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Celts Break the Curse, Make Magic Disappear! Victory Cigar vs ORL 12/15

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Who smokes the big cigar?

Tatum
19
18%
Brown
25
24%
Jrue
0
No votes
White
8
8%
Stevens
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No votes
Pritchard
31
30%
Hauser
10
10%
Brissett
0
No votes
Queta
1
1%
Other/Coach/Team
10
10%
 
Total votes: 104

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Re: Celts Break the Curse, Make Magic Disappear! Victory Cigar vs ORL 12/15 

Post#61 » by BK_2020 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:11 am

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BK_2020 wrote:Imagine if Jaylen and Tatum weren't 2 for 14 from the three, most of them on open or wide open shots.

I don't get why they seem to have regressed at shooting 3s these past few years.


Shot selection.

Jaylen had the openest of open threes tonight. Tatum's shots were also mostly good although there were some questionable pull ups.
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Post#62 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:13 am

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Half-Full wrote:My vote goes to Coach and the bench. Nice to see some of our bench players getting some relevant minutes, and doing a good job. Anyone out there still thinking Payton is not a valuable member of the team? He's been a spark of late, and I'm pleased to see it. I know some forum members have been down on him, but he has a great team first attitude, plays hard, and his shot is coming around. He also has his fans here. Count me as one.

Coach has been using Pritchard wrong imo. He's still at his best as a shooting guard, setting himself up in the corner or wing for a swing/kickout pass, relocating if need be instead of wasting his energy and everyone's time dribbling the ball aimlessly. With White, JB, and Jrue with the ball, he can just spot up. He's great at pushing the ball in transition but in the half court, he can't be the primary ballhandler. All of his scores below were assisted.



PP is just the 4th Celtics player (McCarty, Brogdon, Smart) this century with 20+ pts, 5+ assists, and 5+ threes off the bench.


He gets into the lane more often than you'd expect. But he can't do anything in the mid-range. No floater or push shot. So I basically agree with you but I'd like to see him develop a mid-range on-the-run game.

He gets to the lane after dribbling 10+ secs but doesn't give the team any sort of advantage -- can't pull up or doesn't draw defense so he could kick out to open teammate -- so we end up resetting. The most "success" he has as a dribbler is when he goes down the baseline under the basket and finds a cutter or corner shooter.
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Post#63 » by Tatumfor2 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:15 am

What a game!

JT
JB
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PP
SH
WTF!!

Coach Joe was great too! Wish I could vote team twice!
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Post#64 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:51 am

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The best defense of his career!

I don't think he realizes what it's like to play All-NBA defense. That's delusion talk but if it helps him become a more well-rounded player and improve on his weaknesses, who are we to stop him.

The level of delusion is wild, and you don't even need to watch BK's clips to notice. Reality is here, and Brown's perception is aaaall the way there.
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Post#65 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:19 am

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The best defense of his career!

I don't think he realizes what it's like to play All-NBA defense. That's delusion talk but if it helps him become a more well-rounded player and improve on his weaknesses, who are we to stop him.

The level of delusion is wild, and you don't even need to watch BK's clips to notice. Reality is here, and Brown's perception is aaaall the way there.

Yep still gets lost in team defense too much and helps when he shouldn’t etc. He’s improved though this year so that’s something.
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Post#66 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:21 am

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ConstableGeneva wrote:I don't think he realizes what it's like to play All-NBA defense. That's delusion talk but if it helps him become a more well-rounded player and improve on his weaknesses, who are we to stop him.

The level of delusion is wild, and you don't even need to watch BK's clips to notice. Reality is here, and Brown's perception is aaaall the way there.

Yep still gets lost in team defense too much and helps when he shouldn’t etc. He’s improved though this year so that’s something.

Agreed, but he's nowhere near all-defensive team. The other day he complained that his critics don't watch the games, and now he's implying that those who do watch the games don't notice his super-awesome defense. We're all oblivious to his greatness.

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Post#67 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:38 am

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SuperDeluxe wrote:The level of delusion is wild, and you don't even need to watch BK's clips to notice. Reality is here, and Brown's perception is aaaall the way there.

Yep still gets lost in team defense too much and helps when he shouldn’t etc. He’s improved though this year so that’s something.

Agreed, but he's nowhere near all-defensive team. The other day he complained that his critics don't watch the games, and now he's implying that those who do watch the games don't notice his super-awesome defense. We're all oblivious to his greatness.

Live look at Jaylen:

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I doubt JB watches a lot of games around the league to compare his super awesome work.

To be fair he has mostly been good 1 on 1 this year, but not near all defense team. Wouldn’t make a fifth all defense team.

But we know JB is not short on confidence in himself and does get whiney if others don’t vocally share his views.

However on the whole I’ve been really happy with him lately and hope this Jaylen sticks…even if it’s not near all defense team.
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Post#68 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:07 am

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This game ended up as our 3rd best offensive performance of the season (per CTG ORtg). Our top two performances were against the two worst defenses in the league (WAS, IND). Celtics overtook the Magic as the 3rd best defense after the win.
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Post#69 » by 165bows » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:45 am

SuperDeluxe wrote:
Mr_Mojo_Risin wrote:
SuperDeluxe wrote:The level of delusion is wild, and you don't even need to watch BK's clips to notice. Reality is here, and Brown's perception is aaaall the way there.

Yep still gets lost in team defense too much and helps when he shouldn’t etc. He’s improved though this year so that’s something.

