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Post#701 » by AussieBuck » Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:57 pm

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BigO wrote:People complain about Portis's defense, yet if it's bad, why is the coach playing him way out in space on defense and away from the basket?

Because he's not a good rim protector either.

*Not defending Griff's defensive strategy.

Also never boxes out.

*Noting that Giannis doesn't either but he gets to lean on being the freak to mostly get away with it.
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Post#702 » by Profound23 » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:32 pm

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Definitely something we have to consider. His whistle would be much worse with us and he may not handle that well


Lol, I don't think we do. Lillard is averaging 8.5 attempts per game, Giannis 11.3. and top 5 in the league in FTA. We're getting the whistle.


lol you think we get a good whistle? Watch the fouls on Giannis from the Indiana game. He shot 32 free throws and he probably should have shot 45.

Then watch the whistle any moderate star gets and compare


There are games where I have seen us get a good whistle. But when it comes to crunch time in the playoffs or against the top teams it's unusual.


Giannis' FTA are not something to use because opposing teams are playing hack-a-Giannis and trying to stop him from attacking the rim.
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Post#703 » by BigO » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:44 pm

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BigO wrote:People complain about Portis's defense, yet if it's bad, why is the coach playing him way out in space on defense and away from the basket?

Because he's not a good rim protector either.

*Not defending Griff's defensive strategy.

Also never boxes out.

*Noting that Giannis doesn't either but he gets to lean on being the freak to mostly get away with it.



I'm not buying what you're selling. So he can't protect the rim and he doesn't box out, yet he somehow averaged almost 10 rebounds a game last season. And let me repeat what every coach will tell you, defensive rebounding is a critical part of playing defense.
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Post#704 » by skones » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:51 pm

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lol you think we get a good whistle? Watch the fouls on Giannis from the Indiana game. He shot 32 free throws and he probably should have shot 45.

Then watch the whistle any moderate star gets and compare


I think you just have to read your statement and stop at "he shot 32 free throws" and then just probably cut bait.

It's outrageous that anyone here can watch Giannis's bully ball downhill stuff ramming into other players time and again, actually initiating contact, and think he doesn't get a whistle. Every opposing team fan across the league complains about it when we play them. How spoiled do you want to be?


Let me know which one of the foul calls on Giannis was bad the other night. Giannis would shoot a lot more free throws on probably any other team but it would be outrageous on the Lakers or Celtics that’s for sure.

Again let me know of a star player in this league that gets a worse whistle than Giannis.


Oh, so you wanted him to shoot over 40 free throws got it. That doesn't sound ridiculous at all. This Giannis bubble perception thing is wild.

Name me a star player that gets a better whistle than Giannis. You're the one stating a totally subjective case while we have two dudes in the top 5 in FTA per contest. You'll have a real tough time cobbling together a case for a star getting this fantasy star whistle better than Giannis while they're shooting half the free throws.
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Post#705 » by Baddy Chuck » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:52 pm

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Baddy Chuck wrote:Because he's not a good rim protector either.

*Not defending Griff's defensive strategy.

Also never boxes out.

*Noting that Giannis doesn't either but he gets to lean on being the freak to mostly get away with it.



I'm not buying what you're selling. So he can't protect the rim and he doesn't box out, yet he somehow averaged almost 10 rebounds a game last season. And let me repeat what every coach will tell you, defensive rebounding is a critical part of playing defense.

Last season Bobby gave up 63% at the rim. (that's not good)
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Post#706 » by Profound23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:15 am

Don't know if this is where it should be posted but I really hope Kareem recovers.

Broken hips at his age/size could lead to his end eventually.
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Post#707 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:22 am

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I think you just have to read your statement and stop at "he shot 32 free throws" and then just probably cut bait.

It's outrageous that anyone here can watch Giannis's bully ball downhill stuff ramming into other players time and again, actually initiating contact, and think he doesn't get a whistle. Every opposing team fan across the league complains about it when we play them. How spoiled do you want to be?


Let me know which one of the foul calls on Giannis was bad the other night. Giannis would shoot a lot more free throws on probably any other team but it would be outrageous on the Lakers or Celtics that’s for sure.

