Celts Nix Knicks! Victory Cigar vs NYK 12/8

[KillahGhostface]

Jrue’s TS is 53.5%, Jaylen’s is 54.8%. Let’s be accurate, I think.

Tatum and his non alpha self is averaging 28 a game on a 62% TS, on his lowest usage in years. I think he’s too content letting other guys do their thing, but that also pays off come playoff time.

When Jaylen can prove he’s an above average shooter again, maybe people will be comfortable with him shooting more. Until then? Nah. And it’s been a years long trend with his jumper, I’ve posted the numbers, it’s a legitimate concern. He is a 1/1 assist to TO guy, his outside shot has fallen off a cliff, he doesn’t get to the line, and even when he does, he’s not a good FT shooter. KP is a better weapon from everywhere on the floor, and gets to the line a ton per touch.

KP CLEARLY should be the second option, which is why he’s now second on the team in front court touches per game. If he’s playing at top 10-15 level like he’s done so far this year, why the hell would him being the second option lead to failure?

[Sweet Serenity]

Jaylen was passing because of that ESPN graphic. Now that he's got some assists he's gonna go back to just being himself.

Just enjoy the win man lol

[lon3lytoaster]

Stupid refs would rather see players get hurt.

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Actually a good point here. I didn’t know what happened and why but definitely might be the bull **** techs. You can see his leg buckles a little when he lands on it hard. Very dangerous for a basketball player.

Hate the refs this season, they’re out of control.

[KillahGhostface]

Oh man I debated and was so nice about it, I’m a real boy now.

[sam_I_am]

Jrue’s TS is 53.5%, Jaylen’s is 54.8%. Let’s be accurate, I think.

Tatum and his non alpha self is averaging 28 a game on a 62% TS, on his lowest usage in years. I think he’s too content letting other guys do their thing, but that also pays off come playoff time.

When Jaylen can prove he’s an above average shooter again, maybe people will be comfortable with him shooting more. Until then? Nah. And it’s been a years long trend with his jumper, I’ve posted the numbers, it’s a legitimate concern. He is a 1/1 assist to TO guy, his outside shot has fallen off a cliff, he doesn’t get to the line, and even when he does, he’s not a good FT shooter. KP is a better weapon from everywhere on the floor, and gets to the line a ton per touch.

KP CLEARLY should be the second option, which is why he’s now second on the team in front court touches per game. If he’s playing at top 10-15 level like he’s done so far this year, why the hell would him being the second option lead to failure?

Injury history and durability (50 games/season x 8 yrs), slight frame, toughness, 22% 3 pt shooting past 10 games, track record in Dallas……just a few thoughts as to why the hell why.

[KillahGhostface]

Jrue’s TS is 53.5%, Jaylen’s is 54.8%. Let’s be accurate, I think.

Tatum and his non alpha self is averaging 28 a game on a 62% TS, on his lowest usage in years. I think he’s too content letting other guys do their thing, but that also pays off come playoff time.

When Jaylen can prove he’s an above average shooter again, maybe people will be comfortable with him shooting more. Until then? Nah. And it’s been a years long trend with his jumper, I’ve posted the numbers, it’s a legitimate concern. He is a 1/1 assist to TO guy, his outside shot has fallen off a cliff, he doesn’t get to the line, and even when he does, he’s not a good FT shooter. KP is a better weapon from everywhere on the floor, and gets to the line a ton per touch.

KP CLEARLY should be the second option, which is why he’s now second on the team in front court touches per game. If he’s playing at top 10-15 level like he’s done so far this year, why the hell would him being the second option lead to failure?

Injury history and durability (50 games/season x 8 yrs), slight frame, toughness, 22% 3 pt shooting past 10 games, track record in Dallas……just a few thoughts as to why the hell why.

He’s 29% from three over his last 10 games. Again, accuracy is key in debates, IMO. Unless you mean the teams last 10 games (in which he’s played 5), but you wouldn’t be using a sample of five games of three point shooting, would you? Also, his TS over that time is 65%, 10% higher than Jaylen’s for the season, and 7% higher than Jaylens last few years.

His toughness seems quite impressive. His frame is no longer slight, dude is a tank. His track record in Dallas? That’s curious, as you say it’s on Tatum’s play, for this team to get where it’s needed, so shouldn’t you blame Luka, as the Mavs best player?

Porzingis has been 70th percentile or better with on/off 7 out of his 9 seasons. Jaylen has been 70% or better in 2 out of his 8 seasons, including 21st percentile last year, and 22nd percentile this year.

So he’s more efficient, a better shooter, gets to the line more, much better defender, and probably better as a passer. There’s a reason he is getting more front court touches per game than Jaylen.

So, again. If KP continues playing like he has (seems very realistic, considering he’s been cold from 3) why can’t he be your second option?

Spoiler alert: he can.

Jaylen on the other hand, has fallen off a cliff as a shooter the last four years, from 16 feet and out. But yeah, KP’s outside shooting over his last five games is a concern. Again, here are Jaylen’s shooting numbers

C&S since 20-21

43.1
36.7
33.4
33.3

This year he’s at 36% on them, but considering the looks he gets, 36% isn’t good enough.

