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Official Shohei Ohtani Thread (Update: Ohtani signs with Dodgers 10 years, $700 million)

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Re: Official Shohei Ohtani Thread 

Post#201 » by WuTang_OG » Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:59 am

In the end, of course, it is always about money—and in this case more than any ever handed to an athlete: $700 million over 10 years. But it was Ohtani who told his agent, Nez Balelo, to craft a deal with so much deferred money that it would reduce the Dodgers’ hit toward their competitive tax rate.

In that way, Ohtani told his agent, the contract would not prevent the Dodgers from continuing to compete for the postseason every year. Ohtani suggested he defer more than half the $700 million at below-market interest rates. The math still needs to be done by the commissioner’s office and the players association, but the annual present-day value against the CBT could be about $50 million at the lowest, but probably higher, according to a rival club executive.


The contract numbers solve two needs: Balelo and Ohtani get the bragging rights of leapfrogging Lionel Messi for the largest contract signed by an athlete, and the Dodgers get a player for about $50 million a year who can return as much as $25 million a year in ancillary income and brand value, according to the owner of a rival team.

“It ends up like a lot of these high-profile deals,” says an executive from a team in the early Ohtani sweepstakes. “The final number is the bright, shiny object. It’s how you get to those numbers—the details of it—that matter.

“This is where everybody thought it was going to wind up all along. The Dodgers were in him since high school. It’s the same city [as the Angels]. Teams felt all along they did not want to play the role of the stalking horse. The Dodgers’ M.O. has always been that they don’t move until they have to. I guess the ‘plane ride’ worked.”


https://www.si.com/mlb/2023/12/09/dodgers-decade-long-pursuit-shohei-ohtani-finally-comes-through
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Re: Official Shohei Ohtani Thread 

Post#202 » by Brinbe » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:06 am

Ultimately, they got used as leverage. And this will sting for a good long while.

FO gonna have to perform a lot of heroic feats over the next weeks/months to get this fanbase back on-side and even then it'll take some actual postseason success to get people excited at this point.

Curious to see what they do next after this.
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Re: Official Shohei Ohtani Thread 

Post#203 » by Cyrus » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:34 am

Almost think they should not overpay anyone this year, or sign someone to big 1 year contract, and try to go after Soto and FAs next year. No one that's bat excites me this off season that remains.

Like I don't even mind if we give Tecscor 1 year like30 mill deal, like overpay on the salary, but not the term, and reset for next year.

To think if there was no DH, there is a good possibility he's not dodger today and instead a jays, or atleast not in the national league.
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Post#204 » by rapstarter » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:35 am

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duppyy wrote:Yamamoto or die trying?

They aren’t gonna win a bidding war with Cohen, nor realistically should they even be trying.


They should still just do it so they can claim it's not them, it's the Japanese who hate us.
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Post#205 » by rapstarter » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:36 am

Cyrus wrote:Almost think they should not overpay anyone this year, or sign someone to big 1 year contract, and try to go after Soto and FAs next year. No one that's bat excites me this off season that remains.

Like I don't even mind if we give Tecscor 1 year like30 mill deal, like overpay on the salary, but not the term, and reset for next year.


Next year, we'll be one year closer to Vladdy and Bitchette pulling an Ohtani on us.
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Post#206 » by Cyrus » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:38 am

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Cyrus wrote:Almost think they should not overpay anyone this year, or sign someone to big 1 year contract, and try to go after Soto and FAs next year. No one that's bat excites me this off season that remains.

Like I don't even mind if we give Tecscor 1 year like30 mill deal, like overpay on the salary, but not the term, and reset for next year.


Next year, we'll be one year closer to Vladdy and Bitchette pulling an Ohtani on us.


Potentially, but it doesn't mean you should go out and overpay medicore players that in this market. By far the value is pitching market vs. the hitters, like when Chapman is like the 5th best ranked overall positional player, you know that class is weak.
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Post#207 » by SharoneWright » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:41 am

Brinbe wrote:Ultimately, they got used as leverage. And this will sting for a good long while.

FO gonna have to perform a lot of heroic feats over the next weeks/months to get this fanbase back on-side and even then it'll take some actual postseason success to get people excited at this point.

