ImageImageImage

Fantasy Trade Thread

Moderators: HartfordWhalers, BullyKing, Foshan, Sixerscan, sixers hoops

the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#441 » by the_process » Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:38 pm

LAC gets Paul Reed and Dan House
OKC gets PJ Tucker and Marcus Morris
PHI gets V Micic, Davis Bertans, and Amir Coffey
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#442 » by the_process » Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:37 pm

Wiggins to the Sixers
TJ, Korkmaz, and the 26 OKC 1st to GSW
Morris to IND
User avatar
mjkvol
Head Coach
Posts: 6,829
And1: 6,502
Joined: Apr 13, 2019

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#443 » by mjkvol » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:06 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Trading for Zach Lavine would be the equivalent of re-signing Tobias Harris to a max contract for four more years. I will explode with anger if we trade for him. There is just no way Morey is that short-sighted as a GM. Lavine isn't even a Morey type of player. We just escaped both James Harden and PJ Tucker and came out of it somehow better off. Trading for Lavine would put us right back in to cap hell again with no future.


Exactly. And that "no future" would be defined as second round exits for as long as Embiid remained here, and then a quick descent back to Lottery Hell. In short - a trade for Lavine brings The Process to a most pathetic conclusion.
"Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." - Sigmund Freud
Covi_Marsh
Senior
Posts: 587
And1: 394
Joined: Nov 20, 2018
       

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#444 » by Covi_Marsh » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:28 pm

the_process wrote:Wiggins to the Sixers
TJ, Korkmaz, and the 26 OKC 1st to GSW
Morris to IND


TJMcConnell for Marcus Morris? Prolly should leave the Pacers out of this. I don’t see why they would do that.

Marcus Morris, Korkmaz, and 26 OKC 1st for Wiggins.
Idk if Wiggins would give us anymore then Oubre would right now. He hasn’t been very good this year.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#445 » by the_process » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:40 pm

Covi_Marsh wrote:
the_process wrote:Wiggins to the Sixers
TJ, Korkmaz, and the 26 OKC 1st to GSW
Morris to IND


TJMcConnell for Marcus Morris? Prolly should leave the Pacers out of this. I don’t see why they would do that.

Marcus Morris, Korkmaz, and 26 OKC 1st for Wiggins.
Idk if Wiggins would give us anymore then Oubre would right now. He hasn’t been very good this year.


Pacers need a F, have too many guards, and have some cap space to burn.

GSW saves 10M in salary that way, which for them in taxes is something like 50M actual savings.

Wiggins is friendly with Joel and has played well vs. Boston in the playoffs previously.
ExplosionsInDaSky
RealGM
Posts: 21,403
And1: 5,521
Joined: Mar 17, 2004

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#446 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:37 am

Wiggins gives us a defensive presence at the wing position that can guard the likes of Tatum, Brown, SGA, Bridges... I think a fresh start would do him good.
youngcrev
RealGM
Posts: 28,786
And1: 9,699
Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Location: Philadelphia(ish)
   

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#447 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:58 pm

Might need to be part of a bigger deal for Atlanta (although they need to get their salary under control next year), but:

Marcus Morris, OKC 1st for Bogdan Bogdanovic

I like Bogdan's fit with our guard group as a 6th man. Holds his own enough defensively to play with Maxey. Great shooter. Can scale up playmaking a bit when necessary (could see him running 2 man game with Embiid in non-Maxey minutes).

His cap number is 17.2M next year, which would not preclude a cap space plan if that's the route they want to go still.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#448 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:50 pm

youngcrev wrote:Might need to be part of a bigger deal for Atlanta (although they need to get their salary under control next year), but:

Marcus Morris, OKC 1st for Bogdan Bogdanovic

I like Bogdan's fit with our guard group as a 6th man. Holds his own enough defensively to play with Maxey. Great shooter. Can scale up playmaking a bit when necessary (could see him running 2 man game with Embiid in non-Maxey minutes).

His cap number is 17.2M next year, which would not preclude a cap space plan if that's the route they want to go still.


If the Sixers are going to flip a 1st in a deal like this... let's go after DeAndre Hunter instead. Only makes a couple mill more than Bogdanovic.
youngcrev
RealGM
Posts: 28,786
And1: 9,699
Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Location: Philadelphia(ish)
   

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#449 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:53 pm

the_process wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Might need to be part of a bigger deal for Atlanta (although they need to get their salary under control next year), but:

Marcus Morris, OKC 1st for Bogdan Bogdanovic

I like Bogdan's fit with our guard group as a 6th man. Holds his own enough defensively to play with Maxey. Great shooter. Can scale up playmaking a bit when necessary (could see him running 2 man game with Embiid in non-Maxey minutes).

