Bears 2023 thread V

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Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback.. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

Yep. All reports are Poles stays and coaches are gone. Have to let new coach pick the QB.

The INEPTNESS from this staff has been embarrassing.

Poles understands that the roster has limited what the coaching staff can run, and succeed with. The O-line has been decimated all season. The quarterback largely inconsitent, and often dysfunctional. Receiving room, nuff said. Getsy looked pretty competant in Green Bay when he had a quarterback representing some of his work. Enough to get promoted in Chicago anyway. Poles has a contextual outlook on all this I am sure. We should assume Poles liked his hirings, and we have seen that demonstrated outwardly. If Warren agrees with Poles, or is letting Poles make the call, I have questions if new faces arrive. If the Bears keep losing though, that's another story perhaps.

[Almost Retired]

If DJ is a top tier #1 (at least in advanced stats), the Bears ought to be able to have an elite fuctioning WR room with Nabors or Odunze (or Bowers) quite easily. All they need is the gunslinger.

But yeah, how is that measured? Fields basically just locks onto DJ for the entire game. The OC schemes around shorter routes and other receivers blocking (lately) to spring DJ for YAC. Not sure how that is accounted for when a receiver is a one man offense. In the quarterback and OC’s defense, there hasn't been much in terms of true secondary targets

Some things the Daniel's Stats and highlight films show is that the kid looks to throw downfield. Led College Football in big plays > 20 yards: 70 passing and 20 running. He's not looking to dink and doink for 3 yard pick ups. He goes through his progressions. He spreads the ball around. And he makes big time pro-level passes into relatively tough coverage. And he's been through the SEC crucible. He won't last much past our own pick and that's if we stay @ pick #5. I think he's the 3rd QB taken in the top 6 picks.

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[Dresden]

Who is the HC next year?
Who is the OC next year?

I would assume that if Fields goes, everyone goes. Don’t take a QB with a lame duck staff.

Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback.. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

I would be too. Especially Getsy. I don't think they take the risk of him not meshing with or having difficulty adjusting to another QB. There's an argument for Flus, based on how well the D has come around. But the offense has been stuck in first gear for two years now. It wouldn't surprise me if they go to the college ranks either to get their next coach or OC, and if that person doesn't give them some direction on which QB they'd prefer to coach or they think would be the best fit.

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All good points and helps me have hope they’ll make the right call and not just make an emotional decision.

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If DJ is a top tier #1 (at least in advanced stats), the Bears ought to be able to have an elite fuctioning WR room with Nabors or Odunze (or Bowers) quite easily. All they need is the gunslinger.

But yeah, how is that measured? Fields basically just locks onto DJ for the entire game. The OC schemes around shorter routes and other receivers blocking (lately) to spring DJ for YAC. Not sure how that is accounted for when a receiver is a one man offense. In the quarterback and OC’s defense, there hasn't been much in terms of true secondary targets

Some things the Daniel's Stats and highlight films show is that the kid looks to throw downfield. Led College Football in big plays > 20 yards: 70 passing and 20 running. He's not looking to dink and doink for 3 yard pick ups. He goes through his progressions. He spreads the ball around. And he makes big time pro-level passes into relatively tough coverage. And he's been through the SEC crucible. He won't last much past our own pick and that's if we stay @ pick #5. I think he's the 3rd QB taken in the top 6 picks.

He can be our Jordan Love of the SEC!

It’s going to take me some time to warm up to him. He started the year as a third or fourth round prospect IIRC. I’ll be cautiously optimistic if the Bears took Williams, but he scares me. Maye feels like a warm blanket. I would love a Daniels option to emerge to allow the Bears to take MHJ, only because Williams scares me. But the Bears need arguably the top quarterback prospect in the draft. And the receiver can come later with this draft. I’ll need Daniels’ stock to sidle up to Maye.

[El Ridda]

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

Yep. All reports are Poles stays and coaches are gone. Have to let new coach pick the QB.

The INEPTNESS from this staff has been embarrassing.

Poles understands that the roster has limited what the coaching staff can run, and succeed with. The O-line has been decimated all season. The quarterback largely inconsitent, and often dysfunctional. Receiving room, nuff said. Getsy looked pretty competant in Green Bay when he had a quarterback representing some of his work. Enough to get promoted in Chicago anyway. Poles has a contextual outlook on all this I am sure. We should assume Poles liked his hirings, and we have seen that demonstrated outwardly. If Warren agrees with Poles, or is letting Poles make the call, I have questions if new faces arrive. If the Bears keep losing though, that's another story perhaps.

If the coaching issues were based on just the overall game planning limitations due to talent I’d agree. But when you add in the penalties, disorganization and poor late game decision making I just don’t see how poles keeps this crew- especially given the limited cost of letting them go. It’s not like the bears will be eating crazy money or years by moving on after two years.

