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76ciology wrote:LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Og overrated at this point
Specially for what we’re going to give up for him.
It’s not like Raps is just gonna accept Marcus Morris and picks for him. We need to trade Batum or Roco. So overall it’s just a minimal upgrade relative to what you need to give up.
Sixerscan wrote:76ciology wrote:LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Og overrated at this point
Specially for what we’re going to give up for him.
It’s not like Raps is just gonna accept Marcus Morris and picks for him. We need to trade Batum or Roco. So overall it’s just a minimal upgrade relative to what you need to give up.
Why would they have to add Batum or Cov? Morris matches the salary.
76ciology wrote:Sixerscan wrote:76ciology wrote:
Specially for what we’re going to give up for him.
It’s not like Raps is just gonna accept Marcus Morris and picks for him. We need to trade Batum or Roco. So overall it’s just a minimal upgrade relative to what you need to give up.
Why would they have to add Batum or Cov? Morris matches the salary.
Agree on the salary match.
But thats what the Raps guys are telling me at trade board. They also need someone who can be a difference maker because they dont have their pick this year because of the Poetl trade.
76ciology wrote:Sixerscan wrote:76ciology wrote:
Specially for what we’re going to give up for him.
It’s not like Raps is just gonna accept Marcus Morris and picks for him. We need to trade Batum or Roco. So overall it’s just a minimal upgrade relative to what you need to give up.
Why would they have to add Batum or Cov? Morris matches the salary.
Agree on the salary match.
But thats what the Raps guys are telling me at trade board. They also need someone who can be a difference maker because they dont have their pick this year because of the Poetl trade.
76ciology wrote:elchengue20 wrote:76ciology wrote:
He’s an upgrade with or without that 3 ball.
Prior to this stretch he was shooting 21 % from 3 for the season, that would be a problem. He's still at 25%.
What i mean is, if he start to shoot a little better, it's so clear he's better than Tobias that i think nobody can dispute it.
And what I mean is even if he’s shooting 21% from 3, he’s a clear upgrade than Tobias.
And Siakam on our team is a clear upgrade than OG on our team. Because we added size, solve the scoring problem when Biid is not playing or not 100%, doesnt have spacing issue and still maintain wing depth and will have more draft picks because he’d cost less.
elchengue20 wrote:76ciology wrote:elchengue20 wrote:
Prior to this stretch he was shooting 21 % from 3 for the season, that would be a problem. He's still at 25%.
What i mean is, if he start to shoot a little better, it's so clear he's better than Tobias that i think nobody can dispute it.
And what I mean is even if he’s shooting 21% from 3, he’s a clear upgrade than Tobias.
And Siakam on our team is a clear upgrade than OG on our team. Because we added size, solve the scoring problem when Biid is not playing or not 100%, doesnt have spacing issue and still maintain wing depth and will have more draft picks because he’d cost less.
Nah, shooting 20% from three is awful, you gonna pay that come Playoff team by having Biid double teamed without mercy. You are going to absolutely have an spacing issue.
76ciology wrote:Spoiler:
Zumramania wrote:NYSixersFan wrote:FireMorey wrote:Saw some Sixers fans clamoring for Bojan last night.
I'd rather have the Atlanta Bogdonovic
I think Bojan is actually better, he is a bit underrated in my opinion and would fit great into our team because he is like a role player who can score like a star. He doesn't need that much space but he would thrive with the spacing he would get here. He is good in both shooting and driving to the rim, which is not true for guys like Melton and Tobias. And he is strong both physically and mentally, he does not shy away from big moments nor does he get discouraged if he's off to a bad start. He just keeps going. The only reservation I have about him is his defense, I am not sure how good of a defender is he.
Atlanta Bogdanovic is good, surely a more well rounded player than Bojan, but I think he has a bit of a problem with big moments and with defenses focusing on him. At the 2023 World cup he played well until Serbia faced Germany and they defended Bogdanovic well. One could see he got discouraged and looked lost on the court while far lesser players from his team were taking the shots. This is not a good look, it gives off Tobias vibes.
