is Klay done?

[Impuniti]

Rumors of Klay’s death have been exaggerated.

Agreed, time to send the video tape of the last two games to 29 other teams and see what's cooking.

[Jester_]

Lavine IMO is the closest player that resembles Prime Klay but he has to come back with role players such as Caruso, Craig, and Drummond... I'm willing to trade Klay, Kuminga, and Moody to get Lavine, Caurso, Craig, and Drummond... regardless we have to get rid of Klay, he is a cancer on and off the court... if the Warriors resign him then the Warriors are not serious about winning with Curry...

Until then i will continue to **** on Klay because he is really hurting our team...

why in god's name would Chicago do that

Chicago is going Nuclear and those role players are obtainable... to get off Lavine contract alone Bulls might add a couple 2nd picks and instead we might ask them for other guys like Craig and Drummond... I would even add GP2 to the deal if they want more for Caruso

Lavine may be overpaid but he's an all-NBA player when he's healthy, and Caruso might be the most valuable role player in the league

If it was someone other than Caruso maybe, otherwise flipping them for a couple of on-paper underwhelming young players and a fairly pointless vet (GP2) is weak

[Onus]

Why would anyone want LAVINE? The bulls are winning now that LAVINE isn’t hogging the ball and not playing defense. He’s the definition of empty stats.

[wco81]

Derozan is probably as gettable but he’s on an expiring contract while Lavine has the albatross expensive contract. But Demar is 34, though he can still get buckets, a big midrange player, so you’d lose spacing with him, maybe not the best fit with Draymond and Looney.

[superunknown]

klay is not a starter anymore nor a 30 minutes player for a contender (or team that wants to compete), and not because of his volume scoring and offensive output - which has not been that exceptional btw, even tonight 7/19 from the field, meh - but because he's the worst defender in pro basketball.

Could you please find samples of him being worst or at least bad defender?

is that a trick question?

[CDM_Stats]

Why would anyone want LAVINE? The bulls are winning now that LAVINE isn’t hogging the ball and not playing defense. He’s the definition of empty stats.

It would be an expensive upgrade for little reason, and wouldn’t address any of the real problems

Fans think an outside move is necessary to make things happen.. one role change on defense to the starting lineup drops them from +22.5 to -10.4

We’ve been a system team since KD left.. at this point if people don’t see it, they aren’t gonna. But even in the basic public stats, it’s easy to see, so I don’t know anymore. Maybe it’s not easy

[KevinMcreynolds]

On the Lowe Post podcast, ESPN's Zach Lowe said the Warriors "have no desire" to trade Thompson.

"To be clear, the Warriors do not want to trade Klay Thompson. They have no desire to do it," Lowe said. "I would bet heavily against it ever happening."

Lowe has legit sources with the Warriors too

[wco81]

On the Lowe Post podcast, ESPN's Zach Lowe said the Warriors "have no desire" to trade Thompson.

"To be clear, the Warriors do not want to trade Klay Thompson. They have no desire to do it," Lowe said. "I would bet heavily against it ever happening."

Lowe has legit sources with the Warriors too

They may not see players available on the trade market as being necessarily better.

Do you change the system and use more ISO if they acquired say a DeRozan?

[KevinMcreynolds]

On the Lowe Post podcast, ESPN's Zach Lowe said the Warriors "have no desire" to trade Thompson.

"To be clear, the Warriors do not want to trade Klay Thompson. They have no desire to do it," Lowe said. "I would bet heavily against it ever happening."

Lowe has legit sources with the Warriors too

They may not see players available on the trade market as being necessarily better.

Do you change the system and use more ISO if they acquired say a DeRozan?

Honestly I would trade him for a young player and/or a pick instead. We’re not going anywhere this year either way.

[whatisacenter]

Why would anyone want LAVINE? The bulls are winning now that LAVINE isn’t hogging the ball and not playing defense. He’s the definition of empty stats.

It would be an expensive upgrade for little reason, and wouldn’t address any of the real problems

Fans think an outside move is necessary to make things happen.. one role change on defense to the starting lineup drops them from +22.5 to -10.4

We’ve been a system team since KD left.. at this point if people don’t see it, they aren’t gonna. But even in the basic public stats, it’s easy to see, so I don’t know anymore. Maybe it’s not easy

I think most fans are aware of it but some may feel that the system has run its course and that Curry is the only part that still works effectively in it at a high level. I have heard on national podcasts that players on the trade and buyout markets as well as free agents don't always want to go to the Warriors as they know that their roll would be to be a cog in the system. That has left us with an aging core who's ceiling is a .500ish team as currently constructed.

[CDM_Stats]

Why would anyone want LAVINE? The bulls are winning now that LAVINE isn’t hogging the ball and not playing defense. He’s the definition of empty stats.

It would be an expensive upgrade for little reason, and wouldn’t address any of the real problems

Fans think an outside move is necessary to make things happen.. one role change on defense to the starting lineup drops them from +22.5 to -10.4

We’ve been a system team since KD left.. at this point if people don’t see it, they aren’t gonna. But even in the basic public stats, it’s easy to see, so I don’t know anymore. Maybe it’s not easy

I think most fans are aware of it but some may feel that the system has run its course and that Curry is the only part that still works effectively in it at a high level. I have heard on national podcasts that players on the trade and buyout markets as well as free agents don't always want to go to the Warriors as they know that their roll would be to be a cog in the system. That has left us with an aging core who's ceiling is a .500ish team as currently constructed.

