2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[cgf]

If Mikal is The Guy, then RJ + IQ + 1 RFP

Mikal isn't The Guy. He's exactly the kind of player I love and I'd be thrilled to have him, but we're seeing with the Nets that he doesn't have the self creation to be a top 2 option. That's why the Nets still rely on Dinwiddie in crunch time. He'd be a great fit who helped solidify our lineup, but he wouldn't change our ceiling and giving up both RJ & IQ for him would really handicap our offense...as it would leave Julius & Jalen as our only high level creators.

I think that I'm defining "The Guy" a little differently than you though we both appreciate the same things about his game. I don't think we need him be the guy who can ISO in crunch time. We already have Brunson and Randle for that. We need Mikal's defense and ability to knock down shots. Those skill you mention are exactly what we need. It's what RJ doesn't give us.

OG isn't that kind of player either but I think he would also make us a better team.

Again I like Mikal, I just don't think he meaningfully changes our ceiling so I wouldn't pay a premium for him. He would be a great fit with our starting lineup for the same reasons Grimes was when he was playing well, but what separates us from the Celtics/Bucks isn't that, it's that neither Julius nor Jalen are as good as Giannis or Tatum.

That's why I'd be more interested in more affordable options like OG, DFS, or Harrison Barnes.

[MrDollarBills]

John Collins is back on the block. Won't cost much at all. Fournier, small salary filler and very little in pick value should do it. He was traded to Utah for Rudy Gay (salary filler) and a 2nd round pick. He was my target if they were going to let Obi go and we get a chance to make that right.

Backup PF plus can play some small ball C next to Randle. Having a solid bounce back season efficiency wise. I felt last year was an outlier b/c his other seasons leading up to it he was solid for a big from 3PT land. Decent PnR threat at 1.24 PPP. For reference Mitch is our best PnR PPP at 1.25.

22 games as a starter - 31 MPG
14.5 PPG 8.6 RPG 0.9 APG 0.6 SPG 1.0 BPG
48.2% on 11.4 FGA
38.3% on 3.7 3PA
75.0% on 2.7 FTA
54.4% EFG 57.3% TS

Not a sexy or splashy move but will def address a need, especially with Mitch out.

I dunno, Collins is owed like 53m over the next two seasons, and he's a negative defensively. I think the guy is overrated personally but there has to be a better, more cost effective option to add to the froncourt

He's good. He's not great. Fournier is collecting dust. He's got a PO the same year as Brunson Randle (25/26) so maybe he opts out to get a long term deal with less per year. I'm a fan of the 1 3PT 1 BLK 1 STL guys

That's fair, and you're right if Fournier is sitting there sucking up 18m to do nothing, might as well do it (if the price is miniscule. Ainge is scum).

[MrDollarBills]

If Mikal is The Guy, then RJ + IQ + 1 RFP

Nets are waiting for Simmons' contract to become an expiring in hopes (futile hopes) of a trade for a star to pair with Bridges. I think there's a higher chance of guys like Royce O'Neale and Dorian Finney Smith being available.

Do you think that Mikal is a No. 2 Guy on a top tier EC team? I think he fits better as a no. 3.

I think he's a good Robin if you have a Batman type superstar. Otherwise, he's a solid number 3 guy that can go off for big nights every now and then.

[The Lamma]

NYK has a good relationship with the Pistons front office. I could see Fournier + protected pick for Bogs especially if we move Grimes or IQ in a separate deal.

Could see something like us giving them their pick back plus wiz pick in the exchange. But Thibs wouldn't use Bogs so idk.. more likely we use that package to get Burks lol

Could you imagine Thibs being happy with Bogs defense? I don’t get the talk when Frenchy is on the bench.
We get Bogs and we are a more solid mid team who just got older, less athletic and lost more assets.

Where are we going?

Here's something I don't understand about Thibs. Frenchy is on the bench because he doesn't play defense, right? So why is it acceptable for Julius to not even attempt to get back on defense at times? Thibs is supposed to be a hold people accountable guy, but for whatever reason, that doesn't apply to everyone. You wonder what his criteria is

All Bogs would need to do is figure out how to be put on Thibs' "does not apply" list.

[MrDollarBills]

Mikal isn't The Guy. He's exactly the kind of player I love and I'd be thrilled to have him, but we're seeing with the Nets that he doesn't have the self creation to be a top 2 option. That's why the Nets still rely on Dinwiddie in crunch time. He'd be a great fit who helped solidify our lineup, but he wouldn't change our ceiling and giving up both RJ & IQ for him would really handicap our offense...as it would leave Julius & Jalen as our only high level creators.

I think that I'm defining "The Guy" a little differently than you though we both appreciate the same things about his game. I don't think we need him be the guy who can ISO in crunch time. We already have Brunson and Randle for that. We need Mikal's defense and ability to knock down shots. Those skill you mention are exactly what we need. It's what RJ doesn't give us.

OG isn't that kind of player either but I think he would also make us a better team.