Again let me know of a star player in this league that gets a worse whistle than Giannis.


Oh, so you wanted him to shoot over 40 free throws got it. That doesn't sound ridiculous at all. This Giannis bubble perception thing is wild.

Name me a star player that gets a better whistle than Giannis. You're the one stating a totally subjective case while we have two dudes in the top 5 in FTA per contest. You'll have a real tough time cobbling together a case for a star getting this fantasy star whistle better than Giannis while they're shooting half the free throws.


Again. Name a star player that you think gets a worse whistle than Giannis. I never said a word about Dame. It’s also not just about free throws it’s about all the bull ticky tack stuff for Giannis. If you actually think Smart would get a Celtics whistle here I have a bridge to sell you. I’m in that business

Are you actually a 6ers fan or something? What’s your problem?
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Post#708 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:26 am

Just saw Beal is out a few weeks again. Wow did we dodge a bullet there.
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Post#709 » by skones » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:35 am

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Let me know which one of the foul calls on Giannis was bad the other night. Giannis would shoot a lot more free throws on probably any other team but it would be outrageous on the Lakers or Celtics that’s for sure.

Again let me know of a star player in this league that gets a worse whistle than Giannis.


Oh, so you wanted him to shoot over 40 free throws got it. That doesn't sound ridiculous at all. This Giannis bubble perception thing is wild.

Name me a star player that gets a better whistle than Giannis. You're the one stating a totally subjective case while we have two dudes in the top 5 in FTA per contest. You'll have a real tough time cobbling together a case for a star getting this fantasy star whistle better than Giannis while they're shooting half the free throws.


Again. Name a star player that you think gets a worse whistle than Giannis. I never said a word about Dame. It’s also not just about free throws it’s about all the bull ticky tack stuff for Giannis. If you actually think Smart would get a Celtics whistle here I have a bridge to sell you. I’m in that business

Are you actually a 6ers fan or something? What’s your problem?


I don't have a problem. I'm being pretty realistic about the whistle Giannis actually gets, you are not.

As for Dame, of course you never said a word about him, because again, it goes completely against the agenda you're pushing. You were explicitly talking about the whistle in Milwaukee for Marcus Smart. That he wouldn't get it here, because we have a "Milwaukee whistle" while Lillard switched teams and is averaging the 2nd highest FTA per contest he's had in his career on his lowest shot volume since his sophomore campaign. It's a stark counter example to what you're talking about. Don't think that bridge business of yours is very successful.

Worse whistle than Giannis, Jokic. There are a lot more, it's pretty easy to find them.
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Post#710 » by PG Graveyard » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:41 am

skones wrote:
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Oh, so you wanted him to shoot over 40 free throws got it. That doesn't sound ridiculous at all. This Giannis bubble perception thing is wild.

Name me a star player that gets a better whistle than Giannis. You're the one stating a totally subjective case while we have two dudes in the top 5 in FTA per contest. You'll have a real tough time cobbling together a case for a star getting this fantasy star whistle better than Giannis while they're shooting half the free throws.


Again. Name a star player that you think gets a worse whistle than Giannis. I never said a word about Dame. It’s also not just about free throws it’s about all the bull ticky tack stuff for Giannis. If you actually think Smart would get a Celtics whistle here I have a bridge to sell you. I’m in that business

Are you actually a 6ers fan or something? What’s your problem?


I don't have a problem. I'm being pretty realistic about the whistle Giannis actually gets you are not.

As for Dame, of course you never said a word about him, because again, it goes completely against the agenda you're pushing. You were explicitly talking about the whistle in Milwaukee for Marcus Smart. That he wouldn't get it here, because we have a "Milwaukee whistle" while Lillard switched teams and is averaging the 2nd highest FTA per contest he's had in his career on his lowest shot volume since his sophomore campaign. It's a stark counter example to what you're talking about. Don't think that bridge business of yours is very successful.

Worse whistle than Giannis, Jokic. There are a lot more, it's pretty easy to find them.


