What Happened To Star-J Barrett?

[Guano]

The only thing that makes rj being a bust palatable is the internal turmoil all you who hated on Chanel have to carry.

Because he is right and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to work when you see rj hold his 3 point shot on another bricked 3 or when he drives into 2 defenders and throws up some sht that had no chance.

[KNICKFAN374]

If/when he goes on another 10 game hot streak, instead of thinking "he's arrived", we need to strike while the iron is hot and look to trade him. I'm of, and always have been of the belief that the real RJ is what we've recently seen, not the one that started the season playing well. When he is not scoring (usually inefficiently), he simply doesn't add much. He forces shots, is not a good shooter, can't finish at the rim. Players like Hart & DDV add so much more to this team. I don't care if he's 23, 24, 25 or 26 ... he is who he is.

[3toheadmelo]

i really thought rj was making that leap to start the season. but it was too good to be true. it's just unfortunate he's basically the same player since he was in duke. honestly, he might have to do what cam is doing on the lakers. forget about trying to be a star, just try to be a high level 3 and D guy. another player who did that is NAW and hes been pretty valuable himself on the timberwolves as well. just forget about trying to be an ISO guy and forcing up shots. he's not that guy.

[KNICKFAN374]

i really thought rj was making that leap to start the season. but it was too good to be true. it's just unfortunate he's basically the same player since he was in duke. honestly, he might have to do what cam is doing on the lakers. forget about trying to be a star, just try to be a high level 3 and D guy. another player who did that is NAW and hes been pretty valuable himself on the timberwolves as well. just forget about trying to be an ISO guy and forcing up shots. he's not that guy.

I mostly agree except that Cam is a way better athlete & can also finish at the rim. I also think Cam's shooting form is superior to RJ's. I can't see RJ ever being a 3&D guy as he doesn't do either well enough. He mostly only looks to get his, that's the player that he is & I unfortunately can't see that changing. I'm not sure why we continue to give him so many minutes & touches, it's baffling.

[DOT]

I mostly agree except that Cam is a way better athlete & can also finish at the rim. I also think Cam's shooting form is superior to RJ's.

This is what I mean about y'all just straight up making fan fiction about Cam

Cam is 242/405 for his career at the rim, which is 59.8%

RJ is 911/1,502 for his career, which is 60.7%

So RJ shoots more efficiently at the rim than Cam on nearly 4 times as many attempts

On 3s, Cam is at 245/758 for his career, or 32.3% compared to RJ at 480/1396, or 34.4%. Even if you take out RJ's best year, he's 357/1087, or 32.8%. So what if you think his form is superior, he's objectively a worse shooter than RJ on almost half the attempts

Cam's also a year older than RJ, so the idea he's some young prospect who just needs to develop doesn't track either

It's been 5 years. Like RJ, Cam is who he is at this point. The only thing he does consistently at an NBA level is shoot free throws.

[god shammgod]

i really thought rj was making that leap to start the season. but it was too good to be true. it's just unfortunate he's basically the same player since he was in duke. honestly, he might have to do what cam is doing on the lakers. forget about trying to be a star, just try to be a high level 3 and D guy. another player who did that is NAW and hes been pretty valuable himself on the timberwolves as well. just forget about trying to be an ISO guy and forcing up shots. he's not that guy.

i've said it many times before. he's been treated like a star here so he acts like one. he needs to go to another team before he can accept that he's not. it won't happen here. the amount of usage we've given to a guy of his limited talents for 4 plus years is obscene. he's not built for it.

[3toheadmelo]

im not even a cam fan like that but the lakers have been much better since cam has been named as starter. they're 11-3 with cam as a starter and he's shooting 45/40/85. all he does is take open 3's and play great defense. its been working. knicks need to limit rj's role to something like that but it will never happen. maybe on a different team.

[treachery]

What makes it even juicier is all the browbeating us Barf-J skpetics had to endure when he had his small run of good games this season.

We were lectured and berated- even Macri was forced at near gunpoint to eat crow, which was frankly ridiculous.

The first time I saw him on the court, saw how sluggish and robotic he was, I knew right away that he wasn't it.

He's a slow, low IQ, low-efficiency ballhog with good character. He has a knack for seizing 'the moment', but more often a knack for some spectacularly awful statlines like the 3/16 embarrassment he saddled us with last night.

Of course, we never trade these bums when they're at their highest value- we should be burning up the phones to unload Randle instead of waiting for his inevitable playoff collapse when he's a toxic asset again.

