Cavs Schmavved! Victory Cigar vs CLE 12/12

ConstableGeneva · Post #41 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:48 am

Makes clutch threes, gets timely defensive stops, panders to fans. What can't this man do?!

ConstableGeneva · Post #42 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:53 am

Same, Joe. Potential assists where it's at. He had 6 potential assists in 2 games, which is still low for someone who has the ball a lot.

ConstableGeneva · Post #43 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:58 am

Postup against smalls is almost an automatic bucket or FTs.

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bucknersrevenge · Post #44 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:59 am

Shak_Celts wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Tatum was the high scorer but ZERO chance he gets it from me tonight. Don't care what his counting stats were tonight. The way he just passively floated the ball around the perimeter was kinda sickening. I mean, was someone telling him not to post up Dean wade? Isaac Okoro? You knew any possession where he lurked around the top of the arc longer than 5 seconds he was gonna stay there until he got the ball back and just hoist. Very few screens set by him. No movement off the ball. When he got the postup he did well but then immediately went back to the arc. Not sure why he does this. Not sure why someone hasn't told him his contested pullup 3 is asswater. He does so much better on the move.

For the good news, I'm running out of great things to say about Derrick White. Just amazing. And as Hal reminded me, his evolution from the player he was when he first got here to what he is now offensively is nothing short of miraculous. He smokes it tonight.

Give KP the CP tonight. SHokk off a rough 1st half to score 19 of his 21 in the 2nd half including some big shots in the 3rd to help us win a quarter that we rarely win; especially when the other team scores 32 on us in that frame. That helped get us the lead and set the stage for us to take it in the 4th.

I don't know what to say, but if you think Tatum wasn't in the VC discussion then you assessed it differently than I did. He doesn't have to play like you wanted to have played very well. He's doing what is needed to win!

Don't know what we have until it's over, Tatum is a gem. Thanks Danny, Mom/Dad Tatum, and Tat!

You can roll your eyes if you want but yes, today I assessed it differently. And I said exactly why I did. You judge it how you want but him floating around the arc taking contested shots while holding the ball for 5-10 seconds is what I thought we were trying to move away from. It's why I thought we got KP and Jrue; so he wouldn't have to do that. He put up nice numbers but I didn't like that. I get JT PLENTY of props around here when he plays well. Nothing wrong with being honest and calling out when he plays not as well.

Post #45 » by **Shak_Celts** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:00 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:SO RANDOM. JT made his 2,000th FT tonight.

List of players with 2,000 FTs, 1,500 assists, and 300 blocks before age 26 -- Jordan, Kobe, McGrady, Lebron, Durant, Giannis, and Tatum.

I had to 'cos it's very good company lol.

He must take 100 a game??

I don't know if the numbers agree but when I watch him play he does seem to be better, think he got better after that excellent run of ft shooting that ended with a chip.

Seems to have gotten worse.

Giannis FT% before age 26: 72.2%
Giannis FT% age 26 onwards: 68.2%
Giannis FT% since winning chip: 68.1%

LOL thank you. Must be a case of making when I'm hoping he misses! :lol:

ConstableGeneva · Post #46 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:06 am

This play clinched the VC for me for JB. Leveraging your ability to score then making an on-time on-target pass to the open man? *chef's kiss*

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It's not hating to want more of this for the good of the team. Previous seasons, he's more likely to force that postup and take a contested shot against two defenders. Or take a difficult fadeaway.

TheMartian · Post #47 » by **TheMartian** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:10 am

I seem to be voting DWhite a lot for these victory cigars. I'm seeing a trend here.

ConstableGeneva · Post #48 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:13 am

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DWhite and Hauser are averaging career highs in points.

Post #49 » by **Shak_Celts** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:18 am

bucknersrevenge wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:Tatum was the high scorer but ZERO chance he gets it from me tonight. Don't care what his counting stats were tonight. The way he just passively floated the ball around the perimeter was kinda sickening. I mean, was someone telling him not to post up Dean wade? Isaac Okoro? You knew any possession where he lurked around the top of the arc longer than 5 seconds he was gonna stay there until he got the ball back and just hoist. Very few screens set by him. No movement off the ball. When he got the postup he did well but then immediately went back to the arc. Not sure why he does this. Not sure why someone hasn't told him his contested pullup 3 is asswater. He does so much better on the move.

For the good news, I'm running out of great things to say about Derrick White. Just amazing. And as Hal reminded me, his evolution from the player he was when he first got here to what he is now offensively is nothing short of miraculous. He smokes it tonight.

Give KP the CP tonight. SHokk off a rough 1st half to score 19 of his 21 in the 2nd half including some big shots in the 3rd to help us win a quarter that we rarely win; especially when the other team scores 32 on us in that frame. That helped get us the lead and set the stage for us to take it in the 4th.

