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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#481 » by Mavrelous » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:40 pm

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Maverick41 wrote:Josh Green + Kleber for Draymond. Add Hardy if needed. I mentioned this on T&T and at least one Warriors fan liked it.


I highly doubt Warriors trade him, highly doubt Mavs go after him, but yeah, Green/Kleber/Hardy for Green is totally worth the risk for me, main risk is practice fight between him and Grant Williams.


I have a feeling that Warriors' owners have enough of him and will try to trade him. He's bad in every aspect for them and don't forget how expensive he's because of additional tax Warriors are paying.


Mavs players (the one we're suggesting), don't look too hot right now, If Warriors agree then I'm all for it...
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#482 » by Bob8 » Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:59 pm

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I highly doubt Warriors trade him, highly doubt Mavs go after him, but yeah, Green/Kleber/Hardy for Green is totally worth the risk for me, main risk is practice fight between him and Grant Williams.


I have a feeling that Warriors' owners have enough of him and will try to trade him. He's bad in every aspect for them and don't forget how expensive he's because of additional tax Warriors are paying.


Mavs players (the one we're suggesting), don't look too hot right now, If Warriors agree then I'm all for it...


Street fighter vs. 2 young prospects? It depends what others offer for him, but Draymond made his value drop significantly.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#483 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:18 pm

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I have a feeling that Warriors' owners have enough of him and will try to trade him. He's bad in every aspect for them and don't forget how expensive he's because of additional tax Warriors are paying.


Mavs players (the one we're suggesting), don't look too hot right now, If Warriors agree then I'm all for it...


Street fighter vs. 2 young prospects? It depends what others offer for him, but Draymond made his value drop significantly.


Mavs win talent wise no bones about it, but Green is a lunatic in every way, no regard for anyone else and he hurts his team just as much as he helps these days. With a questionable personality already on the roster in Kyrie, not sure if thats what u surround Luka with
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#484 » by Bob8 » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:26 pm

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Mavs players (the one we're suggesting), don't look too hot right now, If Warriors agree then I'm all for it...


Street fighter vs. 2 young prospects? It depends what others offer for him, but Draymond made his value drop significantly.


Mavs win talent wise no bones about it, but Green is a jack A in every way, no regard for anyone else and he hurts his team just as much as he helps these days. With a questionable personality already on the roster in Kyrie, not sure if thats what u surround Luka with


Mavs would be very near to title contenders with Draymond. Risk worth taking.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#485 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:29 pm

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Street fighter vs. 2 young prospects? It depends what others offer for him, but Draymond made his value drop significantly.


Mavs win talent wise no bones about it, but Green is a jack A in every way, no regard for anyone else and he hurts his team just as much as he helps these days. With a questionable personality already on the roster in Kyrie, not sure if thats what u surround Luka with


Mavs would be very near to title contenders with Draymond. Risk worth taking.


Its a massive risk, if all we're giving up as it Khalil suggested then its not a big loss other than hoping Dray doesnt cause issues in the locker room. Dray would hate a guy like Josh Green who puts in zero effort to improve his game/help the team, so with the latter Green going out in the hypotehtical trade, it does eliminate that issue
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#486 » by Bob8 » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:42 pm

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Mavs win talent wise no bones about it, but Green is a jack A in every way, no regard for anyone else and he hurts his team just as much as he helps these days. With a questionable personality already on the roster in Kyrie, not sure if thats what u surround Luka with


Mavs would be very near to title contenders with Draymond. Risk worth taking.


Its a massive risk, if all we're giving up as it Khalil suggested then its not a big loss other than hoping Dray doesnt cause issues in the locker room. Dray would hate a guy like Josh Green who puts in zero effort to improve his game/help the team, so with the latter Green going out in the hypotehtical trade, it does eliminate that issue


I don't see any risk. Mavs can't do much with this roster and Josh/Hardy won't bring much anyway. Other options is a package with FRP + Josh/Hardy, but I can't see realistic target. If we get Draymond, we could use FRP for improvement in C and that should be pretty good roster.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#487 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:44 pm

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Mavs would be very near to title contenders with Draymond. Risk worth taking.


Its a massive risk, if all we're giving up as it Khalil suggested then its not a big loss other than hoping Dray doesnt cause issues in the locker room. Dray would hate a guy like Josh Green who puts in zero effort to improve his game/help the team, so with the latter Green going out in the hypotehtical trade, it does eliminate that issue


I don't see any risk. Mavs can't do much with this roster and Josh/Hardy won't bring much anyway. Other options is a package with FRP + Josh/Hardy, but I can't see realistic target. If we get Draymond, we could use FRP for improvement in C and that should be pretty good roster.


The risk is he goes crazy, gets suspended, kills the locker room. Those are all legitimate factors. Kyrie is already volatile himself, albeit in different ways, do we really want 2 guys on huge deals like that?
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#488 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:46 pm

But in said scenario, trading Josh is addition by subtraction. SO Dray at his salary minus the 14 we would be paying Josh is a great deal.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#489 » by Mavrelous » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:48 pm

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Its a massive risk, if all we're giving up as it Khalil suggested then its not a big loss other than hoping Dray doesnt cause issues in the locker room. Dray would hate a guy like Josh Green who puts in zero effort to improve his game/help the team, so with the latter Green going out in the hypotehtical trade, it does eliminate that issue


I don't see any risk. Mavs can't do much with this roster and Josh/Hardy won't bring much anyway. Other options is a package with FRP + Josh/Hardy, but I can't see realistic target. If we get Draymond, we could use FRP for improvement in C and that should be pretty good roster.