[KNICKFAN374]

I mostly agree except that Cam is a way better athlete & can also finish at the rim. I also think Cam's shooting form is superior to RJ's.

This is what I mean about y'all just straight up making fan fiction about Cam

Cam is 242/405 for his career at the rim, which is 59.8%

RJ is 911/1,502 for his career, which is 60.7%

So RJ shoots more efficiently at the rim than Cam on nearly 4 times as many attempts

On 3s, Cam is at 245/758 for his career, or 32.3% compared to RJ at 480/1396, or 34.4%. Even if you take out RJ's best year, he's 357/1087, or 32.8%. So what if you think his form is superior, he's objectively a worse shooter than RJ on almost half the attempts

Cam's also a year older than RJ, so the idea he's some young prospect who just needs to develop doesn't track either

It's been 5 years. Like RJ, Cam is who he is at this point. The only thing he does consistently at an NBA level is shoot free throws.

This is not about comparing Cam to RJ, it's not fair. RJ has been force fed & given consistent minutes & constant touches, it's way easier to get into the flow in that regard. I don't think anyone can argue that Cam is a way better finisher & a better defender. I have believed & still believe that Cam, given RJ's minutes & touches would be more productive (which isn't saying much as RJ simply isn't that good). Neither Cam or RJ move without the ball like a Hart or DDV, I love those guys.

[Capn'O]

i really thought rj was making that leap to start the season. but it was too good to be true. it's just unfortunate he's basically the same player since he was in duke. honestly, he might have to do what cam is doing on the lakers. forget about trying to be a star, just try to be a high level 3 and D guy. another player who did that is NAW and hes been pretty valuable himself on the timberwolves as well. just forget about trying to be an ISO guy and forcing up shots. he's not that guy.

i've said it many times before. he's been treated like a star here so he acts like one. he needs to go to another team before he can accept that he's not. it won't happen here. the amount of usage we've given to a guy of his limited talents for 4 plus years is obscene. he's not built for it.

That's probably true. Not dissimilar to Cam. I disagree with Melo about what his ideal role would be but he's not becoming what we hoped he would here.

[DOT]

This is not about comparing Cam to RJ, it's not fair. RJ has been force fed & given consistent minutes & constant touches, it's way easier to get into the flow in that regard. I don't think anyone can argue that Cam is a way better finisher & a better defender. I have believed & still believe that Cam, given RJ's minutes & touches would be more productive (which isn't saying much as RJ simply isn't that good). Neither Cam or RJ move without the ball like a Hart or DDV, I love those guys.

And some people don't care about facts, they have belief the earth is flat

You know what we call those people?

Morons.

[KNICKFAN374]

This is not about comparing Cam to RJ, it's not fair. RJ has been force fed & given consistent minutes & constant touches, it's way easier to get into the flow in that regard. I don't think anyone can argue that Cam is a way better finisher & a better defender. I have believed & still believe that Cam, given RJ's minutes & touches would be more productive (which isn't saying much as RJ simply isn't that good). Neither Cam or RJ move without the ball like a Hart or DDV, I love those guys.

And some people don't care about facts, they have belief the earth is flat

You know what we call those people?

Morons.

Not going to call you names ... I don't base how good a guy is on whether the Knicks drafted him or if he is supposed to be good. You maybe thought Frank was going to be good like alot of homers because we drafted him, I wasn't unrealistic to think he was good either. I don't look at things that way, I just watch the games & get a feel for what's going on & then call it like it is. Sorry if that bothers you.

[treachery]

Has there ever been a better time to realistically pry Zion from the pelicans? Randle is on a tear while Zion is probably at his lowest market value since he entered the league.

Obviously lots of red flags, but it would also set our timeline back exchanging a 29 year old Randle for a considerably younger Zion.

And the pelicans are actually looking to compete – this isn’t another tanking year for them, where they wouldn’t want a guy like Randle, this is the rare point in time when he actually would make sense for them.

We could really come up with a highly competitive offer in the current climate, though I doubt that this front office would ever do something this radical.

[Chanel Bomber]

The only thing that makes rj being a bust palatable is the internal turmoil all you who hated on Chanel have to carry.

Because he is right and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to work when you see rj hold his 3 point shot on another bricked 3 or when he drives into 2 defenders and throws up some sht that had no chance.

thankie

[god shammgod]

i really thought rj was making that leap to start the season. but it was too good to be true. it's just unfortunate he's basically the same player since he was in duke. honestly, he might have to do what cam is doing on the lakers. forget about trying to be a star, just try to be a high level 3 and D guy. another player who did that is NAW and hes been pretty valuable himself on the timberwolves as well. just forget about trying to be an ISO guy and forcing up shots. he's not that guy.

i've said it many times before. he's been treated like a star here so he acts like one. he needs to go to another team before he can accept that he's not. it won't happen here. the amount of usage we've given to a guy of his limited talents for 4 plus years is obscene. he's not built for it.

