Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[Domejandro]

I don't know if trading Kyle Anderson is a good idea, it's a tough call. On one hand, Troy Brown Jr. breaking out might make filling his minutes less brutal, but on the flip-side, he is so important as connective tissue for both Minnesota's offense and defense.

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As someone who appreciates Tyus Jones a lot, I would love having him back on Minnesota, but trading Kyle Anderson for him would be pretty scary.

Regarding Tyus defense.

I've read one post of WAS fan where he said that Tyus is particularly exposed against backdoor cuts and when opponent just passes the ball over him. I really like Tyus, I have been his supporter since day one. But his contract situation scares me. If we trade for him, how we can resign him?

If Minnesota trades for him, they could use his Bird Rights to sign him over the cap.

[andyhop]

I don't know if trading Kyle Anderson is a good idea, it's a tough call. On one hand, Troy Brown Jr. breaking out might make filling his minutes less brutal, but on the flip-side, he is so important as connective tissue for both Minnesota's offense and defense.

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As someone who appreciates Tyus Jones a lot, I would love having him back on Minnesota, but trading Kyle Anderson for him would be pretty scary.

Regarding Tyus defense.

I've read one post of WAS fan where he said that Tyus is particularly exposed against backdoor cuts and when opponent just passes the ball over him. I really like Tyus, I have been his supporter since day one. But his contract situation scares me. If we trade for him, how we can resign him?

If Minnesota trades for him, they could use his Bird Rights to sign him over the cap.

That assumes a bottomless purse which is fairly unlikely

[winforlose]

Regarding Tyus defense.

I've read one post of WAS fan where he said that Tyus is particularly exposed against backdoor cuts and when opponent just passes the ball over him. I really like Tyus, I have been his supporter since day one. But his contract situation scares me. If we trade for him, how we can resign him?

If Minnesota trades for him, they could use his Bird Rights to sign him over the cap.

That assumes a bottomless purse which is fairly unlikely

Not necessarily. What you assume is that Mike takes a 15-15 or 16-16 deal to stay. Tyus takes 10 or so (a haircut,) to play championship ball with his home team. Tyus also hopes that after Mike retires he gets a pay raise (as the main PG for the Ant window.) This requires a bit of faith and sacrifice by Tyus, but again we are his home state, and the Wolves would be trying to get him rings. We also must assume that 24-25 and 25-26 are second apron teams. Followed by a sharp drop in payroll for 26-27.

[BlacJacMac]

To keep Kyle you must have an answer for “what do we do if Mike gets hurt?” Frankly I don’t, and I doubt most people do.

If you trade Kyle for Tyus, you have your answer.

[andyhop]

If Minnesota trades for him, they could use his Bird Rights to sign him over the cap.

That assumes a bottomless purse which is fairly unlikely

Not necessarily. What you assume is that Mike takes a 15-15 or 16-16 deal to stay. Tyus takes 10 or so (a haircut,) to play championship ball with his home team. Tyus also hopes that after Mike retires he gets a pay raise (as the main PG for the Ant window.) This requires a bit of faith and sacrifice by Tyus, but again we are his home state, and the Wolves would be trying to get him rings. We also must assume that 24-25 and 25-26 are second apron teams. Followed by a sharp drop in payroll for 26-27.

You are assuming ownership has deeper pockets than I do, I expect Kyle's replacement on the roster next year is going to be on minimum salary to minimise tax payments.

[KGdaBom]

That assumes a bottomless purse which is fairly unlikely

Not necessarily. What you assume is that Mike takes a 15-15 or 16-16 deal to stay. Tyus takes 10 or so (a haircut,) to play championship ball with his home team. Tyus also hopes that after Mike retires he gets a pay raise (as the main PG for the Ant window.) This requires a bit of faith and sacrifice by Tyus, but again we are his home state, and the Wolves would be trying to get him rings. We also must assume that 24-25 and 25-26 are second apron teams. Followed by a sharp drop in payroll for 26-27.

You are assuming ownership has deeper pockets than I do, I expect Kyle's replacement on the roster next year is going to be on minimum salary to minimise tax payments.

I would hope our ownership has deeper pockets than you Andy.