Curious to see what they do next after this.


First thing I'd do is extend both Vlad and Bo for 3 more years. IE buy out Vlad's last 2 years of control and rip up Bo's last deal and start each with 5 year deals. The money is there, and we only have a little bit of bargaining power left with only 2 years left before the both hit free agency.

I think now you have to consider trading Manoah. It's too bad too, because apparently he's working and I think he would have bought back in big time if Ohtani had come. Probably for a young-ish left-handed left fielder: Moniak, Melendez, Reynolds, Nootbar,, whoever we are highest on internally.

Unfortunately, we might need to hang on to Springer now. We need outfielders and need wins this year with the renovations being done. Team probably values him this year over prospects, which is what we could have tried to trade him for. Of course he's on the block if we could get any real value.

I'd offer Kikuchi an extra year. (He probably balks at this, but I'd ask nicely)

I'd bring Merrifield back for 2 years as a lefty 4th outfielder.

Jansen needs to get done. (Should have been done the day before we traded Moreno...)

It's cheesy, but I wouldn't hate Votto for the minimum to spell Vladdy at first.

I can't think of anything flashy though. Really need that left fielder, and it would have been nice to parlay Springer's money into something younger or more left-handed....

Edit: Do NOT trade Tiedemann for almost anything. Ohtani would have pushed our timeline up to now,, but without him we need to extend the horizon and keep our best youth for medium and longterm success.
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Post#208 » by mintsa » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:42 am

We need to lock up Bo and Vlad now. Can’t let it get to the end of next season.

They’re our guys/homegrown and probably the best players/most high profile guys we can get. Gotta keep him or it’s no name land after that.
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Post#209 » by RalphWiggum » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:16 am

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Yep, almost identical it turned out although this was many times worse due to yesterday afternoon.

His agent certainly did an amazing job playing Rogers off to get 700M out of LAD.


I realize a hundred million more dollars is nothing to sneeze but at the end of the day does it matter to somebody like Ohtani? He'll probably make close to that in endorsements alone over the next decade. The man is basically a God back in Japan. The Dodgers could've stuck to their guns at let's say 55 million and he was still signing there. The only thing I'm upset about is the organization looking like fools again.

Over the last 4-5 days I raised my chances of landing him from 1% to 5% but in the back of my head I always knew he was going to end up a Dodger.

The extra 100 millions dollars matters to Ohtani's agent, and his final commission. Ohtani wants his agent to get the Maximum Best Deal possible, and I applaud his agent for using the Jays as Leverage to get that extra 100 million from the Dodgers. The Dodgers could have held their guns, but his agent knew they would fold and cough up more money, with the rumours going around how Ohtani was likely to sign with the Jays. Brilliant job by Ohtani's agent.
Ohtani's agent didn't decide where he landed, Ohtani did.

I don't want to be rude but you're beyond naive if you think a player of Ohtani's stature got guided towards a city he wasn't 100% in on because it netted his agent an extra 5 million.
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Re: Official Shohei Ohtani Thread 

Post#210 » by Michael Bradley » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:17 am

Not surprising to see him go to the Dodgers, but a bit disappointing after Friday when it felt like the Jays actually had a chance. Morosi's days of posting fake rumors for clicks is probably on hold for a while after this.
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Post#211 » by SharoneWright » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:32 am

We play Ohtani and the LAD April 26-28 at home.
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Post#212 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:44 am

I wouldn’t be extending Vlad at all after the last 2 seasons he’s had (particularly the most recent one when he effectively became the worst defensive player in the league and forgot how to pull flyballs). He’s gonna have to prove that he’s the level of player you give big money to and he hasn’t done that whatsover.
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Post#213 » by SharoneWright » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:48 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:I wouldn’t be extending Vlad at all after the last 2 seasons he’s had (particularly the most recent one when he effectively became the worst defensive player in the league and forgot how to pull flyballs). He’s gonna have to prove that he’s the level of player you give big money to and he hasn’t done that whatsover.


