NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

Infinite Llamas · Post #501 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:50 am

Hussien Fatal wrote:There is no world in which Joel Embiid smashes the PER record and doesn’t win MVP. It’s close to a guarantee. His PER is at an NBA record 33.9! That would indeed smash the previous record of 32.8 held by Jokic.

If Embiid leads the league in scoring while also setting the PER record its a lock for him. Not to mention the Sixers are 17-4 when he plays which is equivalent to a 68 win pace.

Lol as if PER factors in. Guess who had a PER last year that was a whole point higher than the man that won the award.

Post #502 » by **JDR720** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:51 am

mediocrityrules wrote:
dygaction wrote:Why 76ers grinding biid so hard to flex on b2b weak teams?

It's odd that he's still on the floor when Philly are up by 40.

He has to stat pad his MVP case by dominating Nick Richards and Nathan Mensah.

Wolfgang630 · Post #503 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:07 am

Stat padding isn’t impressive against garbage teams. Look at Giannis. They played the same **** Pistons team. He only played 25 minutes and only took 9 shots.

LordCovington33 · Post #504 » by **LordCovington33** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:09 am

Infinite Llamas wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:There is no world in which Joel Embiid smashes the PER record and doesn’t win MVP. It’s close to a guarantee. His PER is at an NBA record 33.9! That would indeed smash the previous record of 32.8 held by Jokic.

If Embiid leads the league in scoring while also setting the PER record its a lock for him. Not to mention the Sixers are 17-4 when he plays which is equivalent to a 68 win pace.

Lol as if PER factors in. Guess who had a PER last year that was a whole point higher than the man that won the award.

Jokic fans last season: playoff success doesn’t matter when awarding a third MVP; number of team wins doesn’t matter (it is how many wins the individual player was involved in); Jokic has the highest PER in history.
This year: You can’t give an MVP to a player who will probably get knocked out in the second round (Jokic got knocked out in the first and second rounds in his MVP years); let’s ignore that Embiid has 17 wins and the sixers have lost all matches with him, while the nuggets have won without Jokic and won when he was tossed out early in the game; Embiid has the highest PER but it doesn’t matter because it is against bad teams (even though 3 of the 5 worst teams are in the West).

Can’t have it both ways.

bigboi · Post #505 » by **bigboi** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:11 am

maxpower8888 wrote:Guys, you do realize that his PER will drop right? Every season there's a guy with a high PER early on which levels out as the season goes by. Both Jokic and Giannis have had 35+ PERs early on in the season. Embiid's current PER isn't the highest ever, it just would be if he can sustain it until the season ends.

Loud and wrong. Jokic started off high and has dropped. Embiid and Giannis’ PERs have continued to climb up. There’s no guarantee any of these guys will drop. They’re all clearly in their prime and playing next level

PennSports · Post #506 » by **PennSports** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:12 am

Embiid is really good at basketball but the discourse surrounding him online is complete brain rot

Appreciate it while it lasts

Infinite Llamas · Post #507 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:33 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Infinite Llamas wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:There is no world in which Joel Embiid smashes the PER record and doesn’t win MVP. It’s close to a guarantee. His PER is at an NBA record 33.9! That would indeed smash the previous record of 32.8 held by Jokic.

If Embiid leads the league in scoring while also setting the PER record its a lock for him. Not to mention the Sixers are 17-4 when he plays which is equivalent to a 68 win pace.

Lol as if PER factors in. Guess who had a PER last year that was a whole point higher than the man that won the award.

Jokic fans last season: playoff success doesn’t matter when awarding a third MVP; number of team wins doesn’t matter (it is how many wins the individual player was involved in); Jokic has the highest PER in history.
This year: You can’t give an MVP to a player who will probably get knocked out in the second round (Jokic got knocked out in the first and second rounds in his MVP years); let’s ignore that Embiid has 17 wins and the sixers have lost all matches with him, while the nuggets have won without Jokic and won when he was tossed out early in the game; Embiid has the highest PER but it doesn’t matter because it is against bad teams (even though 3 of the 5 worst teams are in the West).

Can’t have it both ways.

To be fair, I don’t care about things like PER much but if I did, I’d be arguing it at the end of the year, not a quarter in. It doesn’t have much weight to me right now.

But for me, I don’t try to declare someone the MVP in December. It’s a futile exercise, and I don’t chirp in these threads much in the early parts of the season even if this is a process and a marathon of sorts.