Again I like Mikal, I just don't think he meaningfully changes our ceiling so I wouldn't pay a premium for him. He would be a great fit with our starting lineup for the same reasons Grimes was when he was playing well, but what separates us from the Celtics/Bucks isn't that, it's that neither Julius nor Jalen are as good as Giannis or Tatum.

That's why I'd be more interested in more affordable options like OG, DFS, or Harrison Barnes.

DFS is the guy imo. Can slot in at 3 or 4, physical defender, good attitude and can hit the three currently at 44%. The asking price is most likely a first.

[cgf]

I think that I'm defining "The Guy" a little differently than you though we both appreciate the same things about his game. I don't think we need him be the guy who can ISO in crunch time. We already have Brunson and Randle for that. We need Mikal's defense and ability to knock down shots. Those skill you mention are exactly what we need. It's what RJ doesn't give us.

OG isn't that kind of player either but I think he would also make us a better team.

Again I like Mikal, I just don't think he meaningfully changes our ceiling so I wouldn't pay a premium for him. He would be a great fit with our starting lineup for the same reasons Grimes was when he was playing well, but what separates us from the Celtics/Bucks isn't that, it's that neither Julius nor Jalen are as good as Giannis or Tatum.

That's why I'd be more interested in more affordable options like OG, DFS, or Harrison Barnes.

DFS is the guy imo. Can slot in at 3 or 4, physical defender, good attitude and can hit the three currently at 44%. The asking price is most likely a first.

Yeah, I like DFS a lot. OG is attractive to me because he's such a great POA defender and that should help us avoid scrambling as much, which should mean better closeouts, but the price tag there makes me hesitate...both in terms of picks and contract...whereas DFS is signed to a good deal and the price would be fine for him even if we had to give up the 2 FRPs that the Nets reportedly wanted for him; as long as one of those could be one of our protected picks.

[The Lamma]

What do yall think Ainge would want for Markkanen?

Your wife, your kids, your new car, your used car, your front yard, your back yard, your lawn mower, your couch, everything in your fridge, your favorite books, your dog, your vacuum cleaner, and all the items from your most recently discarded vacuum cleaner bag

[cgf]

Could see something like us giving them their pick back plus wiz pick in the exchange. But Thibs wouldn't use Bogs so idk.. more likely we use that package to get Burks lol

Could you imagine Thibs being happy with Bogs defense? I don’t get the talk when Frenchy is on the bench.
We get Bogs and we are a more solid mid team who just got older, less athletic and lost more assets.

Where are we going?

Here's something I don't understand about Thibs. Frenchy is on the bench because he doesn't play defense, right? So why is it acceptable for Julius to not even attempt to get back on defense at times? Thibs is supposed to be a hold people accountable guy, but for whatever reason, that doesn't apply to everyone. You wonder what his criteria is

All Bogs would need to do is figure out how to be put on Thibs' "does not apply" list.

Because even with Brunson & Randle jogging back at times, neither is in Fournier's stratosphere of defensive liability, and both make a much bigger offensive impact to compensate.

Bogdanovic has neither the creation skills to bare a similarly large offensive responsibility, nor does he defend as well as Randle or Barrett. Hell he's not even as good as Brunson defensively.

[The Lamma]

Could you imagine Thibs being happy with Bogs defense? I don’t get the talk when Frenchy is on the bench.
We get Bogs and we are a more solid mid team who just got older, less athletic and lost more assets.

Where are we going?

Here's something I don't understand about Thibs. Frenchy is on the bench because he doesn't play defense, right? So why is it acceptable for Julius to not even attempt to get back on defense at times? Thibs is supposed to be a hold people accountable guy, but for whatever reason, that doesn't apply to everyone. You wonder what his criteria is

All Bogs would need to do is figure out how to be put on Thibs' "does not apply" list.

Because even with Brunson & Randle jogging back at times, neither is in Fournier's stratosphere of defensive liability, and both make a much bigger offensive impact to compensate.

Bogdanovic has neither the creation skills to bare a similarly large offensive responsibility, nor does he defend as well as Randle or Barrett. Hell he's not even as good as Brunson defensively.

When he became our coach, I thought he'd be the kind of guy that if he saw a player doing that even one time, he'd call a timeout, chew out the player, and yank his ass out of the game.

It also surprises me that he's ok with players *RJ cough cough* posing after shooting a three. That fcker will still be posing even after it's bounced 2 yards high off the rim, when instead he could be trying to get in a better spot to rebound it, or getting back on D

[HarthorneWingo]

I think that I'm defining "The Guy" a little differently than you though we both appreciate the same things about his game. I don't think we need him be the guy who can ISO in crunch time. We already have Brunson and Randle for that. We need Mikal's defense and ability to knock down shots. Those skill you mention are exactly what we need. It's what RJ doesn't give us.

OG isn't that kind of player either but I think he would also make us a better team.

Again I like Mikal, I just don't think he meaningfully changes our ceiling so I wouldn't pay a premium for him. He would be a great fit with our starting lineup for the same reasons Grimes was when he was playing well, but what separates us from the Celtics/Bucks isn't that, it's that neither Julius nor Jalen are as good as Giannis or Tatum.

That's why I'd be more interested in more affordable options like OG, DFS, or Harrison Barnes.

