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bleedblue3303 wrote:Call me a sucker for hype. But I think we should take a chance on James Wiseman. Looking like he won't live up tot he potential but maybe can get him to a place where he is a great backup center.
Jeffrey wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:Jeffrey wrote:
Chicago is on the brink of trading away their players... half of RealGMers are waiting for Giannis still.
None of those transactions will concern the Knicks.
It does when other teams in the Eastern Conference climbs the ladder while we stay where we are. See Cavs when they traded for Donovon Mitchell.
I am not saying that any of those players will help but if we're going to sit here and wait for Embiid or Giannis or SGA then what are we really trying to do with this core? Y'all are fickle with who you want... we haven't won anything since the 70s.
I actually don't mind getting DeRozan in a 3 way trade so we can see how far we can go with 4 guys that can go 20+ any night. He will be a rental for 1 year and y'all don't need to stomach a Lavine's contract for multiple years.
How about Bojan from Detroit?!
Yes, Zion Williamson laid an egg in Vegas last Thursday, and the unavoidable comparison didn't help his cause. The 23-year-old appeared about a quarter as sprightly as the 38-year-old LeBron James, as the Pelicans lost to the Lakers 133-89 in the semifinal round of the In-Season Tournament. Williamson had 13 points on 6-of-8 shooting, with two rebounds, three assists, and three turnovers in 26 minutes of a game that largely consisted of garbage time. He did not look conditioned enough for the two-way demands of the NBA, and frequently caught his breath instead of dialing in on defense or on the glass. Williamson had been playing well recently, but that performance was enough for the bloviating class to declare open season on the poor Pelicans forward.
The TNT nu-vaudeville routine of Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal addressed Williamson with uncharacteristic sincerity, as if urging a troubled youth back on track. "Somebody has got to get a hold of him." Barkley said after Thursday's game. "'Cause he got so much talent. He's going to be somewhat successful, but he could be special. I don't know if he has a Moses Malone, who told me I was fat and lazy. He owns that organization already." Comparing the Pelicans star to himself, O'Neal said that Williamson "does not run hard" and "does not rebound," referencing his own early career follies.
The weekend offered no respite for Williamson. On Monday's episode of First Take, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith was claiming he had sources in the Louisiana culinary community and passing along their reports verbatim. "You got chefs in New Orleans who love him, they're looking for him," he said. "The word out on Zion Williamson is that 'he'll eat the table.' I'm quoting." Smith doubled down on his gastronomical reportage on Tuesday, supposedly after talking to Williamson's stepfather. He was trying to help Williamson, you see, by telling him "what they're saying about you behind your back."
moocow007 wrote:On Williamson...Yes, Zion Williamson laid an egg in Vegas last Thursday, and the unavoidable comparison didn't help his cause. The 23-year-old appeared about a quarter as sprightly as the 38-year-old LeBron James, as the Pelicans lost to the Lakers 133-89 in the semifinal round of the In-Season Tournament. Williamson had 13 points on 6-of-8 shooting, with two rebounds, three assists, and three turnovers in 26 minutes of a game that largely consisted of garbage time. He did not look conditioned enough for the two-way demands of the NBA, and frequently caught his breath instead of dialing in on defense or on the glass. Williamson had been playing well recently, but that performance was enough for the bloviating class to declare open season on the poor Pelicans forward.
The TNT nu-vaudeville routine of Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal addressed Williamson with uncharacteristic sincerity, as if urging a troubled youth back on track. "Somebody has got to get a hold of him." Barkley said after Thursday's game. "'Cause he got so much talent. He's going to be somewhat successful, but he could be special. I don't know if he has a Moses Malone, who told me I was fat and lazy. He owns that organization already." Comparing the Pelicans star to himself, O'Neal said that Williamson "does not run hard" and "does not rebound," referencing his own early career follies.
The weekend offered no respite for Williamson. On Monday's episode of First Take, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith was claiming he had sources in the Louisiana culinary community and passing along their reports verbatim. "You got chefs in New Orleans who love him, they're looking for him," he said. "The word out on Zion Williamson is that 'he'll eat the table.' I'm quoting." Smith doubled down on his gastronomical reportage on Tuesday, supposedly after talking to Williamson's stepfather. He was trying to help Williamson, you see, by telling him "what they're saying about you behind your back."
I know folks hate Randle but the notion that the same people that hate Randle are going to end up absolutely despising Williamson is very real. To bank on the "he doesn't want to be in NO and if you simply swapped the 'O' for 'Y' he'd be fired up is a pretty risky gamble. To eat himself to his current state, given the talent and overall positivity he has there with the Pelicans is alarming. And you can only blame everyone else but Zion so much (and we know how Knick fans LOVE to blame their "best player").