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Yep. All reports are Poles stays and coaches are gone. Have to let new coach pick the QB.

The INEPTNESS from this staff has been embarrassing.

Poles understands that the roster has limited what the coaching staff can run, and succeed with. The O-line has been decimated all season. The quarterback largely inconsitent, and often dysfunctional. Receiving room, nuff said. Getsy looked pretty competant in Green Bay when he had a quarterback representing some of his work. Enough to get promoted in Chicago anyway. Poles has a contextual outlook on all this I am sure. We should assume Poles liked his hirings, and we have seen that demonstrated outwardly. If Warren agrees with Poles, or is letting Poles make the call, I have questions if new faces arrive. If the Bears keep losing though, that's another story perhaps.

If the coaching issues were based on just the overall game planning limitations due to talent I’d agree. But when you add in the penalties, disorganization and poor late game decision making I just don’t see how poles keeps this crew- especially given the limited cost of letting them go. It’s not like the bears will be eating crazy money or years by moving on after two years.

The O-line penalties have been disturbing for sure. WTF. They’re young, I think we expect some of that. But still. Eberflus has been off on some of his calls, the weird reluctance to take advantage of the tush push for example. And he has extremely poor feel for using the challenge flag and timeouts. Yeah IDK. Eberflus has gotten better in some ways. But why wasn’t he better out of the blocks?

[Dresden]

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17 4th quarter to's over the past 3 years. tied for the most in the NFL. I think that is the result of one of Fields' biggest weaknesses- he doesn't have good pocket awareness to know when he's about to get hit, and he doesn't pro-actively move around in the pocket effectively to avoid those hits.

And it's also the result of his other big weakness- holding onto the ball too long, and failing to know where to throw the ball, or being able to throw guys open.

I just don't see a lot of improvement in those areas from him that would suggest he's able to learn those things.

[El Ridda]

Short of Jim Harbaugh, Bieniemy or something like a Tomlin, and the Bears win a couple of these final games, don’t be surprised if Eberflus and/or Getsy stay, and they coach a new quarterback.. All that matters is Poles and Warren. Media and fans can hate the coaches forever, it doesn’t matter. I get it, the fanbase and media hate Flus/Getsy with the heat of a thousand white hot suns. The next unproven OC or DC being hired to be promoted to coach the Bears isn’t necessarily a better idea than carrying forward what they have now. The Bears win some of these games down the stretch, watch out for the organizational continuity/stability.

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

I would be too. Especially Getsy. I don't think they take the risk of him not meshing with or having difficulty adjusting to another QB. There's an argument for Flus, based on how well the D has come around. But the offense has been stuck in first gear for two years now. It wouldn't surprise me if they go to the college ranks either to get their next coach or OC, and if that person doesn't give them some direction on which QB they'd prefer to coach or they think would be the best fit.

Let’s be real- Flus is as good as gone too and should be. Yes, the D has made great progress- but that’s just going from horrible to pretty good for a brief spell. It’s not like they’ve morphed into the 85 bears all of a sudden. And while Flus should get credit for some of that improvement, the problem is his role is HC, coordinator.

Bears fans deserve better. Mediocrity is not good enough. I think Poles gets it and has been plenty patient. These guys are toast.

[Dresden]

The problem I see with trying to take a QB with our own pick is that we just have no way of knowing that some other team won't take that player ahead of us. If the Bears are picking 7-8th, that leaves at least 3 or 4 spots that won't be used up by Maye, Caleb, or MHJ. A QB hungry team could trade up into one of those spots and nab Daniels. And then we'd be stuck with our 4th rated QB, whoever that is.

The only way this works is if we trade back from #1 to a safe spot, like #4, and then take Daniels there. I think that's a long shot.

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My take: This report reinforces the vibe that they are going to move on.

[Dresden]

I think it’s too far gone… I’d be shocked if they are back.

I would be too. Especially Getsy. I don't think they take the risk of him not meshing with or having difficulty adjusting to another QB. There's an argument for Flus, based on how well the D has come around. But the offense has been stuck in first gear for two years now. It wouldn't surprise me if they go to the college ranks either to get their next coach or OC, and if that person doesn't give them some direction on which QB they'd prefer to coach or they think would be the best fit.

Let’s be real- Flus is as good as gone too and should be. Yes, the D has made great progress- but that’s just going from horrible to pretty good for a brief spell. It’s not like they’ve morphed into the 85 bears all of a sudden. And while Flus should get credit for some of that improvement, the problem is his role is HC, coordinator.

Bears fans deserve better. Mediocrity is not good enough. I think Poles gets it and has been plenty patient. These guys are toast.