Sixerscan wrote:Yeah i don’t think Covington is going to make a difference in them stinking so them holding up a trade over that would be silly. They can have Furkan.
SixthStreet wrote:I don't really like any of the options. But I feel like we have to do something to use up the cap flexibility now given our assortment of expirings at all ranges of salary. None of the rumored players make much sense. Morey's going to have to acquire a player not currently rumored to make a real difference for this team.
76ciology wrote:elchengue20 wrote:76ciology wrote:
And what I mean is even if he’s shooting 21% from 3, he’s a clear upgrade than Tobias.
And Siakam on our team is a clear upgrade than OG on our team. Because we added size, solve the scoring problem when Biid is not playing or not 100%, doesnt have spacing issue and still maintain wing depth and will have more draft picks because he’d cost less.
Nah, shooting 20% from three is awful, you gonna pay that come Playoff team by having Biid double teamed without mercy. You are going to absolutely have an spacing issue.
Not true because you can make the defender pay if they send help
You just cant do that with Pj Tucker because he is only near as tall as DeAnthony Melton so he can’t finish in the paint when timelord is around him.76ciology wrote:Spoiler:
76ciology wrote:Sixerscan wrote:Yeah i don’t think Covington is going to make a difference in them stinking so them holding up a trade over that would be silly. They can have Furkan.
Let’s say we can win the bid war with trading Morris and 3 unprotected first round picks.
I still think we are too small with OG 6’7” and Tobias 6’7” (he only has a 8’7” standing reach with below average vertical, comparable to having Klay Thompson at PF) at the 3&4. Probably the smallest 3&4 duo.
I think OG gives us a lot of what we already have with Batum, Oubre and Roco.
I also dont think the trade would equip us in scenarios where Embiid is not playing at his 100% and is not playing at all where we need someone who can be a scoring threat that defense has to send help defense with, which Siakam has done for his team for the last 2-3 seasons.
SF: Batum-Oubre
PF: Siakam-Roco
C: Biid-Reed
Looks mode like a Nuggets-Raps hybrid team which is what we are trying to do and the size Nurse seems to prefer
elchengue20 wrote:76ciology wrote:elchengue20 wrote:
Nah, shooting 20% from three is awful, you gonna pay that come Playoff team by having Biid double teamed without mercy. You are going to absolutely have an spacing issue.
Not true because you can make the defender pay if they send help
You just cant do that with Pj Tucker because he is only near as tall as DeAnthony Melton so he can’t finish in the paint when timelord is around him.76ciology wrote:Spoiler:
Jokic is the best big man passer of all time and Gordon is one of the best dunkers of all time.
Also Gordon shot 39% in their Playoff run from 3.
Sixerscan wrote:76ciology wrote:Sixerscan wrote:Yeah i don’t think Covington is going to make a difference in them stinking so them holding up a trade over that would be silly. They can have Furkan.
Let’s say we can win the bid war with trading Morris and 3 unprotected first round picks.
I still think we are too small with OG 6’7” and Tobias 6’7” (he only has a 8’7” standing reach with below average vertical, comparable to having Klay Thompson at PF) at the 3&4. Probably the smallest 3&4 duo.
I think OG gives us a lot of what we already have with Batum, Oubre and Roco.
I also dont think the trade would equip us in scenarios where Embiid is not playing at his 100% and is not playing at all where we need someone who can be a scoring threat that defense has to send help defense with, which Siakam has done for his team for the last 2-3 seasons.
SF: Batum-Oubre
PF: Siakam-Roco
C: Biid-Reed
Looks mode like a Nuggets-Raps hybrid team which is what we are trying to do and the size Nurse seems to prefer
I think you’re getting too hug up on general archetypes. He’s a significantly better defensive player than any of them. Also none of them are signed past this year and I don’t know how likely it is any are back. Batum and Cov are old and they don’t have birds on Oubre.
OG had 28 the other night, he’s averaged 17 a night as a 4th option on a playoff team, did the same in that series against us, he’s not a worthless offensive player or “just” 3&D. His ability to shoot is nice though since as I discuss below I’m not sure how many extra on ball possessions are available anyway.