His deep 2s over the last four years

49%
44%
41%
30%

That is a broken shot. That’s why his TS has been around league average or lower for a few years now.

[steefP2]

Spoiler:

Jrue’s TS is 53.5%, Jaylen’s is 54.8%. Let’s be accurate, I think.

Tatum and his non alpha self is averaging 28 a game on a 62% TS, on his lowest usage in years. I think he’s too content letting other guys do their thing, but that also pays off come playoff time.

When Jaylen can prove he’s an above average shooter again, maybe people will be comfortable with him shooting more. Until then? Nah. And it’s been a years long trend with his jumper, I’ve posted the numbers, it’s a legitimate concern. He is a 1/1 assist to TO guy, his outside shot has fallen off a cliff, he doesn’t get to the line, and even when he does, he’s not a good FT shooter. KP is a better weapon from everywhere on the floor, and gets to the line a ton per touch.

KP CLEARLY should be the second option, which is why he’s now second on the team in front court touches per game. If he’s playing at top 10-15 level like he’s done so far this year, why the hell would him being the second option lead to failure?

Injury history and durability (50 games/season x 8 yrs), slight frame, toughness, 22% 3 pt shooting past 10 games, track record in Dallas……just a few thoughts as to why the hell why.

He’s 29% from three over his last 10 games. Again, accuracy is key in debates, IMO. Unless you mean the teams last 10 games (in which he’s played 5), but you wouldn’t be using a sample of five games of three point shooting, would you? Also, his TS over that time is 65%, 10% higher than Jaylen’s for the season, and 7% higher than Jaylens last few years.

His toughness seems quite impressive. His frame is no longer slight, dude is a tank. His track record in Dallas? That’s curious, as you say it’s on Tatum’s play, for this team to get where it’s needed, so shouldn’t you blame Luka, as the Mavs best player?

Porzingis has been 70th percentile or better with on/off 7 out of his 9 seasons. Jaylen has been 70% or better in 2 out of his 8 seasons, including 21st percentile last year, and 22nd percentile this year.

So he’s more efficient, a better shooter, gets to the line more, much better defender, and probably better as a passer. There’s a reason he is getting more front court touches per game than Jaylen.

So, again. If KP continues playing like he has (seems very realistic, considering he’s been cold from 3) why can’t he be your second option?

Spoiler alert: he can.

Jaylen on the other hand, has fallen off a cliff as a shooter the last four years, from 16 feet and out. But yeah, KP’s outside shooting over his last five games is a concern. Again, here are Jaylen’s shooting numbers

C&S since 20-21

43.1
36.7
33.4
33.3

This year he’s at 36% on them, but considering the looks he gets, 36% isn’t good enough.

His deep 2s over the last four years

49%
44%
41%
30%

That is a broken shot. That’s why his TS has been league average or lower for a few years now.

Uuuhm akshually last season he was at league average ts; the 3 years before he was at +1 or + 2 and the main reason why his ts isn’t higher is that he doesn’t get to the ft line enough.

His efg actually stacks up quite nicely for a perimeter player with his usage. It’s just the very disappointing lack of never figuring out how to draw ft’s.


The first 20 games this season he’s been straight bad at efficient scoring but this is not a historical trend.

[KillahGhostface]

Quote fail, everything negated.

His jumper is definitely a historical trend, fact. eFG is negated when you can’t hit threes (on high volume at that) or get to the line.

[Red2]

We won but we gave up 123 points and took a lot of bad shots. If derrick white doesnt have a big game we could easily have lost this game. Tatum took too many deep threes where he never thought to pass. What i really want to see from this team is improvement in defense, passing and shot selection. By now tatum and brown should have learned that. Hauser didnt score but he rebounded, kept balls alive and hustled. I dont think its lost on him thT a lot of fans would love if we had kept Nesmith. Hsuser is playing a lot harder than he used to. I still love pritchard but the endless dribbling had to stop. By the time he passes half court and makes his first pass ten seconds have gone off the shot clock. Why oh why does joe continue to allow tatum or brown to bring the ball up the court? Tatum walking the ball up the court at the end of a quarter or the game is the kiss of death. Why do we continue to run iso for tatum at the end of quarters? Pass the damn ball!! Finally, I would give anything to see us run more and play faster. Horford threw a perfect long outlet pass to brown but because brown was standing there and not running to the basket, the ball sailed over brown’s head. Joe meeds to instill constant running and attacking into his guys. Watch Indiana. Haliburton always has the ball in his hands. His temTes dont F around trying to be the playmaker. I hope joe insists that holiday and white are the only guys running the show

[Riverwalk2021]

As for the second option, Porzingis is the obvious answer. He can score from anywhere at an efficient clip and has a ton of gravity. After that, it should be whomever is in the flow of the game best. It could be Brown, White or Holiday.

I will say Brown has shown real flashes of playing more team ball. Yesterday he fired a few nice passes from inside the paint to open shooters. Let’s hope that becomes a consistent theme moving forward. It’s consistency that matters but he seems to be building towards good habits. Cleveland and the Magic who bring top defenses should be a good test for him.

[Riverwalk2021]

That one-handed semi pass turnover he had though after dribbling it up was horrific though. You knew that was coming loll