I whole heartedly agree. You're bringing in a new QB, it's a new era, you want to expunge as much of the previous regime as possible. Give the fans a brand new coaching staff and a new outlook. Enough of the FITS BS, which always sounded high schoolish to me. Start fresh.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

So those who have moved on from Fields to Caleb have now moved on from Caleb to Daniel’s?

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So those who have moved on from Fields to Caleb have now moved on from Caleb to Daniel’s?

Maye
Williams
Fields/Field

[chitownsports4ever]

I would be too. Especially Getsy. I don't think they take the risk of him not meshing with or having difficulty adjusting to another QB. There's an argument for Flus, based on how well the D has come around. But the offense has been stuck in first gear for two years now. It wouldn't surprise me if they go to the college ranks either to get their next coach or OC, and if that person doesn't give them some direction on which QB they'd prefer to coach or they think would be the best fit.

Let’s be real- Flus is as good as gone too and should be. Yes, the D has made great progress- but that’s just going from horrible to pretty good for a brief spell. It’s not like they’ve morphed into the 85 bears all of a sudden. And while Flus should get credit for some of that improvement, the problem is his role is HC, coordinator.

Bears fans deserve better. Mediocrity is not good enough. I think Poles gets it and has been plenty patient. These guys are toast.

I whole heartedly agree. You're bringing in a new QB, it's a new era, you want to expunge as much of the previous regime as possible. Give the fans a brand new coaching staff and a new outlook. Enough of the FITS BS, which always sounded high schoolish to me. Start fresh.

Except Poles should go too then .

Flus and Getsy have the same excuses as Poles when all the blames is tossed on Fields so you can justify getting a new qb.

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My take: This report reinforces the vibe that they are going to move on.

And 35 fumbles 35 games

The turnovers are a feature, no team wants to go forward with an anchor like that if they have other cheaper options. I don’t doubt that Poles is still open to persuasion though. That’s the incredibly frustrating part of almost all of this. The uncertainly that doesn’t allow anyone to thoughtfully move into a certain course direction.

[Dresden]

So those who have moved on from Fields to Caleb have now moved on from Caleb to Daniel’s?

Not me. But he is worth looking into. I really don't know much about him, other than seeing his highlights, which are amazing. Esp. his running- he doesn't look like he's running hard, but somehow defenders can't seem to catch up to him. But overall, I am in favor of taking whichever QB we deem to be the best with the CAR pick. Right now, I'm in the Caleb camp, although I'm not strongly in favor of Caleb over Maye. I can see why people like Maye. I think either one will be in the league for a long time, and will be two of the better QB's in the league in a few years. So it's like choosing between MJ and Hakeem to me. I don't think you can go wrong with either.

Daniels, I worry about his frame a bit, and the fact that he's just come onto the radar recently. He hasn't been as good for as long as some of the others, which makes me worry that his success may not be sustainable. But he sure looks good on film.

[Dresden]

Let’s be real- Flus is as good as gone too and should be. Yes, the D has made great progress- but that’s just going from horrible to pretty good for a brief spell. It’s not like they’ve morphed into the 85 bears all of a sudden. And while Flus should get credit for some of that improvement, the problem is his role is HC, coordinator.

Bears fans deserve better. Mediocrity is not good enough. I think Poles gets it and has been plenty patient. These guys are toast.

I whole heartedly agree. You're bringing in a new QB, it's a new era, you want to expunge as much of the previous regime as possible. Give the fans a brand new coaching staff and a new outlook. Enough of the FITS BS, which always sounded high schoolish to me. Start fresh.

Except Poles should go too then .

Flus and Getsy have the same excuses as Poles when all the blames is tossed on Fields so you can justify getting a new qb.

No, I don't buy that, because Poles has done some really good things here, whereas you can't point to much of anything that the coaches have done that has been positive.

Poles made the move that will get us Caleb/Maye next year, and got us a true WR1 in the process. He's done a good job drafting overall. He added a couple of good EDGE rushers, esp. Sweat. And overall, I think he's got the Bears in a very good position to take a big leap ahead once we get the QB sorted out. So I think he deserves a chance to pick his own coach and his own QB.

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My take: This report reinforces the vibe that they are going to move on.

And 35 fumbles 35 games

The turnovers are a feature, no team wants to go forward with an anchor like that if they have other cheaper options. I don’t doubt that Poles is still open to persuasion though. That’s the incredibly frustrating part of almost all of this. The uncertainly that doesn’t allow anyone to thoughtfully move into a certain course direction.

Well, they aren't going to make an announcement to the press that they've decided to move on from Fields or Flus at this point. I believe they have made up their minds already though, and it's up to Fields/Flus to give them a reason to reconsider over these next 5 games.