I didn’t say anything about Siakam. I could live with him and I agree the size would be nice (though less important with Embiid versus other 5s) but the shooting is a real issue and I’m not nearly as concerned as you are about this trade addressing what happens if Embiid gets hurt. If Embiid gets hurt then we lose until he gets back.
I also really doubt Siakam comes in here and still averages 22 or whatever he’s been putting up in Toronto. There aren’t the on ball touches he needs available for that. It wouldn’t shock me if he averaged the same or even less than Tobias has (Tobias is a more willing shooter and has also played with Embiid for years at this point) and people quickly start complaining about him.
76ciology wrote:Sixerscan wrote:76ciology wrote:
Let’s say we can win the bid war with trading Morris and 3 unprotected first round picks.
I still think we are too small with OG 6’7” and Tobias 6’7” (he only has a 8’7” standing reach with below average vertical, comparable to having Klay Thompson at PF) at the 3&4. Probably the smallest 3&4 duo.
I think OG gives us a lot of what we already have with Batum, Oubre and Roco.
I also dont think the trade would equip us in scenarios where Embiid is not playing at his 100% and is not playing at all where we need someone who can be a scoring threat that defense has to send help defense with, which Siakam has done for his team for the last 2-3 seasons.
SF: Batum-Oubre
PF: Siakam-Roco
C: Biid-Reed
Looks mode like a Nuggets-Raps hybrid team which is what we are trying to do and the size Nurse seems to prefer
I think you’re getting too hug up on general archetypes. He’s a significantly better defensive player than any of them. Also none of them are signed past this year and I don’t know how likely it is any are back. Batum and Cov are old and they don’t have birds on Oubre.
OG had 28 the other night, he’s averaged 17 a night as a 4th option on a playoff team, did the same in that series against us, he’s not a worthless offensive player or “just” 3&D. His ability to shoot is nice though since as I discuss below I’m not sure how many extra on ball possessions are available anyway.
I didn’t say anything about Siakam. I could live with him and I agree the size would be nice (though less important with Embiid versus other 5s) but the shooting is a real issue and I’m not nearly as concerned as you are about this trade addressing what happens if Embiid gets hurt. If Embiid gets hurt then we lose until he gets back.
I also really doubt Siakam comes in here and still averages 22 or whatever he’s been putting up in Toronto. There aren’t the on ball touches he needs available for that. It wouldn’t shock me if he averaged the same or even less than Tobias has (Tobias is a more willing shooter and has also played with Embiid for years at this point) and people quickly start complaining about him.
I also could live with OG. While without Embiid, winning the championship seems close to impossible, but we should build a roster that can steal a win for 1 to 2 games when he's out or not at his 100%, like last season against the Celtics. Siakam over OG might move us in that direction.
OG is a better defender than Oubre, Roco, or Batum, but giving up 3 first-rounders for the upgrade doesn't seem worth it to me. He feels a bit redundant. At this point in the season, do you think we ever watch any of our games where it leaves you feeling that we need an upgrade for our defensive wings? I'm happy with Oubre, Roco, and Batum.
While I watch our games against the Pistons, Celts, and Wolves, and others across the league, I sense the need for an upgrade for Tobi, both in size and scoring ability. Teams are adding in size, Championship teams are typically big, and Maxey could use more support.
Give me Maxey, the depth of our defensive wings now, Siakam and Embiid. That would be enough to prepare us to win the championship.
ProcessDoctor wrote:^^^has Tobias vibes all over again, despite them being vastly different players. Tobias was "just entering his prime" when we traded for him but he never took a considerable leap compared to his last full year in LA.
Not opposed to OG the player, just the idea of trading multiple picks for him THEN paying him $40+ mil/year. That's all-star player package stuff, and OG isn't that and probably never will be.
Joel, Maxey and Harris: +8.2 net rating in 1018 possessions
Joel, Maxey and no Harris: +35.4 net rating in 112 possessions
Embiid On, Tobias Off: +19.7 NRTG
Embiid/Maxey On, Tobias Off: +20.3 NRTg
Embiid/Tobias On: +3.0 NRTG
4-0 when Embiid played and Tobias didn’t