Randle at the very least produces and he produces at an extremely high level that just is not superstar level. A 300+lb Williamson isn't going to be able to produce at a superstar level either. So if Knick fans are ok with getting a Randle like level player production then ok. But that's not how fans work right? They want to trade for the superstar Zion and expect superstar Zion. What happens if (and right now very likely when) you aren't getting superstar Zion? What happens when you get the current version of Zion who has played more than 29 games in a season just once in his 5 year NBA career (let me repeat...he has played more than 29 games a season just one time in 5 years due every single bit to poor conditioning)?
Rhetorical questions of course. We know exactly what will happen. Knick fans will look to burn him at the stake like never before for disappointing them and not being able to do the impossible. What Knick fans did to Marbury, Melo, etc. will seem like a WS parade. Him wanting to be in NY as a driver for Zion to become a better player? Marbury and Melo both also wanted to be in NY and that didn't change either of their spots either did it?
On the flip side, if I was Zion's advisors the absolute last place I'd suggest he try to go to would be NY cause it's an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen. Can you imagine the absolute venom that will be slung at him in MSG if swapping the "O" for the "Y" doesn't do diddly to get him to rethink his NBA existence.
moocow007 wrote:On Williamson...Yes, Zion Williamson laid an egg in Vegas last Thursday, and the unavoidable comparison didn't help his cause. The 23-year-old appeared about a quarter as sprightly as the 38-year-old LeBron James, as the Pelicans lost to the Lakers 133-89 in the semifinal round of the In-Season Tournament. Williamson had 13 points on 6-of-8 shooting, with two rebounds, three assists, and three turnovers in 26 minutes of a game that largely consisted of garbage time. He did not look conditioned enough for the two-way demands of the NBA, and frequently caught his breath instead of dialing in on defense or on the glass. Williamson had been playing well recently, but that performance was enough for the bloviating class to declare open season on the poor Pelicans forward.
The TNT nu-vaudeville routine of Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal addressed Williamson with uncharacteristic sincerity, as if urging a troubled youth back on track. "Somebody has got to get a hold of him." Barkley said after Thursday's game. "'Cause he got so much talent. He's going to be somewhat successful, but he could be special. I don't know if he has a Moses Malone, who told me I was fat and lazy. He owns that organization already." Comparing the Pelicans star to himself, O'Neal said that Williamson "does not run hard" and "does not rebound," referencing his own early career follies.
The weekend offered no respite for Williamson. On Monday's episode of First Take, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith was claiming he had sources in the Louisiana culinary community and passing along their reports verbatim. "You got chefs in New Orleans who love him, they're looking for him," he said. "The word out on Zion Williamson is that 'he'll eat the table.' I'm quoting." Smith doubled down on his gastronomical reportage on Tuesday, supposedly after talking to Williamson's stepfather. He was trying to help Williamson, you see, by telling him "what they're saying about you behind your back."
I know folks hate Randle but the notion that the same people that hate Randle are going to end up absolutely despising Williamson is very real. To bank on the "he doesn't want to be in NO and if you simply swapped the 'O' for 'Y' he'd be fired up is a pretty risky gamble. To eat himself to his current state, given the talent and overall positivity he has there with the Pelicans is alarming. And you can only blame everyone else but Zion so much (and we know how Knick fans LOVE to blame their "best player").
Randle at the very least produces and he produces at an extremely high level that just is not superstar level. A 300+lb Williamson isn't going to be able to produce at a superstar level either. So if Knick fans are ok with getting a Randle like level player production then ok. But that's not how fans work right? They want to trade for the superstar Zion and expect superstar Zion. What happens if (and right now very likely when) you aren't getting superstar Zion? What happens when you get the current version of Zion who has played more than 29 games in a season just once in his 5 year NBA career (let me repeat...he has played more than 29 games a season just one time in 5 years due every single bit to poor conditioning)?
Rhetorical questions of course. We know exactly what will happen. Knick fans will look to burn him at the stake like never before for disappointing them and not being able to do the impossible. What Knick fans did to Marbury, Melo, etc. will seem like a WS parade. Him wanting to be in NY as a driver for Zion to become a better player? Marbury and Melo both also wanted to be in NY and that didn't change either of their spots either did it?
On the flip side, if I was Zion's advisors the absolute last place I'd suggest he try to go to would be NY cause it's an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen. Can you imagine the absolute venom that will be slung at him in MSG if swapping the "O" for the "Y" doesn't do diddly to get him to rethink his NBA existence.
