Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

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Both Tyus and IQ are here

[Klomp]

Forgot to add: Bones was taken out of both for not playing defense. Everyone we add or draft is taken for the defense, including Troy and NAW.

The Clippers dropped him out of the rotation in favor of James Harden. That has nothing to do with defense,

And I'm not certain, but I believe his biggest issue has been POA defense. But here, he won't be asked to do that on a regular basis, because we already have guys ahead of him.

[winforlose]

Forgot to add: Bones was taken out of both for not playing defense. Everyone we add or draft is taken for the defense, including Troy and NAW.

The Clippers dropped him out of the rotation in favor of James Harden. That has nothing to do with defense,

And I'm not certain, but I believe his biggest issue has been POA defense. But here, he won't be asked to do that on a regular basis, because we already have guys ahead of him.

Harden got the start, Rus is ahead of him in the bench rotation. I read it was defensive.

[Klomp]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

[BlacJacMac]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

I'm a huge SloMo fan, but if Jaden is healthy and TBJ is the player we've seen before last night, I'm for it.

[KGdaBom]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

Meh

[Klomp]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

Meh

I had a feeling that this would be a general sentiment of the trade...

But the interesting thing is...the appeal of Tyus Jones for many is the AST/TO ratio.

But look at this, since 2017-18:
Tyus Jones 5.66 assists per turnover
Monte Morris 4.92 assists per turnover

Not that much of a gap. Then you add on the fact that Morris is a career 39.2% 3-point shooter, while Jones is 35.9% in that time, and it becomes more interesting for me.

Ultimately, I think whatever "future PG" option will come in either at MLE money or on a rookie contract. I think Morris becomes a value option as a bridge guy for MLE money, even beyond this season. And Tyus could easily become too expensive, while also costing more assets just to match contracts.

[BlacJacMac]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

Meh

I had a feeling that this would be a general sentiment of the trade...

But the interesting thing is...the appeal of Tyus Jones for many is the AST/TO ratio.

But look at this, since 2017-18:
Tyus Jones 5.66 assists per turnover
Monte Morris 4.92 assists per turnover

Not that much of a gap. Then you add on the fact that Morris is a career 39.2% 3-point shooter, while Jones is 35.9% in that time, and it becomes more interesting for me.

Ultimately, I think whatever "future PG" option will come in either at MLE money or on a rookie contract. I think Morris becomes a value option as a bridge guy for MLE money, even beyond this season. And Tyus could easily become too expensive, while also costing more assets just to match contracts.

And incredibly consistent. Every single year of his career.

2018-19: 49/44/80
2019-20: 46/38/84
2020-21: 48/38/84
2021-22: 48/40/80
2022-23: 48/38/83

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This is a trade I've been thinking about for a while...

Shake Milton and Wendell Moore for Bones Hyland and Mason Plumlee

Why for the Clippers? Financials. Trade away two guys who are largely out of their rotation to get guys who are more cap-friendly in 2024-25 for their large tax bill. If either produces on the court, it's a bonus. Though I would somewhat feel bad for Shake, sending him to where he'll be Harden's backup once again.

Why for Timberwolves? Getting a look in our system at two guys Connelly has familiarity with. We've hashed out the plusses and minuses of Bones to death, but I also like adding Mason, as I think he would give Finch a more playable fourth big in case of emergency. Right now we go to Kyle when needed, but there are some matchups where you need a truer big. The trade also helps our books a little in the long run.

Interesting!

I have the same concerns about Bones Hyland that others have mentioned, and I heard he was disruptive on and off the court for the Nuggets, even when they were winning. However, he is a decent upside play if we need a scorer, and I will trust Tim Connelly knows better than me. As for Miles Plumlee, I’m a bigger fan than most. He’s decent enough, and under-appreciated for doing the right things out there. However, I want the off-court minutes for Rudy to be used by KAT, and if not him, extra minutes for Naz. Yeah, we have to play differently with KAT or Naz, but I think our more glaring need is a PG.

