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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#41 » by GoBobs » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:36 am

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JustBuzzin wrote:What would we want back in a Rozier trade?

Pretty sure some contenders will come calling if he keeps playing like this.


I'll just keep saying unless the deal is ridiculous he's fine where he's at. In his prime on a great contract playing out of his mind.


and keeps racking up the L's

still don't think he's a winning player


More likely the bench giving us 9 pts total is the problem, or having one of the lowest payroll in the league, or not spending for a better coach. Hard to blame the guy who went for 30.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#42 » by SWedd523 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:57 am

Last few minutes of the game

1. Bonehead play by Miles leads to an easy cut bucket

2. Bonehead play by Miles leads to another easy cut bucket

3. Bonehead inbounds leads to a turnover

4. Bonehead weak box out by Nick leads to ORB on a FT


I'll continue to say this team will never win until they cut out the collective brain rot stupidity that permeates the locker room.

Stupid, low IQ decision making by everyone from Cliff down to the waterboy.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#43 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:03 am

EmpireFalls wrote:Rozier is really not all that far off LaVine in trade value.


Except roziers contract is amazing compared to Lavines and as of right now he's by far the better player. This year anyway.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#44 » by KingCat » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:41 am

Roizer is an excellent piece if he is willing to be a ultra 6th man, and then fill in guy for Lamelo when he inevitably misses time.

Only issue is it is a big question mark if Terry is willing to come off the bench. He wasn't happy doing so for a contender in Boston.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#45 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:45 am

KingCat wrote:Roizer is an excellent piece if he is willing to be a ultra 6th man, and then fill in guy for Lamelo when he inevitably misses time.

Only issue is it is a big question mark if Terry is willing to come off the bench. He wasn't happy doing so for a contender in Boston.


Why would he or why would we want him to come off the bench?
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#46 » by SWedd523 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:46 am

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KingCat wrote:Roizer is an excellent piece if he is willing to be a ultra 6th man, and then fill in guy for Lamelo when he inevitably misses time.

Only issue is it is a big question mark if Terry is willing to come off the bench. He wasn't happy doing so for a contender in Boston.


Why would he or why would we want him to come off the bench?

I know you defend him a lot so I'll ask directly

Do you think a Melo/Rozier backcourt can be a successful playoff pairing?
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#47 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:49 am

Rozier is averaging off the top of my head 24 4 and 7 on 47 percent shooting 40 percent from deep and is quite literally the only reason we even make games interesting and were still on this 6th man thing? I can't be the only on here that thinks that's just insanity. If anyone should have a lower back contusion it's rozier and not mark from at least trying to carry this stupid team. Bring him off the bench. Lol good lord.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#48 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:52 am

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KingCat wrote:Roizer is an excellent piece if he is willing to be a ultra 6th man, and then fill in guy for Lamelo when he inevitably misses time.

Only issue is it is a big question mark if Terry is willing to come off the bench. He wasn't happy doing so for a contender in Boston.


Why would he or why would we want him to come off the bench?

I know you defend him a lot so I'll ask directly

Do you think a Melo/Rozier backcourt can be a successful playoff pairing?


I really and honestly do. Especially when Miller becomes the player I think he can be. Rozier with the way he is playing and his contract currently is a ridiculous asset. I just don't get this bring him off the bench kind of stuff. Everyone wants a 3 and D defender alongside Melo. But who would we get? Marcus Smart? Memphis would drink hard liquor for 4 months celebrating if we traded rozier for him straight up right now.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#49 » by KingCat » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:53 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Rozier is averaging off the top of my head 24 4 and 7 on 47 percent shooting 40 percent from deep and is quite literally the only reason we even make games interesting and were still on this 6th man thing? I can't be the only on here that thinks that's just insanity. If anyone should have a lower back contusion it's rozier and not mark from at least trying to carry this stupid team. Bring him off the bench. Lol good lord.


There is no world that a Roizer and Ball backcourt will accomplish anything. Style don't compliment each other and defense is embarrassing.

If one wants to argue that we should keep Terry over Lamelo, then I'd heavily disagree but can somewhat understand due to Lamelo's injury scares. I cannot understand someone thinking that Ball-Roizer is a long term partnership.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#50 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:54 am

I just think rozier has kind of gotten **** on most of his tenure here. Some of it deservedly so, some of it not, and he's balling out right now and some still want to trade him for a rotten coffee table. Irritates me. That's all.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#51 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:56 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:Rozier is averaging off the top of my head 24 4 and 7 on 47 percent shooting 40 percent from deep and is quite literally the only reason we even make games interesting and were still on this 6th man thing? I can't be the only on here that thinks that's just insanity. If anyone should have a lower back contusion it's rozier and not mark from at least trying to carry this stupid team. Bring him off the bench. Lol good lord.


There is no world that a Roizer and Ball backcourt will accomplish anything. Style don't compliment each other and defense is embarrassing.

If one wants to argue that we should keep Terry over Lamelo, then I'd heavily disagree but can somewhat understand due to Lamelo's injury scares. I cannot understand someone thinking that Ball-Roizer is a long term partnership.


And what 2 guard would you want beside Lamelo? Enlighten me.