His cap number is 17.2M next year, which would not preclude a cap space plan if that's the route they want to go still.


If the Sixers are going to flip a 1st in a deal like this... let's go after DeAndre Hunter instead. Only makes a couple mill more than Bogdanovic.


I imagine they'd be less inclined to move a younger, starting wing than an older, backup guard.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#450 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:05 pm

youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Might need to be part of a bigger deal for Atlanta (although they need to get their salary under control next year), but:

Marcus Morris, OKC 1st for Bogdan Bogdanovic

I like Bogdan's fit with our guard group as a 6th man. Holds his own enough defensively to play with Maxey. Great shooter. Can scale up playmaking a bit when necessary (could see him running 2 man game with Embiid in non-Maxey minutes).

His cap number is 17.2M next year, which would not preclude a cap space plan if that's the route they want to go still.


If the Sixers are going to flip a 1st in a deal like this... let's go after DeAndre Hunter instead. Only makes a couple mill more than Bogdanovic.


I imagine they'd be less inclined to move a younger, starting wing than an older, backup guard.


Sure, but from the same perspective the Sixers should be far less inclined to pay a 1st for an older, backup guard than a younger starting wing.
youngcrev
RealGM
Posts: 28,786
And1: 9,699
Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Location: Philadelphia(ish)
   

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#451 » by youngcrev » Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:25 pm

the_process wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
If the Sixers are going to flip a 1st in a deal like this... let's go after DeAndre Hunter instead. Only makes a couple mill more than Bogdanovic.


I imagine they'd be less inclined to move a younger, starting wing than an older, backup guard.


Sure, but from the same perspective the Sixers should be far less inclined to pay a 1st for an older, backup guard than a younger starting wing.


I think Bogdanovic is a good player on a good contract, and worthy of giving up a low upside 1st for, provided that fits into whatever the ultimate plan is.

I don't really see how Hunter factors in if they don't want to deal him. If he's available, sure, I'd prefer him. Or both?

Tobias/Both 1sts from LAC deals
For
Hunter/Bogdanovic

?
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#452 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:57 pm

youngcrev wrote:
the_process wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
I imagine they'd be less inclined to move a younger, starting wing than an older, backup guard.


Sure, but from the same perspective the Sixers should be far less inclined to pay a 1st for an older, backup guard than a younger starting wing.


I think Bogdanovic is a good player on a good contract, and worthy of giving up a low upside 1st for, provided that fits into whatever the ultimate plan is.

I don't really see how Hunter factors in if they don't want to deal him. If he's available, sure, I'd prefer him. Or both?

Tobias/Both 1sts from LAC deals
For
Hunter/Bogdanovic

?


The Hawks need to change things up, and they have Johnson and Griffin and Bey who should be playing all the F minutes.

Both of the 1sts from the Clipper deal going out essentially makes it Morey's all in move. Can't see him trying to sell those guys as an all in move.

Maybe you can facilitate a deal elsewhere?

The Warriors are in massive need of a shakeup as well.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#453 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:14 pm

Tobias and the OKC 1st for Keldon Johnson and Doug McDermott?

Gets the Sixers under the tax. Young guy locked up on a declining deal. Still should have somewhere around 35M to play with in FA?

IDK.
Covi_Marsh
Senior
Posts: 587
And1: 394
Joined: Nov 20, 2018
       

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#454 » by Covi_Marsh » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:32 pm

the_process wrote:
Covi_Marsh wrote:
the_process wrote:Wiggins to the Sixers
TJ, Korkmaz, and the 26 OKC 1st to GSW
Morris to IND


TJMcConnell for Marcus Morris? Prolly should leave the Pacers out of this. I don’t see why they would do that.

Marcus Morris, Korkmaz, and 26 OKC 1st for Wiggins.
Idk if Wiggins would give us anymore then Oubre would right now. He hasn’t been very good this year.


Pacers need a F, have too many guards, and have some cap space to burn.

GSW saves 10M in salary that way, which for them in taxes is something like 50M actual savings.

Wiggins is friendly with Joel and has played well vs. Boston in the playoffs previously.


They have too many SGs. They gave 2 PGs. Haliburton and TJ. I understand why Warriors do it. I think they’d moved Hield before they’d move TJ.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#455 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:35 pm

Covi_Marsh wrote:
the_process wrote:
Covi_Marsh wrote:
TJMcConnell for Marcus Morris? Prolly should leave the Pacers out of this. I don’t see why they would do that.

Marcus Morris, Korkmaz, and 26 OKC 1st for Wiggins.
Idk if Wiggins would give us anymore then Oubre would right now. He hasn’t been very good this year.


Pacers need a F, have too many guards, and have some cap space to burn.