That's probably true. Not dissimilar to Cam. I disagree with Melo about what his ideal role would be but he's not becoming what we hoped he would here.

yeah, he's not gonna be a 3 & d guy. he's a better player than cam but he has a less useful skill set if he's not a star. (although let's see if cam can actually shoot a decent percentage all year long before we call him a success story.) that's what people sometimes don't understand. people were pushing back when i said everybody would want og and nobody really wants rj. but og has elite role player skills, rj does not. so if rj is not gonna be a guy who can be one of your top scoring options, he's worth a lot less around the league than a guy who you can plug into just about any team and make work. just being better, if you think that about rj, doesn't really matter. he's not a guy who fits any role that great. he's probably a "jack of all trades, master of none" bench guy who you play a lot when he has it going and you bench quickly when he doesn't.

[3toheadmelo]

i've said it many times before. he's been treated like a star here so he acts like one. he needs to go to another team before he can accept that he's not. it won't happen here. the amount of usage we've given to a guy of his limited talents for 4 plus years is obscene. he's not built for it.

That's probably true. Not dissimilar to Cam. I disagree with Melo about what his ideal role would be but he's not becoming what we hoped he would here.

yeah, he's not gonna be a 3 & d guy. he's a better player than cam but he has a less useful skill set if he's not a star. (although let's see if cam can actually shoot a decent percentage all year long before we call him a success story.) that's what people sometimes don't understand. people were pushing back when i said everybody would want og and nobody really wants rj. but og has elite role player skills, rj does not. so if rj is not gonna be a guy who can be one of your top scoring options, he's worth a lot less around the league than a guy who you can plug into just about any team and make work. just being better, if you think that about rj, doesn't really matter. he's not a guy who fits any role that great. he's probably a "jack of all trades, master of none" bench guy who you play a lot when he has it going and you bench quickly when he doesn't.

sounds like Caris levert

[god shammgod]

That's probably true. Not dissimilar to Cam. I disagree with Melo about what his ideal role would be but he's not becoming what we hoped he would here.

yeah, he's not gonna be a 3 & d guy. he's a better player than cam but he has a less useful skill set if he's not a star. (although let's see if cam can actually shoot a decent percentage all year long before we call him a success story.) that's what people sometimes don't understand. people were pushing back when i said everybody would want og and nobody really wants rj. but og has elite role player skills, rj does not. so if rj is not gonna be a guy who can be one of your top scoring options, he's worth a lot less around the league than a guy who you can plug into just about any team and make work. just being better, if you think that about rj, doesn't really matter. he's not a guy who fits any role that great. he's probably a "jack of all trades, master of none" bench guy who you play a lot when he has it going and you bench quickly when he doesn't.

sounds like Caris levert

that's a good comparison

[G_K_F]

Keldon Johnson > RJ Barrett

[Capn'O]

i've said it many times before. he's been treated like a star here so he acts like one. he needs to go to another team before he can accept that he's not. it won't happen here. the amount of usage we've given to a guy of his limited talents for 4 plus years is obscene. he's not built for it.

That's probably true. Not dissimilar to Cam. I disagree with Melo about what his ideal role would be but he's not becoming what we hoped he would here.

yeah, he's not gonna be a 3 & d guy. he's a better player than cam but he has a less useful skill set if he's not a star. (although let's see if cam can actually shoot a decent percentage all year long before we call him a success story.) that's what people sometimes don't understand. people were pushing back when i said everybody would want og and nobody really wants rj. but og has elite role player skills, rj does not. so if rj is not gonna be a guy who can be one of your top scoring options, he's worth a lot less around the league than a guy who you can plug into just about any team and make work. just being better, if you think that about rj, doesn't really matter. he's not a guy who fits any role that great. he's probably a "jack of all trades, master of none" bench guy who you play a lot when he has it going and you bench quickly when he doesn't.

I have a hard time pinning down what his ideal role would be because I don't really have a comp. He has a unique skillset and I don't necessarily mean unique in a good way. I can't recall a player with such strength and power going downhill who is also so limited once he gets there. It's a conundrum.

At Duke I compared him with fellow Dukie Corey Maggette. Maybe that's it

[god shammgod]

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