Return of the Yak: The Everything Jakob Poeltl Thread

[OakleyDokely]

OH MY GOD, NOT 10% MORE. INSTEAD OF 18M HE WILL GET JUST ABOVE 19M. THE ABSOLUTE HORROR OF THAT SITUATION.

[Ell Curry]

The teams that project to have cap space are:

HOU
SA
UTAH
OKC
DET
IND
ORL

Then there are teams like DAL, LAL who can create cap space, but they'd have to gut much of their roster to get there.

The Raps can probably play hardball with Poeltl and try to squeeze every possible penny out of him, but the most likely scenario is they sign him to a fair deal based on recent comps.

OKC looks like a great fit for him. Poeltl-Chet-Giddey-JalenWilliams-Dort-SGA is a nicely balanced top 6 and then they'll develop Dieng and whoever they draft at #12 to hopefully be the Wiggins/OG type 3 and D forwards that lineup is short.

but yeah, other than that there's only a return to SA, which seems unlikely since Poeltl seems to want to be on a playoff team.

The sign and trade teams for Poeltl I could see are Phoenix (Ayton, 3 way maybe, complicated but I think workable), Memphis, Portland and Dallas. The first two teams would get younger at the 5 and Dallas just need talent in the frontcourt.

OKC would probably have interest but only on a short term deal because their roster is going to get very expensive very soon, so I doubt they'd go for 3-4 years.

They're gonna need a big body center at some point, so paying Poeltl 75M over 4 years or another veteran center just seems like something that's gonna happen. Though maybe you're right, they pay say Brook Lopez a ton for 2 years and get some extra shooting and maybe find a center later in the draft.

[OakleyDokely]

OKC looks like a great fit for him. Poeltl-Chet-Giddey-JalenWilliams-Dort-SGA is a nicely balanced top 6 and then they'll develop Dieng and whoever they draft at #12 to hopefully be the Wiggins/OG type 3 and D forwards that lineup is short.

but yeah, other than that there's only a return to SA, which seems unlikely since Poeltl seems to want to be on a playoff team.

The sign and trade teams for Poeltl I could see are Phoenix (Ayton, 3 way maybe, complicated but I think workable), Memphis, Portland and Dallas. The first two teams would get younger at the 5 and Dallas just need talent in the frontcourt.

OKC would probably have interest but only on a short term deal because their roster is going to get very expensive very soon, so I doubt they'd go for 3-4 years.

They're gonna need a big body center at some point, so paying Poeltl 75M over 4 years or another veteran center just seems like something that's gonna happen. Though maybe you're right, they pay say Brook Lopez a ton for 2 years and get some extra shooting and maybe find a center later in the draft.

I think they'd look for short term solutions. SGA is already on a max, Giddey will be coming up on a max in a couple years and then Jalen and Chet will be up right after Giddey. They're going to have to manage their support players very carefully or risk losing some elite talent again.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

OKC looks like a great fit for him. Poeltl-Chet-Giddey-JalenWilliams-Dort-SGA is a nicely balanced top 6 and then they'll develop Dieng and whoever they draft at #12 to hopefully be the Wiggins/OG type 3 and D forwards that lineup is short.

but yeah, other than that there's only a return to SA, which seems unlikely since Poeltl seems to want to be on a playoff team.

The sign and trade teams for Poeltl I could see are Phoenix (Ayton, 3 way maybe, complicated but I think workable), Memphis, Portland and Dallas. The first two teams would get younger at the 5 and Dallas just need talent in the frontcourt.

OKC would probably have interest but only on a short term deal because their roster is going to get very expensive very soon, so I doubt they'd go for 3-4 years.

They're gonna need a big body center at some point, so paying Poeltl 75M over 4 years or another veteran center just seems like something that's gonna happen. Though maybe you're right, they pay say Brook Lopez a ton for 2 years and get some extra shooting and maybe find a center later in the draft.