GSW saves 10M in salary that way, which for them in taxes is something like 50M actual savings.

Wiggins is friendly with Joel and has played well vs. Boston in the playoffs previously.


They have too many SGs. They gave 2 PGs. Haliburton and TJ. I understand why Warriors do it. I think they’d moved Hield before they’d move TJ.


I'm pretty sure that when healthy they have Nembhard playing the point, but okay.
Covi_Marsh
Senior
Posts: 587
And1: 394
Joined: Nov 20, 2018
       

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#456 » by Covi_Marsh » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:38 pm

While we are looking for a 3rd star, we have to recognize that all our newfound wing depth are on 1 year deals. Batum Covington Oubre Harris all gone. Batum is the perfect fit. Defense, shooting and BBIQ. Oubre has the defense and shooting, without the passing BBIQ. I think we need to replace what Batum brings. I’d also bring Oubre back even at 15-20 mil. I love Reed but realistically he doesn’t bring much more than what a vet minimum big would bring. If I need an extra 10 mil for depth I’d move him.
PhillyFan11
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,466
And1: 600
Joined: Jun 23, 2018

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#457 » by PhillyFan11 » Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:56 pm

the_process wrote:Tobias and the OKC 1st for Keldon Johnson and Doug McDermott?

Gets the Sixers under the tax. Young guy locked up on a declining deal. Still should have somewhere around 35M to play with in FA?

IDK.


I want Johnson but I feel like the Spurs would go a different route than getting 1 mediocre 2026 1st if they are going to trade him, not sure clearing cap space is really on their agenda …just don’t know what that price would be.

Morris + Springer + OKC ‘26 1st + our ‘28 1st?
User avatar
Ben
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 26,806
And1: 2,941
Joined: Feb 09, 2006

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#458 » by Ben » Thu Dec 14, 2023 10:54 pm

mjkvol wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Trading for Zach Lavine would be the equivalent of re-signing Tobias Harris to a max contract for four more years. I will explode with anger if we trade for him. There is just no way Morey is that short-sighted as a GM. Lavine isn't even a Morey type of player. We just escaped both James Harden and PJ Tucker and came out of it somehow better off. Trading for Lavine would put us right back in to cap hell again with no future.


Exactly. And that "no future" would be defined as second round exits for as long as Embiid remained here, and then a quick descent back to Lottery Hell. In short - a trade for Lavine brings The Process to a most pathetic conclusion.


Y'all may remember that I defended the idea of trading Harden for Lavine way back before Zach's injury troubles and mediocre play this season, IF the Clippers refused to give up a semi-decent return for Harden. I reasoned that the Sixers could still get some kind of defensive wing support and that Lavine could play with PatBev, and Maxey playing with Melton or another, bigger defensive 2. But somehow Kelly Oubre was available for the minimum, and he's been about as good offensively as Lavine, and without a $40+M multi-contract. Anyone rumoring Lavine to the Sixers must have forgotten about Oubre.

Lavine playing at full capacity isn't necessarily an albatross to all teams. His contract will get less onerous as max numbers keep going up. But at this point, with Lavine playing not well or not at all (because of injury), it's silly to regard him as a trade asset. To be honest I don't know why the Bulls would be trying to trade him at his lowest value ever, unless they know even worse things about his health prospects than the rest of us do.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#459 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:10 pm

PhillyFan11 wrote:
the_process wrote:Tobias and the OKC 1st for Keldon Johnson and Doug McDermott?

Gets the Sixers under the tax. Young guy locked up on a declining deal. Still should have somewhere around 35M to play with in FA?

IDK.


I want Johnson but I feel like the Spurs would go a different route than getting 1 mediocre 2026 1st if they are going to trade him, not sure clearing cap space is really on their agenda …just don’t know what that price would be.

Morris + Springer + OKC ‘26 1st + our ‘28 1st?


Keldon would replace Tobias so Tobi is going out. Spurs need him in their locker room, anyway. McD matches salary.

They want Springer? Absolutely. KJ Martin? Get him a plane ticket. Five 2nd round picks? There you go. But the line has to be drawn at one 1st. You can't do two for a lower impact guy.
the_process
RealGM
Posts: 29,415
And1: 10,462
Joined: May 01, 2010

Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#460 » by the_process » Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:16 pm

John Collins is already available again. Apparently Utah is frustrated he hasn't fully picked up their systems yet.

I mean, you want to avoid the low BBIQ guys as much as possible, but Oubre has thrived here (other than "getting hit by a car").

Ainge is usually ridiculous, but if they would take Tobi and a handful of 2nds for Collins and Olynyk? That is something that could be very helpful.

Return to Philadelphia 76ers