76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

[76ciology]

Coby White balling out is making Lavine's return to the lineup in Chicago even more awkward, he has no real market and the team and especially Coby have played way better without Zach on the floor, very remove Harden and unleash Maxey-esque. I don't want any part of Lavine, but getting player movement started anywhere in the league tends to get markets opening up.

Even Demar is becoming a facilitator, he had 40+pts and 11assist in their previous game

[Sportfan73]

Coby White balling out is making Lavine's return to the lineup in Chicago even more awkward, he has no real market and the team and especially Coby have played way better without Zach on the floor, very remove Harden and unleash Maxey-esque. I don't want any part of Lavine, but getting player movement started anywhere in the league tends to get markets opening up.

Even Demar is becoming a facilitator, he had 40+pts and 11assist in their previous game

Demar has been a facilitator? He averaged 7 assists a game one year in Chicago

[Sportfan73]

San Antonio

[Sportfan73]

https://vxtwitter.com/ThiagoPHL/status/1734323033014194246?s=20

Did Tobi hurt our spacing on the floor?

No but when stuff tightens up in the playoffs he absolutely will. And he doesn’t do A N Y of the little role player things well so if he’s not shooting the ball, his defense has regressed massively this year, man he just does not fit here anymore

[LeonJordanJr24]

I'm not anti-Tyus Jones, but I don't see how he could be a high reward move. At best, he's a sufficient backup PG. Better than not having one, but thats certainly not putting us over the top or anything.

Why is a high reward move a "put us over the top" one?

We need a second ball handler who can take some pressure from Maxey and can defend at a decent clip. If you get that from a low-level expiring contract how is that not a high-reward move?

Rather not use our assets on guys who are notoriously unplayable in the playoffs

New coach ... better fitting players ... Maxey today .. Embiid today...

[Murray_17]

Alot people see nurse advocating for Siakam can you imagine what he can do with Ben Simmons in that role ??? It could be scary especially if Embiid and Maxey co-sign it.

oh come on

[Covi_Marsh]

Yeah, but if they have Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum at the 2&3, what would you do?

And Batum at the 4? He’s a bad rebounder for a PF.

I mean Batum will be guarding Tatum so whatever position u wanna call it. Tobias & Oubre probably will see him some as well but Batum been drawing the best perimeter player when he’s on the floor.

As for LaVine, he’ll have to adjust to the system like Maxey and Melton. Neither can guard Brown or Tatum either. U hope they take contested jump shots but if they drive on you, embiid crashes and LaVine better run his but to the corner and take away the Al or Porzingis 3 like Maxey does. Melton good poking from behind so I probably shoulda left his name off lol.

My bad there. Yeah, i get ur point.

But what do you do when the game is close and in crunch time they play double big with Brown at the 2 and Tatum at the 3.

Jrue
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Porzingis
Horford

I mean if you’re making that trade you would hope
Embiid Maxey & Lavine could outscore Tatum & Brown down the stretch. And Nurse would outcoach Boston, something Doc actually did but we couldn’t take advantage of it.

If we did make the trade, I’m against Lavine playing at the 3 at all. No 3 guard backcourts.

[Zumramania]

https://vxtwitter.com/ThiagoPHL/status/1734323033014194246?s=20

Did Tobi hurt our spacing on the floor?

No but when stuff tightens up in the playoffs he absolutely will. And he doesn’t do A N Y of the little role player things well so if he’s not shooting the ball, his defense has regressed massively this year, man he just does not fit here anymore

I feel like Tobias would spend a lot more time on the bench if he didn't have that huge contract. Maybe they are hoping he will get better (which he probably will in the regular season) so that he still is a trade piece. Otherwise I don't even think we need him in the playoffs. We need a different player and the stuff that he does and more than that are covered by our current wing/PF depth.

[Negrodamus]

Things are going too well for our season right now, we should bring back Ben to sabotage it.

[Mik317]

again the "idea" of LaVine as a Klay Klay Reddick off ball chucker who doesn't completely suck ass on defense and buys into said role is interesting.

Don't think thats the reality tho.

You can also say that the team needs better defense but also IDK if the current offense is playoff proof either..soo yeah.

My whole thing is that while I think this team is good. I don't think they are THAT good atm and yet I also don't know what would change that. You get an OG type and add more athletic defense to the roster and that would help a ton (especially if Nurse stops playing Morris...) but again what happens when Biid is swallowed up and not getting calls and Maxey's speed is gameplanned for? Then on the other side of things, if you get more offense guys to lighten said load..the defense has been asssssss and against better playoff teams that might be a death sentence lol. The actual "plan" should be to use our assets to fix both but on less splashier names but thats not Morey's MO soooooo.

I am just enjoying the ride atm. Team is currently in that state where with some luck and hot shooting they can make a run but I don't think they get any farther than past years and I don't currently see a pathway that changes that THIS season. But of course every year someone shakes loose that isn't expected to so who knows...for once we have assets to pounce

[Negrodamus]

That said, I could see us being facilitators in the LaVine to LA trade.

The lakers only have long term money to trade so that makes zero sense. Also yeah we have been strongly public about future flexibility but some or even a lot of that could be leverage based. Our best assets are picks and the fact that we have expiring money to offer right now so we need to make it seem like it would cost an extra premium to part with said expiring money. It’s morey value prop 101

If we take on DLO, we could trade them protected first used to help them facilitate the LaVine trade. Going into the offseason, we'd have enough to throw a max at a free agent even with DLO's contract.

Gives us another large ball handler who runs the PnR exceptionally well and has been playing great off ball. He's also obviously a volume shooter from three.