DFS is the guy imo. Can slot in at 3 or 4, physical defender, good attitude and can hit the three currently at 44%. The asking price is most likely a first.

I think we should be interested in him as a Plan B. A very good Plan B. I like him. RJ for DFS straight up?

[Capn'O]

I just did this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7924146

+ the rights to Jokubaitus.

Ehhhhhhh.... I'd probably do it. I think Rokas can be nice but we're not going to bring him over so at least get something. Utah may be a situation that could utilize him. I'd look at other options first (Mikal, DFS, Rui, and others) but it should be on the table.



And cgf - I have to respectfully disagree here. Brunson, Mikal, Randle has a higher ceiling than what we currently have by a good margin. Mikal is one of those super role players like Klay who mitigates the flaws of our stars with spacing, heady decisions, and good defensive play. He fills in the gaps where RJ creates duplicity. We could be a LOT better with him.

I also would love to inquire about Keldon Johnson.

[The Lamma]

Again I like Mikal, I just don't think he meaningfully changes our ceiling so I wouldn't pay a premium for him. He would be a great fit with our starting lineup for the same reasons Grimes was when he was playing well, but what separates us from the Celtics/Bucks isn't that, it's that neither Julius nor Jalen are as good as Giannis or Tatum.

That's why I'd be more interested in more affordable options like OG, DFS, or Harrison Barnes.

DFS is the guy imo. Can slot in at 3 or 4, physical defender, good attitude and can hit the three currently at 44%. The asking price is most likely a first.

Yeah, I like DFS a lot. OG is attractive to me because he's such a great POA defender and that should help us avoid scrambling as much, which should mean better closeouts, but the price tag there makes me hesitate...both in terms of picks and contract...whereas DFS is signed to a good deal and the price would be fine for him even if we had to give up the 2 FRPs that the Nets reportedly wanted for him; as long as one of those could be one of our protected picks.

This. If you're looking to make a move for OG, you'd have to keep in mind that you will have to pay twice. You're paying picks/assets first, then second, his reported salary demands are sky high for what you'd have to pay to retain him. Apparently he's looking for 35-40 mil iirc.

He is a great fit, and elite at what he does best. But that's a lot

[dakomish23]

Fournier Grimes all the picks for Mikal. That's been my standing offer for a while. Would love him here. I'd hate to see Grimes go but that's who they'd want

[j4remi]

What do yall think Ainge would want for Markkanen?

Your wife, your kids, your new car, your used car, your front yard, your back yard, your lawn mower, your couch, everything in your fridge, your favorite books, your dog, your vacuum cleaner, and all the items from your most recently discarded vacuum cleaner bag

If it goes like last trade negotiations with the Jazz, this hits a snag when Gerson Rosas demands a swap on the vacuum cleaner bag front.

[dakomish23]

What do yall think Ainge would want for Markkanen?

I think he's OKC bound. Maybe Mikal too if Presti wants to kick it into hyperdrive

SGA Giddey
Mikal Joe
J Dub Dort
Lauri
Chet

[The Lamma]

Thought we'd see a few moves by now since today is Dec 15th. This is the day the majority of players who signed new deals in free agency last summer are eligible to be dealt.

Total of 81 players https://clutchpoints.com/nba-players-eligible-traded-dec-15

[sol537]

1) Randle + IQ for Zion
2) RJ + Grimes + picks for Spida

Mitch / Zion / Hart / Spida / Brunson (eventually find a stretch big to replace Mitch)

[HarthorneWingo]

What do yall think Ainge would want for Markkanen?

Your wife, your kids, your new car, your used car, your front yard, your back yard, your lawn mower, your couch, everything in your fridge, your favorite books, your dog, your vacuum cleaner, and all the items from your most recently discarded vacuum cleaner bag

[Spree2Houston]

What do yall think Ainge would want for Markkanen?

Your wife, your kids, your new car, your used car, your front yard, your back yard, your lawn mower, your couch, everything in your fridge, your favorite books, your dog, your vacuum cleaner, and all the items from your most recently discarded vacuum cleaner bag

Also your bank accounts, your job, your clothes, your skin, your nails, your organs, your bones

[cgf]

I just did this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7924146

+ the rights to Jokubaitus.

Ehhhhhhh.... I'd probably do it. I think Rokas can be nice but we're not going to bring him over so at least get something. Utah may be a situation that could utilize him. I'd look at other options first (Mikal, DFS, Rui, and others) but it should be on the table.



And cgf - I have to respectfully disagree here. Brunson, Mikal, Randle has a higher ceiling than what we currently have by a good margin. Mikal is one of those super role players like Klay who mitigates the flaws of our stars with spacing, heady decisions, and good defensive play. He fills in the gaps where RJ creates duplicity. We could be a LOT better with him.

I also would love to inquire about Keldon Johnson.

He'd make us better, but he's not the difference between going into a series with the Bucks and Celtics as underdogs and meeting them on level footing. RJ is a bit redundant with the starters, but having him and IQ keeping the pressure on teams when Julius & Jalen rest is really important for our offense. They keep teams in foul trouble and scrambling.