Iron Mantis wrote:If Zion didn't have issues to fix, there wouldn't even be a chance to get him in a trade.
23 year old star with an insane ceiling? If you're not trading away your entire future to get him, you take that chance...period.
Randle, Quickley for Zion is a good risk reward trade for the Knicks.
Knicks don't seem to care about signing Quickley....and Randle is about to be 30, hasn't shown he can bring it in the playoffs, and is coming up on a new contract.
If the Pels are with it ..you do it.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
Iron Mantis wrote:If Zion didn't have issues to fix, there wouldn't even be a chance to get him in a trade.
23 year old star with an insane ceiling? If you're not trading away your entire future to get him, you take that chance...period.
Randle, Quickley for Zion is a good risk reward trade for the Knicks.
Knicks don't seem to care about signing Quickley....and Randle is about to be 30, hasn't shown he can bring it in the playoffs, and is coming up on a new contract.
If the Pels are with it ..you do it.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
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aggo wrote:moocow007 wrote:On Williamson...Yes, Zion Williamson laid an egg in Vegas last Thursday, and the unavoidable comparison didn't help his cause. The 23-year-old appeared about a quarter as sprightly as the 38-year-old LeBron James, as the Pelicans lost to the Lakers 133-89 in the semifinal round of the In-Season Tournament. Williamson had 13 points on 6-of-8 shooting, with two rebounds, three assists, and three turnovers in 26 minutes of a game that largely consisted of garbage time. He did not look conditioned enough for the two-way demands of the NBA, and frequently caught his breath instead of dialing in on defense or on the glass. Williamson had been playing well recently, but that performance was enough for the bloviating class to declare open season on the poor Pelicans forward.
The TNT nu-vaudeville routine of Charles Barkley and Shaquille O'Neal addressed Williamson with uncharacteristic sincerity, as if urging a troubled youth back on track. "Somebody has got to get a hold of him." Barkley said after Thursday's game. "'Cause he got so much talent. He's going to be somewhat successful, but he could be special. I don't know if he has a Moses Malone, who told me I was fat and lazy. He owns that organization already." Comparing the Pelicans star to himself, O'Neal said that Williamson "does not run hard" and "does not rebound," referencing his own early career follies.
The weekend offered no respite for Williamson. On Monday's episode of First Take, ESPN's Stephen A. Smith was claiming he had sources in the Louisiana culinary community and passing along their reports verbatim. "You got chefs in New Orleans who love him, they're looking for him," he said. "The word out on Zion Williamson is that 'he'll eat the table.' I'm quoting." Smith doubled down on his gastronomical reportage on Tuesday, supposedly after talking to Williamson's stepfather. He was trying to help Williamson, you see, by telling him "what they're saying about you behind your back."
I know folks hate Randle but the notion that the same people that hate Randle are going to end up absolutely despising Williamson is very real. To bank on the "he doesn't want to be in NO and if you simply swapped the 'O' for 'Y' he'd be fired up is a pretty risky gamble. To eat himself to his current state, given the talent and overall positivity he has there with the Pelicans is alarming. And you can only blame everyone else but Zion so much (and we know how Knick fans LOVE to blame their "best player").
Randle at the very least produces and he produces at an extremely high level that just is not superstar level. A 300+lb Williamson isn't going to be able to produce at a superstar level either. So if Knick fans are ok with getting a Randle like level player production then ok. But that's not how fans work right? They want to trade for the superstar Zion and expect superstar Zion. What happens if (and right now very likely when) you aren't getting superstar Zion? What happens when you get the current version of Zion who has played more than 29 games in a season just once in his 5 year NBA career (let me repeat...he has played more than 29 games a season just one time in 5 years due every single bit to poor conditioning)?
Rhetorical questions of course. We know exactly what will happen. Knick fans will look to burn him at the stake like never before for disappointing them and not being able to do the impossible. What Knick fans did to Marbury, Melo, etc. will seem like a WS parade. Him wanting to be in NY as a driver for Zion to become a better player? Marbury and Melo both also wanted to be in NY and that didn't change either of their spots either did it?
On the flip side, if I was Zion's advisors the absolute last place I'd suggest he try to go to would be NY cause it's an absolute catastrophe waiting to happen. Can you imagine the absolute venom that will be slung at him in MSG if swapping the "O" for the "Y" doesn't do diddly to get him to rethink his NBA existence.
I dont think you can win with Randle on a roster
but
someone posted 10 clips of Zion vs LAL. those 10 clips in 1 game were worse than anything randle has done for an entire season.