I’m not by any means saying Embiid can’t be the MVP. I just prefer to list a top-4-5 because it can sway so much on a game to game basis. Maybe it’s a cop out but I also think it’s a healthier way to look at things opposed to making endless arguments for a player.

So when I say that Jokic/Embiid/Giannis/SGA is the top 4 right now, I’m saying I think these guys are in the lead, but it’s too close to call right now as they all have arguments in their favor.

Cubbies2120 · Post #508 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:33 am

bigboi wrote:
maxpower8888 wrote:Guys, you do realize that his PER will drop right? Every season there's a guy with a high PER early on which levels out as the season goes by. Both Jokic and Giannis have had 35+ PERs early on in the season. Embiid's current PER isn't the highest ever, it just would be if he can sustain it until the season ends.

Loud and wrong. Jokic started off high and has dropped. Embiid and Giannis’ PERs have continued to climb up. There’s no guarantee any of these guys will drop. They’re all clearly in their prime and playing next level

You've made a reputation for yourself being exactly that. In the last 3 days, you've:
1. Claimed I don't watch games...only for me to post photos from the Chicago/Denver game
2. Claimed you could provide advanced stats to refute the ones I provided about the supporting cast difference between Giannis and Jokic...but never did...
3. Told a moderator on the board that you're not breaking any rules with your behavior...only to be told you're wrong by another moderator.

This level of lacking self-reflection is truly incredible. :lol:

youngcrev · Post #509 » by **youngcrev** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:39 am

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eyeatoma · Post #510 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:49 am

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eyeatoma · Post #511 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:51 am

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HMM, guess people are talking about it.

maxpower8888 · Post #512 » by **maxpower8888** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 2:58 am

bigboi wrote:
maxpower8888 wrote:Guys, you do realize that his PER will drop right? Every season there's a guy with a high PER early on which levels out as the season goes by. Both Jokic and Giannis have had 35+ PERs early on in the season. Embiid's current PER isn't the highest ever, it just would be if he can sustain it until the season ends.

Loud and wrong. Jokic started off high and has dropped. Embiid and Giannis’ PERs have continued to climb up. There’s no guarantee any of these guys will drop. They’re all clearly in their prime and playing next level

No it's not wrong, I'm not talking about this season, I'm talking about past seasons. This time last year or the year before Jokic was absolutely obliterating the PER record, sitting at around 35, and of course he finished the season with a PER of 32.8. The same thing happened with Giannis during his MVP seasons.

bigboi · Post #513 » by **bigboi** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:10 am

maxpower8888 wrote:
bigboi wrote:
maxpower8888 wrote:Guys, you do realize that his PER will drop right? Every season there's a guy with a high PER early on which levels out as the season goes by. Both Jokic and Giannis have had 35+ PERs early on in the season. Embiid's current PER isn't the highest ever, it just would be if he can sustain it until the season ends.

Loud and wrong. Jokic started off high and has dropped. Embiid and Giannis’ PERs have continued to climb up. There’s no guarantee any of these guys will drop. They’re all clearly in their prime and playing next level

No it's not wrong, I'm not talking about this season, I'm talking about past seasons. This time last year or the year before Jokic was absolutely obliterating the PER record, sitting at around 35, and of course he finished the season with a PER of 32.8. The same thing happened with Giannis during his MVP seasons.

I’m talking about this season specifically, which is all that matters. We don’t know what will happen.

eyeatoma · Post #514 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:30 am

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Woodsanity · Post #515 » by **Woodsanity** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:36 am

This is why Embiid is always stuck on the 2nd round. Tries his hardest to stat pad against bad teams in the regular season. Stinks it up in the playoffs when it matters.

Call me when he has good numbers in the playoffs and actually goes somewhere.

eyeatoma · Post #516 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:44 am

Woodsanity wrote:This is why Embiid is always stuck on the 2nd round. Tries his hardest to stat pad against bad teams in the regular season. Stinks it up in the playoffs when it matters.

Call me when he has good numbers in the playoffs and actually goes somewhere.

So you'd rather him suck against these teams right.

eyeatoma · Post #517 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 3:51 am

bigboi · Post #518 » by **bigboi** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:34 am

Luka might be ahead of Jokic now just due to west standings. West is pretty tight so this could change by next week

GeorgeSears · Post #519 » by **GeorgeSears** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:35 am

I think you have to be blind if can't see that Embiid is the best player in the NBA this season and is running away with the MVP in December. I don't think the "narrative" argument is going to hold up this time, especially if the Sixers keep winning. The only thing stopping him is an injury.

Post #520 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:36 am

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