Bears 2023 thread V

dice · Post #1701 » by **dice** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:09 am

NYT playoff chances, 3 spots available, 1 going to south winner:

69% pack
62% falcons
51% vikings
41% rams
33% bucs
23% seahawks
18% saints
4% bears

<1% giants. wash., cards

highly optimistic for the bears given that their chances of going 9-8 are under 3%, but hey

Bandit King · Post #1702 » by **Bandit King** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:29 am

I miss the Justin Fields that ran for 200 yards a game. That was superstar MVP Fields. Now he run for 50 yards , with a fumble and 2 ints.

Bandit King · Post #1703 » by **Bandit King** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:30 am

dice wrote:NYT playoff chances, 3 spots available, 1 going to south winner:

69% pack
62% falcons
51% vikings
41% rams
33% bucs
23% seahawks
18% saints
4% bears

<1% giants. wash., cards

highly optimistic for the bears given that their chances of going 9-8 are under 3%, but hey

Don't give me hope!!!

panthermark · Post #1704 » by **panthermark** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:51 am

Who is the HC next year?
Who is the OC next year?

I would assume that if Fields goes, everyone goes. Don’t take a QB with a lame duck staff.

HearshotKDS · Post #1705 » by **HearshotKDS** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:58 am

dice wrote:
Chi town wrote:
dice wrote:again, you need both on the field 75% of the time for it to make sense. and no team is doing anything approaching that

Yes they will. Bowers will be lining up at Slot WR all the time.

kelce lines up as a WR on most plays. they still don't pair him with another TE that much. it would be a unicorn scenario for the bears to draft bowers and keep kmet. do you expect the chicago bears to have an innovative offense anytime soon?

A big part of that though is KCs 2nd TE is Noah Gray not Cole Kmet. I see Bowers a lot like Bijan Robinson in the last draft - a nice luxury Bears just cant afford to take. But KCs use of 2 TE doesnt have anything to do with the price of tea in China when it comes to the Bears - if KC was to somehow get a 2nd top 10 TE on their roster they would run a ton of 12. Granted, at risk of going in circles, theres a reason they dont/wont and that gets back to it being a luxury that probably has the resources better spent elsewhere.

dice · Post #1706 » by **dice** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:44 am

PFF top 4 2023 receivers after bears last game:

hill
AJ brown
lamb
DJ (1 drop on season)

dice · Post #1707 » by **dice** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:48 am

HearshotKDS wrote:
dice wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Yes they will. Bowers will be lining up at Slot WR all the time.

kelce lines up as a WR on most plays. they still don't pair him with another TE that much. it would be a unicorn scenario for the bears to draft bowers and keep kmet. do you expect the chicago bears to have an innovative offense anytime soon?

A big part of that though is KCs 2nd TE is Noah Gray not Cole Kmet.

good point, but their only quality receiver has been a 2nd round rookie. w/ kelce at WR a standard formation would still include another TE rather than kelce and THREE other receivers

Dresden · Post #1708 » by **Dresden** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:48 am

I think the difference between taking Bowers and taking Bijan is that we already were running the ball very well without Bijan, and we did in fact sign Donta and then drafted Roschon. Whereas the passing game is by far our weakest area, and Bowers would help to address that. He would significantly upgrade our receiving corps, if he's as good as everyone is saying he is.

Chi town · Post #1709 » by **Chi town** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:30 am

After watching more tape I think Jayden Daniels is what we all wanted Fields to be.

1. He’s a better runner than Fields and is more elusive and has a higher gear for breakaway speed. I don’t like how he tucks and runs and doesn’t look to pass when he takes off enough.

2. Like Fields he stands in the pocket and can take a hit and deliver a great ball. He doesn’t is much quicker in his read and more decisive.

3. Daniels ANTICIPATES! Fields biggest weakness. You can also see how he manipulates defenses with his eyes to open throwing lanes. He’s really good out of the pocket like this. It’s like he is one step ahead.

4. He’s calm and patient in the pocket. He doesn’t get happy feet.

Biggest concern is his slight frame. Will his body hold up? Fields has taken lots of hits and missed games. Fields also tries to do too much. Daniels has a good balance of trying to make something happen and taking what’s there.

I think Daniels goes as the 2nd QB off the board. I still take CW over him but if Poles moved back for a haul and took him I’d be excited. Think he can win games as a rookie. He has that stroud vibe of co Finance and football IQ. Plays free.