The risk is he goes crazy, gets suspended, kills the locker room. Those are all legitimate factors. Kyrie is already volatile himself, albeit in different ways, do we really want 2 guys on huge deals like that?


Keep in mind, Dray has a huge chip on his shoulder, and it's killing him, that he's a product of Steph, he basically punched Poole because he told him that, I'd imagine he'd want to prove otherwise.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#490 » by Bob8 » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:49 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
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Its a massive risk, if all we're giving up as it Khalil suggested then its not a big loss other than hoping Dray doesnt cause issues in the locker room. Dray would hate a guy like Josh Green who puts in zero effort to improve his game/help the team, so with the latter Green going out in the hypotehtical trade, it does eliminate that issue


I don't see any risk. Mavs can't do much with this roster and Josh/Hardy won't bring much anyway. Other options is a package with FRP + Josh/Hardy, but I can't see realistic target. If we get Draymond, we could use FRP for improvement in C and that should be pretty good roster.


The risk is he goes crazy, gets suspended, kills the locker room. Those are all legitimate factors. Kyrie is already volatile himself, albeit in different ways, do we really want 2 guys on huge deals like that?


He's crazy, that's why we might get him cheap. I would prefer OG, but unfortunately...;)
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#491 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:49 pm

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I don't see any risk. Mavs can't do much with this roster and Josh/Hardy won't bring much anyway. Other options is a package with FRP + Josh/Hardy, but I can't see realistic target. If we get Draymond, we could use FRP for improvement in C and that should be pretty good roster.


The risk is he goes crazy, gets suspended, kills the locker room. Those are all legitimate factors. Kyrie is already volatile himself, albeit in different ways, do we really want 2 guys on huge deals like that?


Keep in mind, Dray has a huge chip on his shoulder, and it's killing him, that he's a product of Steph, he basically punched Poole because he told him that, I'd imagine he'd want to prove otherwise.


INteresting, i didnt follow close enough as to why the punch happened. I heard Poole is a cocky trash talker who did it to dray, steph, and klay, and dray just had enough
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#492 » by Mavrelous » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:52 pm

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The risk is he goes crazy, gets suspended, kills the locker room. Those are all legitimate factors. Kyrie is already volatile himself, albeit in different ways, do we really want 2 guys on huge deals like that?


Keep in mind, Dray has a huge chip on his shoulder, and it's killing him, that he's a product of Steph, he basically punched Poole because he told him that, I'd imagine he'd want to prove otherwise.


INteresting, i didnt follow close enough as to why the punch happened. I heard Poole is a cocky trash talker who did it to dray, steph, and klay, and dray just had enough


Poole told him he's an expensive backpack for Steph, Dray made him a backpack :)
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#493 » by daoneandonly » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:19 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
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Keep in mind, Dray has a huge chip on his shoulder, and it's killing him, that he's a product of Steph, he basically punched Poole because he told him that, I'd imagine he'd want to prove otherwise.


INteresting, i didnt follow close enough as to why the punch happened. I heard Poole is a cocky trash talker who did it to dray, steph, and klay, and dray just had enough


Poole told him he's an expensive backpack for Steph, Dray made him a backpack :)


Ha, i live in the DC metro area of Maryland so see a lot of Poole now. Dude is straight garbage
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#494 » by Maverick41 » Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:29 pm

Beyond just the defense and toughness that Draymond can provide, his short roll decision making is the one that I'm most intrigued by. He's one of the best ever at receiving the ball out of a double team at the top of the key and making good decisions. We know from watching this team everyday, that happens a LOT since Luka gets blitzed almost every possession.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#495 » by tleikheen » Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:13 am

36 minutes played with only 3 rebounds ( 1 immediately fumbled out of bounds) against Minnesota. I can easily see Gobert ,Towns and Reid getting a rebound over Grant and saying ....too small,too small ..... and Williams shot 2/11 . Trade for Kyle Kuzma 6'9" and avging 23 ppg.
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Post#496 » by Maverick41 » Fri Dec 15, 2023 6:28 am

Apparently John Collins is officially on the trade block again. If we can get him for cheap, he can be very helpful. Yes I know he's overpaid, but he's still a solid starting caliber player.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#497 » by dirkules_41 » Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:29 am

tleikheen wrote:36 minutes played with only 3 rebounds ( 1 immediately fumbled out of bounds) against Minnesota. I can easily see Gobert ,Towns and Reid getting a rebound over Grant and saying ....too small,too small ..... and Williams shot 2/11 . Trade for Kyle Kuzma 6'9" and avging 23 ppg.

Ah yes Kyle Kuzma, the infamous lord of the rebounds.
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#498 » by Mike lorenzo » Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:07 pm

Maverick41 wrote:Apparently John Collins is officially on the trade block again. If we can get him for cheap, he can be very helpful. Yes I know he's overpaid, but he's still a solid starting caliber player.

¿Maxi/Holmes+Hardy?
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#499 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:14 pm

I'm not sold on Collins but for cheap it's a good try...
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Re: Dallas Mavericks 2023/24 Trade thread 

Post#500 » by tleikheen » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:19 pm

I would offer Hardy,Green,Prosper and 1st round picks for Laurie Markkanen, only 26 yrs old .

And start Luka .Kyrie ,Dante ,Markkanen ,Lively

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