pure scorer. As of now, the ingredients look like a fine recipe so we're optimizing Brandon Miller as a teammate for our primary playmaker.

If Miller becomes a #1 option, Scoot would have to become an NBA legend for me to be pissed off. Draft night, I was stunned though. Ngl.

[KembaWalker]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

[clyde21]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

nobody cares about TS% about two rookies barely 20 games into their rookie season dog, especially two with drastically different roles...go away

[KembaWalker]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

nobody cares about TS% about two rookies barely 20 games into their rookie season dog, especially two with drastically different roles...go away

People don't care about efficiency but they care about per 36 points/rebound/assist? Not even good bait bro, you can do better

[JMAC3]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

nobody cares about TS% about two rookies barely 20 games into their rookie season dog, especially two with drastically different roles...go away

How convenient that shooting percentage doesn't matter at all when the one is shooting 18% from three with one of the worst eFg% in the league.... but hey let's talk about per36 numbers. That is what really matters lol.

[clyde21]

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

nobody cares about TS% about two rookies barely 20 games into their rookie season dog, especially two with drastically different roles...go away

People don't care about efficiency but they care about per 36 points/rebound/assist? Not even good bait bro, you can do better

nobody cares about efficiency for rookies barely 20 games into their season...that's twice I repeat this hopefully there won't be a third time.

[KembaWalker]

nobody cares about TS% about two rookies barely 20 games into their rookie season dog, especially two with drastically different roles...go away

People don't care about efficiency but they care about per 36 points/rebound/assist? Not even good bait bro, you can do better

nobody cares about efficiency for rookies barely 20 games into their season...that's twice I repeat this hopefully there won't be a third time.

i guess you can't do better

[Big J]

nobody cares about TS% about two rookies barely 20 games into their rookie season dog, especially two with drastically different roles...go away

People don't care about efficiency but they care about per 36 points/rebound/assist? Not even good bait bro, you can do better

nobody cares about efficiency for rookies barely 20 games into their season...that's twice I repeat this hopefully there won't be a third time.

Yea, let's ignore efficiency and only cite per36 stats, lol. By that logic Brandon Jennings, Jonny Flynn, James Wiseman should be killing it in 2023. It's actually sad to see you stoop this low man.

[FarBeyondDriven]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

yeah, you can't ignore these things. That's why context matters. I still think it's too early to worry about a young PG though. There's a couple of constants in scouting and they're that bigs take longer to develop but you still need to take them early because the position is so shallow, everyone needs size and the payoff could be worth it, and guards struggle early in their career because it's the deepest position, vets are savvy and the more you have the ball the more you're going to have turnovers and struggle shooting the ball against longer and better NBA athletes.

[Big J]

im confused - is Miller supposed to be doing better than Scoot or something so far?

Miller per36: 16/5/2
Scoot per36: 13/4/6

what is even happening here?

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

yeah, you can't ignore these things. That's why context matters. I still think it's too early to worry about a young PG though. There's a couple of constants in scouting and they're that bigs take longer to develop but you still need to take them early because the position is so shallow, everyone needs size and the payoff could be worth it, and guards struggle early in their career because it's the deepest position, vets are savvy and the more you have the ball the more you're going to have turnovers and struggle shooting the ball against longer and better NBA athletes.

The problem here is that Scoot is showing some huge red flags when it comes to what he will be able to do when he reaches his peak.

A. He's short.
B. He can't shoot.
C. He's not a good enough athlete to overcome the previous 2 disadvantages.

In order for him to become a star he would have needed 1 of those 3 things to be at an elite level relative to other guys at his position. His best case scenario at this point is to try to become a lock down defender/playmaker Jrue Holiday/Marcus Smart type.

[TheDraftGuy]

There is a narrative being developed now, saying "Point Guard is the hardest position in the NBA and requires YEARS to learn".

That may be true for players outside the lottery or top prospects who were drafted at 21-22 years old - "non-prodigies".

But in today's NBA, it's not probable that an under-21 "Point Guard Prodigy" taken at the top of the lottery who performs like Scoot ever becomes a superstar.