Chi town · Post #1710 » by **Chi town** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:32 am

https://youtu.be/61NpouYvhNE?si=nFHHiL7KwQ5PC7P_

Mindcrime · Post #1711 » by **Mindcrime** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 12:33 pm

Imagine going full LSU at draft night - trading down going with Nabers and Daniels in the 1st :winkgrin:

Almost Retired · Post #1712 » by **Almost Retired** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:33 pm

Mindcrime wrote:Imagine going full LSU at draft night - trading down going with Nabers and Daniels in the 1st

I think that would be a fantastic outcome. You know the Patriots are taking a QB, either Caleb or Maye. Arizona probably trades down or takes Harrison. Washington isn't taking a QB. The Jets and Giants would probably go with a QB. Tampa and Vegas probably would go QB. We could "auction" off the top pick for a good haul of course including that team's FRP in 2024. Use our own pick on Daniels and the trade down FRP on Nabors. They have tremendous chemistry. I had not watched a full LSU game this year. The highlight film really shows how Daniels makes pro-level throws with anticipation and accuracy. The kid can add some weight. That's easy. He's got all the other tools. Amazingly deceptive in the open field. You can see him going through the route progressions with his feet adjusting pretty quickly. I don't think his transition would take all that long considering he would be going to a team on the rise. And that saves us a ton of cap space to keep improving through free agency as well as the draft.

Chi town · Post #1713 » by **Chi town** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:20 pm

Mindcrime wrote:Imagine going full LSU at draft night - trading down going with Nabers and Daniels in the 1st

I’ve def thought about it.

I think JD goes top 3 though. Could still get some assets to move 1-3.

We have seen what Burrow Chase chemistry has done from day one. Nabors makes the most sense if Bowwrs and MHJ are gone.

Chi town · Post #1714 » by **Chi town** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:20 pm

panthermark wrote:Who is the HC next year?
Who is the OC next year?

I would assume that if Fields goes, everyone goes. Don’t take a QB with a lame duck staff.

Ryan Day or Ben Johnson have been thrown out there. Harbaugh looks to be headed back to Michigan.

Post #1715 » by **fleet** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:36 pm

panthermark wrote:Who is the HC next year?
Who is the OC next year?

I would assume that if Fields goes, everyone goes. Don’t take a QB with a lame duck staff.

Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

El Ridda · Post #1716 » by **El Ridda** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:44 pm

fleet wrote:
panthermark wrote:Who is the HC next year?
Who is the OC next year?

I would assume that if Fields goes, everyone goes. Don’t take a QB with a lame duck staff.

Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback.. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

Chi town · Post #1717 » by **Chi town** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:57 pm

El Ridda wrote:
fleet wrote:
panthermark wrote:Who is the HC next year?
Who is the OC next year?

I would assume that if Fields goes, everyone goes. Don’t take a QB with a lame duck staff.

Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback.. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

Yep. All reports are Poles stays and coaches are gone. Have to let new coach pick the QB.

The INEPTNESS from this staff has been embarrassing.

Jcool0 · Post #1718 » by **Jcool0** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:30 pm

Chi town wrote:
El Ridda wrote:
fleet wrote:Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback.. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

Yep. All reports are Poles stays and coaches are gone. Have to let new coach pick the QB.

The INEPTNESS from this staff has been embarrassing.

We have seen this before in the NFL the GM stays until the feedback they get from the candidates is they would prefer a new GM and then he gets fired.

Dresden · Post #1719 » by **Dresden** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:00 pm

dice wrote:PFF top 4 2023 receivers after bears last game:

hill
AJ brown
lamb
DJ (1 drop on season)

How is this measured? There was a lot of debate here last offseason as to whether or not DJ was really a WR1 or not.

Post #1720 » by **fleet** » Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:14 pm

If DJ is a top tier #1 (at least in advanced stats), the Bears ought to be able to have an elite fuctioning WR room with Nabors or Odunze (or Bowers) quite easily. All they need is the gunslinger.

But yeah, how is that measured? Fields basically just locks onto DJ for the entire game. The OC schemes around shorter routes and other receivers blocking (lately) to spring DJ for YAC. Not sure how that is accounted for when a receiver is a one man offense. In the quarterback and OC’s defense, there hasn't been much in terms of true secondary targets.