I don't know what to say, but if you think Tatum wasn't in the VC discussion then you assessed it differently than I did. He doesn't have to play like you wanted to have played very well. He's doing what is needed to win!

Don't know what we have until it's over, Tatum is a gem. Thanks Danny, Mom/Dad Tatum, and Tat!

You can roll your eyes if you want but yes, today I assessed it differently. And I said exactly why I did. You judge it how you want but him floating around the arc taking contested shots while holding the ball for 5-10 seconds is what I thought we were trying to move away from. It's why I thought we got KP and Jrue; so he wouldn't have to do that. He put up nice numbers but I didn't like that. I get JT PLENTY of props around here when he plays well. Nothing wrong with being honest and calling out when he plays not as well.

look at fts and how he got his points. he's not going to drive it in every poss no matter how much people want it. he's not going to be perfect. he's going to have less-than-stellar moments, he isn't a robot.

I thought this was one of his better games of the last 10. He was taking it to the hole, scoring/being fouled. He passed it when needed, which was good for others to get going. Don't remember his D but I mainly miss people watching Jrue and White, unless it's really noticeable. Had some poor moments but watch any other superstar and they do too. Still grabbing all the rebounds. We were missing wide-open 3s and Tat and Brown drove to the hole to get some scoring momentum, it worked.

more good than bad, I didn't see perfection, but he was good tonight.

edit: I agree, the pullups are not ideal, because he's not hitting them this season. Still, he did what was needed to win. He is going to take those shots, he's going to have to hit them in the playoffs.

Memokerobi · Post #50 » by **Memokerobi** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:31 am

Went JB and JT. White’s impact was huge but he just made his shots, I thought JB was really good and JT too except the 1st

Post #51 » by **Shak_Celts** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:36 am

TheMartian wrote:I seem to be voting DWhite a lot for these victory cigars. I'm seeing a trend here.

BaldVP

Fierce1 · Post #52 » by **Fierce1** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:41 am

White VC

KP CP

Fierce1 · Post #53 » by **Fierce1** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:43 am

Jrue and White reminds me of the 80s where Jrue is Dennis Johnson and White is Danny Ainge.

Sweet Serenity · Post #54 » by **Sweet Serenity** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:11 am

Ben-N1ce wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:A win is a win but I really don't see much progress being made in weeks by the team. Just talent gaps. Jaylen and White smoke it though.

Don't try and downplay the Cavs talent. Go player for player and Tatum is the only one far and above. Mobley would be what I'd be basing it off if he were playing. Without him, they are still VERY deep. We aren't talent levels above them IMO. For some reason, it's iffy with them and DM this season, even though his numbers are great.

Cavs are a meh. This game has nothing to do with the Cavs. I want to see improvement. I don't see it. The defense has been worse if anything.

What the hell have you been watching ? :lol:

Jammer · Post #55 » by **Jammer** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:23 am

Two things that stand out from this game:

1) The Celtics are playing with more pace. The additions of White AND Holiday, two players who can push the ball and finish, leads to trying to beat the opposing defense down the floor. Add finishers like Brown and Tatum and there are more EASY opportunities than in the past.

2) Joe seems to be maturing. He's got a long way to go, but he seems to be maturing.

fallguy · Post #56 » by **fallguy** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:38 am

KillahGhostface wrote:This win was 100% in honor of the legend

I am shattered. My fave actor by a longshot.

fallguy · Post #57 » by **fallguy** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:40 am

Like the DWhite usage trend.

ConstableGeneva · Post #58 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:44 am

Teams W-L when making 15+ threes in a game:
• Against non-Celtics: 98-47 (67.59%)
• Against the Celtics: 1-7 (12.5%)

Teams W-L when shooting 40%+ from 3 in a game:
• Against non-Celtics: 141-210 (67.14%)
• Against the Celtics: 1-7 (12.5%)

Poor 3-pt defense (or other team lucking out) hasn't bitten us in the ass hard just yet.

TheMartian · Post #59 » by **TheMartian** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:40 am

fallguy wrote:
KillahGhostface wrote:This win was 100% in honor of the legend

I am shattered. My fave actor by a longshot.

RIP, Satch.

steefP2 · Post #60 » by **steefP2** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:45 am

ConstableGeneva wrote:This play clinched the VC for me for JB. Leveraging your ability to score then making an on-time on-target pass to the open man? *chef's kiss*

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It's not hating to want more of this for the good of the team. Previous seasons, he's more likely to force that postup and take a contested shot against two defenders. Or take a difficult fadeaway.

Even when he doesn’t make a good pass or find the open man; he’s been a lot more willing to just dribble it back out or pass it back out to the top of the key if the play isn’t there. Just a lot less forcing it vs double or triple teams. You love to see it.

Who smokes the big cigar?