My bridge business will be super successful with guys like you running around. Jokic bad whistle. Lol
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Post#711 » by Profound23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:42 am

skones wrote:
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Oh, so you wanted him to shoot over 40 free throws got it. That doesn't sound ridiculous at all. This Giannis bubble perception thing is wild.

Name me a star player that gets a better whistle than Giannis. You're the one stating a totally subjective case while we have two dudes in the top 5 in FTA per contest. You'll have a real tough time cobbling together a case for a star getting this fantasy star whistle better than Giannis while they're shooting half the free throws.


Again. Name a star player that you think gets a worse whistle than Giannis. I never said a word about Dame. It’s also not just about free throws it’s about all the bull ticky tack stuff for Giannis. If you actually think Smart would get a Celtics whistle here I have a bridge to sell you. I’m in that business

Are you actually a 6ers fan or something? What’s your problem?


I don't have a problem. I'm being pretty realistic about the whistle Giannis actually gets you are not.

As for Dame, of course you never said a word about him, because again, it goes completely against the agenda you're pushing. You were explicitly talking about the whistle in Milwaukee for Marcus Smart. That he wouldn't get it here, because we have a "Milwaukee whistle" while Lillard switched teams and is averaging the 2nd highest FTA per contest he's had in his career on his lowest shot volume since his sophomore campaign. It's a stark counter example to what you're talking about. Don't think that bridge business of yours is very successful.

Worse whistle than Giannis, Jokic. There are a lot more, it's pretty easy to find them.


Maybe there are stars who get a worse whistle than Giannis, but Jokic is not that answer. Even when he plays a soft, perimeter style of offense Joker gets to the FT line whenever someone touches him.

Giannis was just hit in the face on a dunk, no call. I doubt that happens to Jokic.
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Post#712 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:49 am

Jokic does get absolutely beat up in games too.
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Post#713 » by skones » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:53 am

Profound23 wrote:
skones wrote:
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Again. Name a star player that you think gets a worse whistle than Giannis. I never said a word about Dame. It’s also not just about free throws it’s about all the bull ticky tack stuff for Giannis. If you actually think Smart would get a Celtics whistle here I have a bridge to sell you. I’m in that business

Are you actually a 6ers fan or something? What’s your problem?


I don't have a problem. I'm being pretty realistic about the whistle Giannis actually gets you are not.

As for Dame, of course you never said a word about him, because again, it goes completely against the agenda you're pushing. You were explicitly talking about the whistle in Milwaukee for Marcus Smart. That he wouldn't get it here, because we have a "Milwaukee whistle" while Lillard switched teams and is averaging the 2nd highest FTA per contest he's had in his career on his lowest shot volume since his sophomore campaign. It's a stark counter example to what you're talking about. Don't think that bridge business of yours is very successful.

Worse whistle than Giannis, Jokic. There are a lot more, it's pretty easy to find them.


Maybe there are stars who get a worse whistle than Giannis, but Jokic is not that answer. Even when he plays a soft, perimeter style of offense Joker gets to the FT line whenever someone touches him.


He is. He was just ejected against Chicago for one of the softer penalties you'll ever see. He goes to the free throw line "whenever someone touches him" but only has 6.2 FTA per contest while getting two more paint touches than Giannis does per contest and averaging the third most points in the paint in the league. Guys who go to the line more than him? There are 16 of them with A LOT of jump shooters. He's forced to play through contact because he's ground bound and lacks explosiveness. Brook faces some of the same woes.
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Post#714 » by Milbucks96 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:55 am

Maybe some more of those swipe downs can be called for Giannis but he gets a lot of the benefit of the doubt when he runs into guys. Haven’t really walked away from a game thinking he didn’t get a good whistle in a while. Brook seems to get a worse whistle than Giannis. Feels like he gets fouled every time he has the ball under the ft line and gets 2 ft every other game.
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Post#715 » by Profound23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:01 am

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I don't have a problem. I'm being pretty realistic about the whistle Giannis actually gets you are not.