[andyhop]

Not necessarily. What you assume is that Mike takes a 15-15 or 16-16 deal to stay. Tyus takes 10 or so (a haircut,) to play championship ball with his home team. Tyus also hopes that after Mike retires he gets a pay raise (as the main PG for the Ant window.) This requires a bit of faith and sacrifice by Tyus, but again we are his home state, and the Wolves would be trying to get him rings. We also must assume that 24-25 and 25-26 are second apron teams. Followed by a sharp drop in payroll for 26-27.

You are assuming ownership has deeper pockets than I do, I expect Kyle's replacement on the roster next year is going to be on minimum salary to minimise tax payments.

I would hope our ownership has deeper pockets than you Andy.

Given they can afford to buy part of an NBA team I think you can assume that is true.

But given they are seemingly struggling to afford to buy all of the team I find it hard to believe they are going to spend without consideration of the cost.

[KGdaBom]

You are assuming ownership has deeper pockets than I do, I expect Kyle's replacement on the roster next year is going to be on minimum salary to minimise tax payments.

I would hope our ownership has deeper pockets than you Andy.

Given they can afford to buy part of an NBA team I think you can assume that is true.

But given they are seemingly struggling to afford to buy all of the team I find it hard to believe they are going to spend without consideration of the cost.

Just having fun. I knew what you meant, but I think you worded it oddly.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Tyus is clearly a good option. I doubt he is happy to play with such a bad team right now after play for the Grizz. We clearly need option as a PG back up. Mike is not young, can get injured, can get touch by ages even if i think he still have 2 or 3 good years in the tank.

[winforlose]

Tyus is clearly a good option. I doubt he is happy to play with such a bad team right now after play for the Grizz. We clearly need option as a PG back up. Mike is not young, can get injured, can get touch by ages even if i think he still have 2 or 3 good years in the tank.

In 03-04 we had Sam Cassell at 34 years old. He got hurt and we lost in the conference finals. Not all Wolves fans were old enough to remember this. But those of us who are have been waiting 20 years to get back to the WCF. We DO NOT WANT HISTORY TO REPEAT. We need a back backup PG.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Tyus is clearly a good option. I doubt he is happy to play with such a bad team right now after play for the Grizz. We clearly need option as a PG back up. Mike is not young, can get injured, can get touch by ages even if i think he still have 2 or 3 good years in the tank.

In 03-04 we had Sam Cassell at 34 years old. He got hurt and we lost in the conference finals. Not all Wolves fans were old enough to remember this. But those of us who are have been waiting 20 years to get back to the WCF. We DO NOT WANT HISTORY TO REPEAT. We need a back backup PG.

I agree. Maybe JMcL can step up and become our back up PG at least for this year. I'm afraid Milton will not pass the cut. Even if he find his shooting, he don't pass well the ball. Last option is to use Slomo at a PG but it make our offense weak.

[KGdaBom]

Tyus is clearly a good option. I doubt he is happy to play with such a bad team right now after play for the Grizz. We clearly need option as a PG back up. Mike is not young, can get injured, can get touch by ages even if i think he still have 2 or 3 good years in the tank.

In 03-04 we had Sam Cassell at 34 years old. He got hurt and we lost in the conference finals. Not all Wolves fans were old enough to remember this. But those of us who are have been waiting 20 years to get back to the WCF. We DO NOT WANT HISTORY TO REPEAT. We need a back backup PG.

Not only did Cassell get injured his backup Troy Hudson was injured. We were forced into playing our 3rd string PG Derek Freaking Martin. To me there was no doubt that was the difference in winning or losing that series. Cassell IIRC was all NBA that year.

[winforlose]

Tyus is clearly a good option. I doubt he is happy to play with such a bad team right now after play for the Grizz. We clearly need option as a PG back up. Mike is not young, can get injured, can get touch by ages even if i think he still have 2 or 3 good years in the tank.

In 03-04 we had Sam Cassell at 34 years old. He got hurt and we lost in the conference finals. Not all Wolves fans were old enough to remember this. But those of us who are have been waiting 20 years to get back to the WCF. We DO NOT WANT HISTORY TO REPEAT. We need a back backup PG.