If you are drafted at 19 years of age as such a prospect, you either get it from Day 1 or you don't ever. NBA superstars like Kyrie,Wall, Rose, Morant, Trae, Fox already showed this in their first 10-15 games as players who were Scoot's age.

Yes, they were raw and "advanced stats" may not have favored them but if they showed flashes, getting multiple 18-20 point games and reliable go-to moves, they were able to showcase the kind of player they'd eventually become.

Scoot hasn't really shown this.

I'd say Scoot's best case scenario now is becoming a Darius Garland tier player rather than the Iverson, Rose, Morant player some predicted he'd become. Otherwise, D'Angelo Russell and Markelle Fultz are his closest comparisons if you want to look at young prodigies with similar performances

Now, it'd be absolutely wonderful if Scoot defied this predicament and makes a historical come back as a superstar but it's just not likely that he does so.

[EMG518]

He is 19 years old and has played 12 games. All I have to say.

[FarBeyondDriven]

All it takes is using per36, ignoring a 15% difference in TS, and forget that one is starting and the other is a bench player, and ignore the eye test completely, and it almost kind of seems like they are close!

yeah, you can't ignore these things. That's why context matters. I still think it's too early to worry about a young PG though. There's a couple of constants in scouting and they're that bigs take longer to develop but you still need to take them early because the position is so shallow, everyone needs size and the payoff could be worth it, and guards struggle early in their career because it's the deepest position, vets are savvy and the more you have the ball the more you're going to have turnovers and struggle shooting the ball against longer and better NBA athletes.

The problem here is that Scoot is showing some huge red flags when it comes to what he will be able to do when he reaches his peak.

A. He's short.
B. He can't shoot.
C. He's not a good enough athlete to overcome the previous 2 disadvantages.

In order for him to become a star he would have needed 1 of those 3 things to be at an elite level relative to other guys at his position. His best case scenario at this point is to try to become a lock down defender/playmaker Jrue Holiday/Marcus Smart type.

he's no doubt struggling but we disagree about factual things like his height (he's a legit 6'2") which isn't ideal but combined with his length and size, gives him enough for the position, and he's a pretty good athlete with a quick first step, good leaping ability and power.

It seems to me that he lacks confidence which is very common for young PGs. Confidence in his shot, confidence health-wise, and confidence in the system. I don't think he's a very smart kid so not knowing the system and picking it up quickly could be really the main issue. He looks lost, tentative and afraid to make mistakes.

The prospect he was entering the draft isn't the player we are seeing now. I don't believe we all got it wrong. At worst, even his biggest haters had to have had him as a lottery pick in a supposedly strong draft class so it's not like anyone got it right and it's too early to tell anyway. I am not defending his play. He looks like a bust. But he could be a completely different player after an off-season, Summer League and camp. It's too early to write him off. Remember, he barely played, was oft-injured, and had a busy off-season.

[FarBeyondDriven]

There is a narrative being developed now, saying "Point Guard is the hardest position in the NBA and requires YEARS to learn".

That may be true for players outside the lottery or top prospects who were drafted at 21-22 years old - "non-prodigies".

But in today's NBA, it's not probable that an under-21 "Point Guard Prodigy" taken at the top of the lottery who performs like Scoot ever becomes a superstar.

If you are drafted at 19 years of age as such a prospect, you either get it from Day 1 or you don't ever. NBA superstars like Kyrie,Wall, Rose, Morant, Trae, Fox already showed this in their first 10-15 games as players who were Scoot's age.

Yes, they were raw and "advanced stats" may not have favored them but if they showed flashes, getting multiple 18-20 point games and reliable go-to moves, they were able to showcase the kind of player they'd eventually become.

Scoot hasn't really shown this.