As for Dame, of course you never said a word about him, because again, it goes completely against the agenda you're pushing. You were explicitly talking about the whistle in Milwaukee for Marcus Smart. That he wouldn't get it here, because we have a "Milwaukee whistle" while Lillard switched teams and is averaging the 2nd highest FTA per contest he's had in his career on his lowest shot volume since his sophomore campaign. It's a stark counter example to what you're talking about. Don't think that bridge business of yours is very successful.

Worse whistle than Giannis, Jokic. There are a lot more, it's pretty easy to find them.


Maybe there are stars who get a worse whistle than Giannis, but Jokic is not that answer. Even when he plays a soft, perimeter style of offense Joker gets to the FT line whenever someone touches him.


He is. He was just ejected against Chicago for one of the softer penalties you'll ever see. He goes to the free throw line "whenever someone touches him" but only has 6.2 FTA per contest while getting two more paint touches than Giannis does per contest and averaging the third most points in the paint in the league. Guys who go to the line more than him? There are 16 of them with A LOT of jump shooters.


I saw that, it was pathetic.

Similar to Giannis being kicked out for staring at a guy after a dunk. I am not saying Jokic never has bad calls against him, just saying it's not worse than Giannis. He plays a soft game, not going to get free throws for that.
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Post#716 » by skones » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:11 am

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I saw that, it was pathetic.

Similar to Giannis being kicked out for staring at a guy after a dunk. I am not saying Jokic never has bad calls against him, just saying it's not worse than Giannis. He plays a soft game, not going to get free throws for that.


His game is not soft. He's just smarter. I'll just leave it at that.
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Post#717 » by mattg » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:42 am

Posters here thinking Giannis gets a bad whistle just tells me they don't actually watch non Bucks basketball. It's an absolutely absurd take. Like unfathomably ridiculous assertion. :lol: Giannis gets a great whistle. He recklessly plows into and through defenders all game long while often looking completely out of control in the process. He gets tons of calls.
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Post#718 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:47 am

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Let me know which one of the foul calls on Giannis was bad the other night. Giannis would shoot a lot more free throws on probably any other team but it would be outrageous on the Lakers or Celtics that’s for sure.

Again let me know of a star player in this league that gets a worse whistle than Giannis.


Oh, so you wanted him to shoot over 40 free throws got it. That doesn't sound ridiculous at all. This Giannis bubble perception thing is wild.

Name me a star player that gets a better whistle than Giannis. You're the one stating a totally subjective case while we have two dudes in the top 5 in FTA per contest. You'll have a real tough time cobbling together a case for a star getting this fantasy star whistle better than Giannis while they're shooting half the free throws.


Again. Name a star player that you think gets a worse whistle than Giannis. I never said a word about Dame. It’s also not just about free throws it’s about all the bull ticky tack stuff for Giannis. If you actually think Smart would get a Celtics whistle here I have a bridge to sell you. I’m in that business

Are you actually a 6ers fan or something? What’s your problem?


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Post#719 » by ShootingtheJ » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:50 am

Profound23 wrote:Don't know if this is where it should be posted but I really hope Kareem recovers.

Broken hips at his age/size could lead to his end eventually.


What concert was he at? How did he break the hip? Was he in a mosh pit?

I don't wish a broken hip on anyone, sending positive vibe now.
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Post#720 » by Profound23 » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:51 am

mattg wrote:Posters here thinking Giannis gets a bad whistle just tells me they don't actually watch non Bucks basketball. It's an absolutely absurd take. Like unfathomably ridiculous assertion. :lol: Giannis gets a great whistle. He recklessly plows into and through defenders all game long while often looking completely out of control in the process. He gets tons of calls.



The conversation began the Bucks in general get bad calls.

Giannis gets favorable calls at times and unfavorable calls in others. There are games where he is allowed to get away with offensive fouls, any Bucks fan who denies that is blind. However, it does not happen as often as others want to believe because the defenders are usually not in position. Similar to Shaq in the 90s.

I would say honestly Portis and Lopez get the worst calls on this team. When they attack the hoop, defenders are often allowed to be overly physical with them. If defenders are allowed to be overly physical with Giannis it is easier to accept because he is also allowed at times to get overly physical with them.

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