Price is undetermined. But he's all we got. Carries big risk/reward potential. But we literally NEED to make that gamble if we can shave AAV off years 3-5. Plus it will marketed as a success this offseason. Casuals (some diehards) own his jersey.
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Post#214 » by RalphWiggum » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:03 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:I wouldn’t be extending Vlad at all after the last 2 seasons he’s had (particularly the most recent one when he effectively became the worst defensive player in the league and forgot how to pull flyballs). He’s gonna have to prove that he’s the level of player you give big money to and he hasn’t done that whatsover.
Then you trade him for 80¢ on the dollar?
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Post#215 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:04 am

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Randle McMurphy wrote:I wouldn’t be extending Vlad at all after the last 2 seasons he’s had (particularly the most recent one when he effectively became the worst defensive player in the league and forgot how to pull flyballs). He’s gonna have to prove that he’s the level of player you give big money to and he hasn’t done that whatsover.


Price is undetermined. But he's all we got. Carries big risk/reward potential. But we literally NEED to make that gamble if we can shave AAV off years 3-5. Plus it will marketed as a success this offseason. Casuals (some diehards) own his jersey.

I understand the argument to do it at this time, I just wouldn’t. I don’t trust him going forward.
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Post#216 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:06 am

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Randle McMurphy wrote:I wouldn’t be extending Vlad at all after the last 2 seasons he’s had (particularly the most recent one when he effectively became the worst defensive player in the league and forgot how to pull flyballs). He’s gonna have to prove that he’s the level of player you give big money to and he hasn’t done that whatsover.
Then you trade him for 80¢ on the dollar?

Not saying that either, but I’d be much more inclined to do that than extending him for sure.
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Post#217 » by RalphWiggum » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:12 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
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Randle McMurphy wrote:I wouldn’t be extending Vlad at all after the last 2 seasons he’s had (particularly the most recent one when he effectively became the worst defensive player in the league and forgot how to pull flyballs). He’s gonna have to prove that he’s the level of player you give big money to and he hasn’t done that whatsover.
Then you trade him for 80¢ on the dollar?

Not saying that either, but I’d be much more inclined to do that than extending him for sure.
Well we gotta make a choice?
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Post#218 » by rarefind » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:20 am

RalphWiggum wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
RalphWiggum wrote:Then you trade him for 80¢ on the dollar?

Not saying that either, but I’d be much more inclined to do that than extending him for sure.
Well we gotta make a choice?


He absolutely cannot walk as a FA. We either have to take the gamble and extend him or trade him.
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Post#219 » by WuTang_OG » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:21 am

RalphWiggum wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
RalphWiggum wrote:Then you trade him for 80¢ on the dollar?

Not saying that either, but I’d be much more inclined to do that than extending him for sure.
Well we gotta make a choice?

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Post#220 » by Mehar » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:41 am

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I realize a hundred million more dollars is nothing to sneeze but at the end of the day does it matter to somebody like Ohtani? He'll probably make close to that in endorsements alone over the next decade. The man is basically a God back in Japan. The Dodgers could've stuck to their guns at let's say 55 million and he was still signing there. The only thing I'm upset about is the organization looking like fools again.

Over the last 4-5 days I raised my chances of landing him from 1% to 5% but in the back of my head I always knew he was going to end up a Dodger.

The extra 100 millions dollars matters to Ohtani's agent, and his final commission. Ohtani wants his agent to get the Maximum Best Deal possible, and I applaud his agent for using the Jays as Leverage to get that extra 100 million from the Dodgers. The Dodgers could have held their guns, but his agent knew they would fold and cough up more money, with the rumours going around how Ohtani was likely to sign with the Jays. Brilliant job by Ohtani's agent.
Ohtani's agent didn't decide where he landed, Ohtani did.

I don't want to be rude but you're beyond naive if you think a player of Ohtani's stature got guided towards a city he wasn't 100% in on because it netted his agent an extra 5 million.

Of course I agree. Like I mentioned in my other posts, to me the Dodgers were always the favourite to land him since Ohtani loves living in Newport Beach/Southern California and playing home games on West Coast Time. However, it is also naive to say that the Jays were not used as Leverage for the Dodgers to raise their offer to 700 million over 10 years.

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