I'd say Scoot's best case scenario now is becoming a Darius Garland tier player rather than the Iverson, Rose, Morant player some predicted he'd become. Otherwise, D'Angelo Russell and Markelle Fultz are his closest comparisons if you want to look at young prodigies with similar performances

Now, it'd be absolutely wonderful if Scoot defied this predicament and makes a historical come back as a superstar but it's just not likely that he does so.

well, I think what some are saying is that he never should have been hyped as a superstar level guy in the first place. If those were the expectations, and I see that many on here had those, then obviously those seem outlandish now. I think Fultz was also overhyped and I'd put Scoot and Fultz (pre-injury) in the same tier as prospects. We can't keep expecting guards to be the next Rose, Iverson or Morant. They are outliers and just because they aren't those guys doesn't mean they can't be above average starting point guards.

I think this humble pie Scoot is currently eating will either destroy him and he'll be out of the league in 3 years or he'll use it as motivation and come back looking like the great prospect he was.

[Hal14]

If you want to hang your hat on an outlier like Garland for your Scoot Bags then go for it.

Just a funny comp when this thread is full of people shouting how Pro ready Scoot was because of the Gleague playing pros for 2 years... vs Garland who played a total of 5 college games. At least Garland had some type of excuse for the adjustment period.

You think Garland is the only rookie that ever struggled?

Name us all the guards under 6'4" who had really bad shooting splits, a turnover % over 20 as a rookie and went on to be an all-star in the past 20 years..

[EvanZ]

I don’t know Hal. I don’t have stats after only the first thirteen games going back 30 years. Perhaps…PERHAPS we should wait at least a full season to do such comparisons so they can be…UM…FAIR?

Btw for the lap takers I notice you’re quiet after he had 19/6 night while sinking 3 threes. +11 far and away the only positive for the Blazers last night. Hmmm funny how this always goes. It never gets old LMAO.


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[EvanZ]

Literally 13 games. How can people be so clueless? It’s literally less than half of one college season. It’s just astonishing to me that people can’t be patient enough to give players even a few months into their rookie season to begin to form opinions. It’s wild. Absolutely wild. Shows who the clowns are versus the real ones though. The real ones are old enough and have been around long enough to know better.


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[DOT]

Baron Davis averaged 6.2 ppg, 3.4 apg on 45/19/62 his first 13 games. You extend that to 14 games, he's at 5.9 ppg on 43/17/62

Really his whole rookie year, he averaged 5.9 ppg, 3.8 apg on 42/23/63 as the 3rd overall pick with 0 starts, TO% of 21.9

Chauncey Billups, 3rd overall pick, averaged 9.8 ppg on 37/25/83 splits. 11.2 ppg on 37/33/85 for his whole rookie year, TO% of 16.7

Ben Gordon, 3rd overall pick, averaged 10.9 ppg on 37/37/81 splits first 13 games, TO% of 13.7 on the year

Deron Williams, 3rd overall pick, 12.8 ppg on 38/37/74 splits first 13 games, TO% of 14.4 on the year

Russell Westbrook, 4th overall pick, 12.1 ppg on 32/26/84 splits first 13, TO% of 17.6% on the year

I stopped after that cause I got bored, and I'm not a huge Scoot guy, but guys have had similarly bad starts to their career and gone on to be pretty good. Probably more that haven't than have, but it wouldn't be unheard of for a player with his stats to get good.

[JMAC3]

I don’t know Hal. I don’t have stats after only the first thirteen games going back 30 years. Perhaps…PERHAPS we should wait at least a full season to do such comparisons so they can be…UM…FAIR?

Btw for the lap takers I notice you’re quiet after he had 19/6 night while sinking 3 threes. +11 far and away the only positive for the Blazers last night. Hmmm funny how this always goes. It never gets old LMAO.

Bro is upset we weren't in here at 1 am or 8 am this morning giving Scoot his flowers.
Yeah, clearly his best offensive game of the year scoring 19 pts on 16 shots.

If he can play like that consistently then I think people will be happy with him as a top 5 pick, but when you have to look through 13 games and you are squinting to find 2-3 good games then I will still hold my reservations. I just need to see more consistency, would be ideal if he can at least shoot 30% from 3 by the end of the year.

[EvanZ]

You’ll always have those first five games JMAC. Lmaoooooooo


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