Poetl is far more than a big body centre, and we haven't had a player as smart as him since Marc Gasol and Kawhi - and they were two of the highest IQ we have ever had. With any kind of functional offence around him, the Raptors would be much better.

[Ell Curry]

OKC would probably have interest but only on a short term deal because their roster is going to get very expensive very soon, so I doubt they'd go for 3-4 years.

They're gonna need a big body center at some point, so paying Poeltl 75M over 4 years or another veteran center just seems like something that's gonna happen. Though maybe you're right, they pay say Brook Lopez a ton for 2 years and get some extra shooting and maybe find a center later in the draft.

I think they'd look for short term solutions. SGA is already on a max, Giddey will be coming up on a max in a couple years and then Jalen and Chet will be up right after Giddey. They're going to have to manage their support players very carefully or risk losing some elite talent again.

Yeah, I could see them just trying to find a Kevon Looney type or maybe trade one of their late firsts for say Nick Richards (15M over 3 years, started hitting FTs this year and Charlotte has Mark Williams and needs more talent elsewhere than backup center which they can fill with their cap space), but we've seen teams like New Orleans and Memphis go for big body veteran centers and they do need someone to play 25 minutes there since Chet is so skinny.

I'm just not sure they're doing better with cap space than say giving Poeltl more money than anyone else will and getting a player option on say year 3 or 4, and for Poeltl, it's a perfect fit really apart from OKC not having a ton of shooting other than Jalen WIlliams and Joe. He'd be starting on a team winning 50 games you'd figure. Poeltl-Chet-Giddey-Williams-Dort-SGA is a really nice top 6 and they have the sheer volume of picks to trade up at some point or hit on a project type. Like if they look at that group and think that say Hendricks is a great fit as a defensive forward who can hit a 3, they can throw a team picking #8 or 9 one of their extra firsts to move up from 15th you'd think.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Presti killed his last rebuild by overpaying a big C. Doubt he takes the same risk with everyone he'll have to pay in the future. Plus why is Jak signing up to play in OKC? He just got out of San Antonio. The dude is from Vienna. Give him some credit.

[ciueli]

Bumping this thread because there's nowhere to discuss Jakob in particular.

Here's what I was going to post in one of the threads that just got locked:

We had to send salary back to San Antonio in order to complete the Poeltl trade, I'm sure there was some negotiation about exactly who was going to be sent back. Probably the Spurs taking on a non-expiring Khem Birch instead of someone like Thad Young was one of negotiation points, we don't know if that cost us anything extra or not.

In retrospect it didn't matter because we picked up Thad's option, which I never imagined we would do without a trade already in place (seems Masai thought his contract would be important in getting a Damian Lillard deal done). Turns out we could have sent them Thad anyway, it actually would have saved us a bit of money if Thad had gone out in the trade instead of Birch.

[Scase]

Bumping this thread because there's nowhere to discuss Jakob in particular.

Here's what I was going to post in one of the threads that just got locked:

We had to send salary back to San Antonio in order to complete the Poeltl trade, I'm sure there was some negotiation about exactly who was going to be sent back. Probably the Spurs taking on a non-expiring Khem Birch instead of someone like Thad Young was one of negotiation points, we don't know if that cost us anything extra or not.

In retrospect it didn't matter because we picked up Thad's option, which I never imagined we would do without a trade already in place (seems Masai thought his contract would be important in getting a Damian Lillard deal done). Turns out we could have sent them Thad anyway, it actually would have saved us a bit of money if Thad had gone out in the trade instead of Birch.

Damn near half the roster is explained away as "salary filler". There's so much dead weight on this team it's hilarious, like we're talking good starter money. I think it was in the realm of 30mil or so on redundant forwards on a team with 3 very high quality forwards in Scottie/Siakam/OG.


The protections were terrible, the return has been bad, and it has handcuffed the team for at least another year. Just a horrific trade.

[2019nbachamps]

Trade was awful then and awful now. We shouldn’t blame Poeltl, he is who he is. We know what we get from him. Problem is he’s drawing heat due to overall incompetence of our FO.