Not only did Cassell get injured his backup Troy Hudson was injured. We were forced into playing our 3rd string PG Derek Freaking Martin. To me there was no doubt that was the difference in winning or losing that series. Cassell IIRC was all NBA that year.

NEVER AGAIN (I hope)

[Klomp]

You could say that our front office's theme for who to target are the underappreciated. We see something in a player that other team(s) do not. Guys like NAW and Brown were moved around to multiple franchises before the end of their rookie deals. Guys like Conley and Gobert didn't have their full skill sets maximized.

I know we have to figure out the values, but I think the Jones brothers are a great example of guys who are underappreciated. I'm sure there are many others too who we haven't even thought about.

[winforlose]

You could say that our front office's theme for who to target are the underappreciated. We see something in a player that other team(s) do not. Guys like NAW and Brown were moved around to multiple franchises before the end of their rookie deals. Guys like Conley and Gobert didn't have their full skill sets maximized.

I know we have to figure out the values, but I think the Jones brothers are a great example of guys who are underappreciated. I'm sure there are many others too who we haven't even thought about.

You have a point, but that isn’t the theme. The theme is defensive minded long players. Tall is nice, but wingspan clearly matters to them. Moore, Minott, Miller, and Clarke were all drafted with defense in mind. Kyle Anderson is long and defensive minded, Shake has a long reach and is a combo guard, Nix was one of ten PGs evaluated, who were 6’4-6’5 with long arms. I could go on. Defensive minded, ideally floor spacing, and long. The biggest knock on guys like JMAC and Tyus is that they aren’t especially tall. But, Mike isn’t either and as Finch said “he is really GOD DAMN IMPORTANT.”

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Size matters as opponent will look for missmatch and sometines in the game, it's happen and we give some easy bucket. But it's very limited specially when you have Rudy, Ant, Jaden, NAW playing who are really good defenders. Even KAT improve a lot this year. Mike is small , problem will appear is we put near him another small PG but Ant is big so there is no issue. And as say Troy in recent itw, Mike is the head of the snake

[Note30]

If Russell Westbrook is unhappy at the trade deadline maybe we could nab him.

He's clearly accepted a back up role and he seems to care purely about winning at this point.

[jpatrick]

I listened to a Pistons’ podcast that was released less than two weeks ago that wonders if Monte Morris is healthier than the Pistons have indicated. Apparently there have been videos released of him working out and looking good. And after the Pistons indicated he needed PRP therapy and would be out at least another 6-8 weeks, Morris posted a blue cap (meaning not true), which he quickly took down.

Even if he is out another month, If he’s healthy down the stretch, he’s by far my number one target. Can shoot it well enough to play on and off the ball. Veteran backup PG that will know his role. And knows Connelly.

[winforlose]

If Russell Westbrook is unhappy at the trade deadline maybe we could nab him.

He's clearly accepted a back up role and he seems to care purely about winning at this point.

There is a reason they call him Westbrick these days. Kinda prefer bad Shake to bad Rus just because Shake is still young and quick.

[winforlose]

I listened to a Pistons’ podcast that was released less than two weeks ago that wonders if Monte Morris is healthier than the Pistons have indicated. Apparently there have been videos released of him working out and looking good. And after the Pistons indicated he needed PRP therapy and would be out at least another 6-8 weeks, Morris posted a blue cap (meaning not true), which he quickly took down.

Even if he is out another month, If he’s healthy down the stretch, he’s by far my number one target. Can shoot it well enough to play on and off the ball. Veteran backup PG that will know his role. And knows Connelly.

As far as I know Morris still has his bird rights. Which is good. If he is bought out, we can only offer either minimum or MLE (not 100% sure how that works with CBA if we become second apron team after signing him to exemption.) either way, someone will outbid us. Therefore we would need to trade for him. We cannot 3 for one or we end up in the tax (most likely.) Instead it would need to be Kyle for him. If we move Kyle for Morris, then we could still move Shake with Moore somewhere else. The question then becomes who could we trade Shake (and or Moore,) for that replaces Kyle?

The alternative is Shake and TBJ for Morris, but I am hesitant to do that. TBJ is a great contract and is playing both sides of the ball at a high level. His defense is found money, and his 3 point shooting and general shooting is better than expectations. Kyle is struggling more with shooting and turnovers.