Agreed, but he's nowhere near all-defensive team. The other day he complained that his critics don't watch the games, and now he's implying that those who do watch the games don't notice his super-awesome defense. We're all oblivious to his greatness.

Live look at Jaylen:

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Tbf he watched Smart win DPOY on the heels of a big campaign and I don’t think Smart was close to as good as he once was when he won it.
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Post#70 » by sam_I_am » Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:56 pm

JB may be delusional about his defense but his defense has been superb. He has the talent to be that good on defense which is why he was in the playoff rotation as a rookie. JB sets goals and works his ass off to try to get there. I for one hope this delusion works its way into his brain and becomes an obsession with him. I have always thought he could be an all-NBA-defense type of guy - I never imagined him as a 27 ppg scorer, however.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#71 » by BK_2020 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:03 pm

Jaylen is good at a few things on defense but bad at a lot of things. Yesterday we saw one of the few things he's good at: guarding larger but slower ball handlers who's also not strong enough to overpower him. Not many good players like that in the league but Franz Wagner fits the mold, as did Harden in last year's playoffs.

To his credit he was very good in that role but if he tries to clamp players who are actually good at attacking off the bounce he either gives up a million points or gets in foul trouble. Still remember the hilarious moment last season when Jaylen tried to make it personal with Bones and started clapping at him then Bones just drove right by him and got fouled.
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Post#72 » by sam_I_am » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:33 pm

JB’s block of Allen when he was flying by and forced Allen to pump fake with a right hand contend only to block his shot with left hand was one of those Smart type of defining defensive plays. Not many players in NBA have the talent to make a play like that.

Anyway, my vote for VC is the small ball lineup. Having Stevens or Brissett at 5 with other 4 starters allows the team to play fast, to switch any time they want on defense and makes it easy to hide the lack of O those guys have. It’s what I expected when we signed those guys and is what we need to utilize the bench over 82 games. May not see it in playoffs but it’s a great way to limit wear and tear on KP and Horf.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#73 » by BK_2020 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:55 pm

Damn, I didn't even realize Queta fouled out. 18 minutes.
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Post#74 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:01 pm

I sincerely hope JB's defense rises to the level of an All-NBA defender. Him becoming a legit All-NBA defender (like Smart, White, Rondo, or Jrue) even with reduced offensive production can only impact the team positively. I wish the same for JT on top of his offensive responsibility.
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Post#75 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:02 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Damn, I didn't even realize Queta fouled out. 18 minutes.

You overestimated with the 24-minute prediction.
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Post#76 » by Gant » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:06 pm

In foul shortened minutes, Queta had surprisingly few rebounds, but his presence screwed up Banchero and Franz Wagner's drives, which killed the Celtics in previous games. His size caused those two to miss multiple lay ups. He also had three blocks. Queta has the potential to be a very good NBA player.
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Post#77 » by BK_2020 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:12 pm

sam_I_am wrote:JB’s block of Allen when he was flying by and forced Allen to pump fake with a right hand contend only to block his shot with left hand was one of those Smart type of defining defensive plays. Not many players in NBA have the talent to make a play like that.

Anyway, my vote for VC is the small ball lineup. Having Stevens or Brissett at 5 with other 4 starters allows the team to play fast, to switch any time they want on defense and makes it easy to hide the lack of O those guys have. It’s what I expected when we signed those guys and is what we need to utilize the bench over 82 games. May not see it in playoffs but it’s a great way to limit wear and tear on KP and Horf.

That block was only necessary though because Jaylen missed a rotation. That was one of those good result, bad process type of thing, and definitely not something I would bring up to Jaylen's credit.
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Post#78 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:14 pm

Lineup with Tatum at center (no Queta, no Stevens, no Brissett) were +9 in 7.4 minutes.
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Post#79 » by shackles10 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:50 pm

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fallguy wrote:Look at Hauser's minutes. Look at his box score.

He needs 30 mins a night.


especially since he is our best and most consistent defender :o

Yeah I said it.. come at me!!

Yeah, Sam's defense has really improved.

You can't pick on him anymore.


Not to nitpick but in the post I think you can still pick on him. On the perimeter though he’s super solid and can stay with guard and forwards really well. Luckily for us too nobody attacks him in the post much.
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Post#80 » by Sweet Serenity » Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:53 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:JB’s block of Allen when he was flying by and forced Allen to pump fake with a right hand contend only to block his shot with left hand was one of those Smart type of defining defensive plays. Not many players in NBA have the talent to make a play like that.

Anyway, my vote for VC is the small ball lineup. Having Stevens or Brissett at 5 with other 4 starters allows the team to play fast, to switch any time they want on defense and makes it easy to hide the lack of O those guys have. It’s what I expected when we signed those guys and is what we need to utilize the bench over 82 games. May not see it in playoffs but it’s a great way to limit wear and tear on KP and Horf.

That block was only necessary though because Jaylen missed a rotation. That was one of those good result, bad process type of thing, and definitely not something I would bring up to Jaylen's credit.


You’re reaching here mate.
I’ve rewatched the play & Jaylen looks like he was either cutting off the pass on the inside to the roller or cutting off a drive inside for Mitchell.
Even if was a missed rotation, everyone does it (even the best defenders). Not giving him credit for thinking quickly & saving an easy basket doesn’t do you any favours when people question whether your critiques of Jaylen are genuine or not.

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