[LeonJordanJr24]

That said, I could see us being facilitators in the LaVine to LA trade.

The lakers only have long term money to trade so that makes zero sense. Also yeah we have been strongly public about future flexibility but some or even a lot of that could be leverage based. Our best assets are picks and the fact that we have expiring money to offer right now so we need to make it seem like it would cost an extra premium to part with said expiring money. It’s morey value prop 101

If we take on DLO, we could trade them protected first used to help them facilitate the LaVine trade. Going into the offseason, we'd have enough to throw a max at a free agent even with DLO's contract.

Gives us another large ball handler who runs the PnR exceptionally well and has been playing great off ball. He's also obviously a volume shooter from three.

I do not want slow ass Dlo on this team lol

[LeTimmAy]

Browsing through Bkref.... Give Tony Bradley another chance as a Back Up 5 for 10min/Game.

[Negrodamus]

The lakers only have long term money to trade so that makes zero sense. Also yeah we have been strongly public about future flexibility but some or even a lot of that could be leverage based. Our best assets are picks and the fact that we have expiring money to offer right now so we need to make it seem like it would cost an extra premium to part with said expiring money. It’s morey value prop 101

If we take on DLO, we could trade them protected first used to help them facilitate the LaVine trade. Going into the offseason, we'd have enough to throw a max at a free agent even with DLO's contract.

Gives us another large ball handler who runs the PnR exceptionally well and has been playing great off ball. He's also obviously a volume shooter from three.

I do not want slow ass Dlo on this team lol

Yea, but he'd be good and fits what we need on offense lol.

[mjkvol]

If we take on DLO, we could trade them protected first used to help them facilitate the LaVine trade. Going into the offseason, we'd have enough to throw a max at a free agent even with DLO's contract.

Gives us another large ball handler who runs the PnR exceptionally well and has been playing great off ball. He's also obviously a volume shooter from three.

I do not want slow ass Dlo on this team lol

Yea, but he'd be good and fits what we need on offense lol.

I'm not necessarily a fan of DLo, but I'll take him in a half-second over Lavine. Seems that he is comfortable not being a primary option, and as you said he can shoot the 3 and be a secondary PG. The lack of defense isn't ideal, but I could see him working out here.

[zaz102]

As a low-price, high-reward move? why not?

I'm not anti-Tyus Jones, but I don't see how he could be a high reward move. At best, he's a sufficient backup PG. Better than not having one, but thats certainly not putting us over the top or anything.

Why is a high reward move a "put us over the top" one?

We need a second ball handler who can take some pressure from Maxey and can defend at a decent clip. If you get that from a low-level expiring contract how is that not a high-reward move?

I am fine with Jones at the right price assuming nothing else happens, but I don't think I could consider a someone who will not be on the floor at the end of the game and probably play at most 10ish minutes of a playoff game a high-reward player.

I would consider someone Caruso (not worth the price) a high reward player in such a role since he could be playing at the end of the game and get a lot more minutes.

And of course, backup G is not their primary need

[76ciology]

Now, let’s explore trading for OG.

What would be our team's weakness if we trade Robert Covington and picks for OG?

I assume the Raptors prefer Roco over Morris because they seem to want a valuable player in return.

How much better is OG than Roco as a defender? Is it worth trading 3 first-round picks? Seems like currently, you need to give 3 first round picks to win a bid war for OG.

After signing OG to a $35-40M contract and giving up 3 first-round picks, what flexibility remains?

The downside of the trade is that we won't improve our team depth, losing Roco in the process. It also doesn't address the issue of "what if Embiid isn't at 100%?"

Moreover, did we add more length in the trade?

The latest "Thinking Basketball" podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/ph/podcast/thinking-basketball/id1428290303?i=1000638246187) highlights the size advantage of recent NBA champions, like the Lakers' Lamar-Pau-Bynum, Bucks' Khris-Giannis-Brolo, Raptors' Siakam-Ibaka-Gasol, Lakers' LeBron-AD-D12, Nuggets' MPJ-Gordon-Jokic, and Warriors' Durant-Draymond-Looney.

Maxey = 6’2”
Melton = 6’3”
OG = 6’7”
Tobias = 6’7”
Embiid = 7’

Did the IST finals showed pacers = small ball = regular season basketball vs Lakers = playing big = playoff basketball? At the end of the game, Pacers came up with this conclusion..

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Well, atleast they just need one IST to figure it out.

[ProcessDoctor]

^^^has Tobias vibes all over again, despite them being vastly different players. Tobias was "just entering his prime" when we traded for him but he never took a considerable leap compared to his last full year in LA.

Not opposed to OG the player, just the idea of trading multiple picks for him THEN paying him $40+ mil/year. That's all-star player package stuff, and OG isn't that and probably never will be.

[76ciology]

^^^has Tobias vibes all over again, despite them being vastly different players. Tobias was "just entering his prime" when we traded for him but he never took a considerable leap compared to his last full year in LA.

Not opposed to OG the player, just the idea of trading multiple picks for him THEN paying him $40+ mil/year. That's all-star player package stuff, and OG isn't that and probably never will be.

Yes, but Tobi was the final piece back then. We had Jimmy and Ben who has size and plays big.

While Tobi compliments Ben’s lack of scoring and alot of Ben and Embiid’s game. Tobi has always been part of our best 5 man units, he compliments the team very well. Hell, even him being sort of an ironman (in today’s basketball definition) compliments Biid’s lack of durability and so-so leadership.

That said, if OG looks like THE final piece, then Im all for paying him $45M a year.

[Negrodamus]

I guarantee whatever the price is for OG, it's too high.