Edit: someone that is actually attainable

Edit again: and no one would ever argue terry over lamelo. Not anyone with a brain anyway.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#52 » by KingCat » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:02 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I just think rozier has kind of gotten **** on most of his tenure here. Some of it deservedly so, some of it not, and he's balling out right now and some still want to trade him for a rotten coffee table. Irritates me. That's all.


Chill. I just said I like Terry, but the sad reality is he plays the same role as our best player and is not a fit style wise. An identical situation happened to golden state with Ellis and Curry. Sometimes you gotta go for addition by subtraction.

As for a SG next to Ball? Off the top of my head OG at 3 and then sliding Miller to full time 2. Melton would also look pretty solid with Melo.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#53 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:05 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:I just think rozier has kind of gotten **** on most of his tenure here. Some of it deservedly so, some of it not, and he's balling out right now and some still want to trade him for a rotten coffee table. Irritates me. That's all.


Chill. I just said I like Terry, but the sad reality is he plays the same role as pur best player and is not a fit style wise. An identical situation happened to golden state with Ellis and Curry. Sometimes you gotta go for addition my subtraction.

As for a SG next to Ball? Off the top of my head OG at 3 and then sliding Miller to full time 2. Melton would also look pretty solid with Melo.


Lol my man I'm chill. We're not getting OG. The Raptors think he's the next coming of Jesus and if they trade him they're rebuilding which they should've done 2 years ago. Melton would be a godsend. He's not attainable.

Edit: Melton was a perfect response and would be amazing.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#54 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:12 am

To any of you I'm sorry if I come off aggressive at times. I just want to win. Hornets, panthers, Canes aren't even in the playoffs currently, duke is meh. My bad.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#55 » by SWedd523 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:15 am

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Why would he or why would we want him to come off the bench?

I know you defend him a lot so I'll ask directly

Do you think a Melo/Rozier backcourt can be a successful playoff pairing?


I really and honestly do. Especially when Miller becomes the player I think he can be. Rozier with the way he is playing and his contract currently is a ridiculous asset. I just don't get this bring him off the bench kind of stuff. Everyone wants a 3 and D defender alongside Melo. But who would we get? Marcus Smart? Memphis would drink hard liquor for 4 months celebrating if we traded rozier for him straight up right now.

I can respect that.

I disagree, but I can respect it. Nothing at all against Terry as an individual player. He's just not the guy we need next to Melo IMO.

Personally I think Miller is the 2 next to Melo long term. I'd be more than fine with Terry as the 6th man (first guard), but I don't think the two can coexist on a playoff team.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#56 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:20 am

SWedd523 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:I know you defend him a lot so I'll ask directly

Do you think a Melo/Rozier backcourt can be a successful playoff pairing?


I really and honestly do. Especially when Miller becomes the player I think he can be. Rozier with the way he is playing and his contract currently is a ridiculous asset. I just don't get this bring him off the bench kind of stuff. Everyone wants a 3 and D defender alongside Melo. But who would we get? Marcus Smart? Memphis would drink hard liquor for 4 months celebrating if we traded rozier for him straight up right now.

I can respect that.

I disagree, but I can respect it. Nothing at all against Terry as an individual player. He's just not the guy we need next to Melo IMO.

Personally I think Miller is the 2 next to Melo long term. I'd be more than fine with Terry as the 6th man (first guard), but I don't think the two can coexist on a playoff team.


And I respect your opinion. At least you rationalize it. Not saying king didn't on here earlier because he did but this trade terry just to trade him is nauseating to me. He's an asset. Gordon is an asset. If we trade him and get correct value for them I'm fine for it. I'd rather not trade terry because he's just a bucket, but Hayward yeah he has to go. Like, now.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#57 » by fatlever » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:30 am

rozier is a lot like cj. cj wored tonight because he's almost always paired with an elite defender - dyson, jose, herb.
melo would work great next to those guys, so would terry.
melo and terry together means the rest of the roster better be A+ defenders.
love terry, love melo, dont love terry and melo together. best case is replicating old portland - cj/lillard... just have 50 pts in your backcourt and hope it works to outscore
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#58 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:40 am

fatlever wrote:rozier is a lot like cj. cj wored tonight because he's almost always paired with an elite defender - dyson, jose, herb.
melo would work great next to those guys, so would terry.
melo and terry together means the rest of the roster better be A+ defenders.
love terry, love melo, dont love terry and melo together. best case is replicating old portland - cj/lillard... just have 50 pts in your backcourt and hope it works to outscore


I get that. I'd like to see Melo rozier miller miles and Mark together for a 50 plus game sample size.

That will never happen though. Unfortunately.
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#59 » by fatlever » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:43 am

all that said, terry has been amazing lately
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Re: GT: Charlotte vs Pelicans 12/15 7PM ET 

Post#60 » by amcoolio » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:03 am

congrats to terry for another great offensive outing

he also is yet again the most negative +/- player, doesn’t try on defense, and we keep losing, and once again have no shot at the playoffs and it’s only december

we have very few smart players that play the game correctly or do the little things

so sorry for not being too happy for terry for this absolute **** show

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