So I searched through the player salaries of $5 mil and under for a three way to send out Plumlee for a comparably skilled PG. Slim pickings, and in a blind study, the guy I’d probably pick is .. Shake Milton! Yeah, he’s been bad so far, but I think he has the most reliable history at that price to fill our needs - he just needs to get back to being Shake. I know Finch is trying to give him every opportunity (even some extra minutes in our last win at the end), and he played a little better. I’ll keep an eye out for that PG, but in the meantime, I’m just hoping Shake can get back to normal.

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Did TC sign Morris to his current contract?

[minimus]

Meh

I had a feeling that this would be a general sentiment of the trade...

But the interesting thing is...the appeal of Tyus Jones for many is the AST/TO ratio.

But look at this, since 2017-18:
Tyus Jones 5.66 assists per turnover
Monte Morris 4.92 assists per turnover

Not that much of a gap. Then you add on the fact that Morris is a career 39.2% 3-point shooter, while Jones is 35.9% in that time, and it becomes more interesting for me.

Ultimately, I think whatever "future PG" option will come in either at MLE money or on a rookie contract. I think Morris becomes a value option as a bridge guy for MLE money, even beyond this season. And Tyus could easily become too expensive, while also costing more assets just to match contracts.

And incredibly consistent. Every single year of his career.

2018-19: 49/44/80
2019-20: 46/38/84
2020-21: 48/38/84
2021-22: 48/40/80
2022-23: 48/38/83

Jokic effect (except one last season in WAS)?

Looks like he is a good shooter

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[MN7725]

Did TC sign Morris to his current contract?

TC did

he traded him for an upgrade in KCP, different kind of guard, but that was fair deal on both sides, Denver just wanted more defense

[NebWolvesFan]

Did TC sign Morris to his current contract?

TC did

he traded him for an upgrade in KCP, different kind of guard, but that was fair deal on both sides, Denver just wanted more defense

I believe Booth technically made that trade. Although I believe Doogie said TC had been doing the legwork on it for months before Washington agreed after TC left. We will never know, but technically TC was gone when Morris was traded.

I just hate that he's hurt and their doing out of the box stuff to get him healthy. I worry that he will be hurt most of the time he's here. I would consider Morris on a buyout, but not a trade.

[NebWolvesFan]

If we came away from the trade deadline swapping Kyle Anderson for Monte Morris, how would people feel?

I would only trade Anderson for Tyus. As I just posted, I worry about Morris' injury.

[TimberKat]

We should be able to get Hyland with Moore + 2nd round picks at this point unless Westbrook wants out of LAC. I think the ideal player is Klay Thompson type - reliable 3pt shot, play D, can handle the ball. Alternative would be Clarkson type who can create shots when offense flow stops.

[thinktank]

We should be able to get Hyland with Moore + 2nd round picks at this point unless Westbrook wants out of LAC. I think the ideal player is Klay Thompson type - reliable 3pt shot, play D, can handle the ball. Alternative would be Clarkson type who can create shots when offense flow stops.

I actually prefer Clarkson. More experienced.

[winforlose]

I love a lot of Finch’s coaching style, but the offense stops because we lack structure and they adapt to the chaos at times. Having some set plays, or at least off ball movement patterns for guys to default to would help. Doesn’t matter if it’s Mike, JMAC, Ant, or KAT running the offense, if guys are standing around things are going to go badly.

[Mamba4Goat]

I love a lot of Finch’s coaching style, but the offense stops because we lack structure and they adapt to the chaos at times. Having some set plays, or at least off ball movement patterns for guys to default to would help. Doesn’t matter if it’s Mike, JMAC, Ant, or KAT running the offense, if guys are standing around things are going to go badly.

The flow offense sometimes works better but more structure would definitely help. Having an extra smart playmaker helps too (whether that is inserting J-Mac into the lineup or finding a trade).

That being said…Micic over in OKC could be a great option. Fantastic Euro guard who hasn’t had the opportunity to adjust just yet, would be cheap, and could be a huge playmaking and scoring option. He’d just need to be brought along a little more.

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[Neeva]

I wouldn’t even spend a second on Bones Hyland.
Clarkson won’t work because of his high salary this season, too high.
We should have tried to get Cam Thomas last trade deadline:/.