It very well might have, but since we have no real alternatives, it would be best to make sure that's the case. And the peripheral data has not changed very much, so I'm not at all convinced. This is extremely similar to Feb-March '22, because when you take one of the 3 big defenders out (Wiggins-Dray-Looney), they all suffer. Dray less than the other 2, because he pretty much is the system and they just fit into it, but still

Wiggins is still a great on-ball defender and funnels to good help positions, but it comes at a cost offensively. Same with Klay, which is why I'm sure Kerr is doing it the way he is, but still.. it also comes at a huge cost defensively, because one of our best switchers is now at the top of the key most of the time, out of the play, and the guy replacing Wiggins does not have good help instincts, or quickness, or anything really that you'd want out of the position. And that dominos to Looney, who was always hanging by a thread, but is now in the worst spot because he used to know where to go each time, based on who was going to help, and how the team was going to help the helper, and so on.. that continuity played directly to his strengths. Now that's broken, so he's been a lot less. Wiggins help defense is gone, so he's a lot less. Dray being absent for almost half the games and likely more now hurts a ton too.

But all the sub-level stats, the things like speed, COD, quality contests (which is contesting a shot inside 3 ft w/o fouling by the primary defender).. all the things that were a big part of why the defense succeeded 2 years ago, those things are pretty close to the same. Whats changed is the # of opportunities - Klays on-ball opps are down significantly. Wiggins' are up. Klay's help defense opps up significantly. Wiggins' are down. We've played to our weaknesses and avoided our strengths, and aside from doing this to try and help keep Klay's legs going, I can't see a single reason for it. Even the Klay legs reason... is it worth it? Klay's offense has been the usual hit or miss and our defense has been awful for long stretches

[Onus]

On the Lowe Post podcast, ESPN's Zach Lowe said the Warriors "have no desire" to trade Thompson.

"To be clear, the Warriors do not want to trade Klay Thompson. They have no desire to do it," Lowe said. "I would bet heavily against it ever happening."

Lowe has legit sources with the Warriors too

Trading Klay was always a pipe dream for fans. The warriors have been pumping out how the core has stayed together for so long. They take pride in that. No way they would trade one of the core 3. It would only happen if they got a huge offer that we didn’t want to match.

I guess teams now know how much they need to offer Klay to pry him away from us. So good job Klays team?

[KevinMcreynolds]

On the Lowe Post podcast, ESPN's Zach Lowe said the Warriors "have no desire" to trade Thompson.

"To be clear, the Warriors do not want to trade Klay Thompson. They have no desire to do it," Lowe said. "I would bet heavily against it ever happening."

Lowe has legit sources with the Warriors too

Trading Klay was always a pipe dream for fans. The warriors have been pumping out how the core has stayed together for so long. They take pride in that. No way they would trade one of the core 3. It would only happen if they got a huge offer that we didn’t want to match.

I guess teams now know how much they need to offer Klay to pry him away from us. So good job Klays team?

The thing I question is if we pulled the 2/48m and then give him a low ball offer he’s never going to sign, so if Lowe is correct then that means we’re basically just letting him walk? I don’t think so. Manleavy will ship him at the deadline instead of letting him walk.

[jozef]

klay is not a starter anymore nor a 30 minutes player for a contender (or team that wants to compete), and not because of his volume scoring and offensive output - which has not been that exceptional btw, even tonight 7/19 from the field, meh - but because he's the worst defender in pro basketball.

Could you please find samples of him being worst or at least bad defender?

is that a trick question?

No, it is a real question. I watched most games and Klay was above average defender as far as Warriors team. In my opinion it is a mass psychology. A hoax. Give me real samples, please.

[Impuniti]

Derozan is probably as gettable but he’s on an expiring contract while Lavine has the albatross expensive contract. But Demar is 34, though he can still get buckets, a big midrange player, so you’d lose spacing with him, maybe not the best fit with Draymond and Looney.

This team is old as dirt with problems on defense, athleticism, 3 point shooting? The team desperately needs guys that can move and have energy. Especially with a 1-dimensional coach like Kerr who can only play one way.

[wco81]

Derozan is probably as gettable but he’s on an expiring contract while Lavine has the albatross expensive contract. But Demar is 34, though he can still get buckets, a big midrange player, so you’d lose spacing with him, maybe not the best fit with Draymond and Looney.

This team is old as dirt with problems on defense, athleticism, 3 point shooting? The team desperately needs guys that can move and have energy. Especially with a 1-dimensional coach like Kerr who can only play one way.

Sure so let's get SGA!

I'm talking about players rumored to be on the trading block.

So you're going to only be able to trade for players that their teams don't want long term or are having poor seasons.

Utah will probably trade Markkanen than give him an extension after next year.

But other teams can give Ainge way more assets than the Warriors./

[Impuniti]

Derozan is probably as gettable but he’s on an expiring contract while Lavine has the albatross expensive contract. But Demar is 34, though he can still get buckets, a big midrange player, so you’d lose spacing with him, maybe not the best fit with Draymond and Looney.

This team is old as dirt with problems on defense, athleticism, 3 point shooting? The team desperately needs guys that can move and have energy. Especially with a 1-dimensional coach like Kerr who can only play one way.

Sure so let's get SGA!

I'm talking about players rumored to be on the trading block.

So you're going to only be able to trade for players that their teams don't want long term or are having poor seasons.

Utah will probably trade Markkanen than give him an extension after next year.

But other teams can give Ainge way more assets than the Warriors./

Getting minor improvements, I'd rather not even go for that battle though. Markkanen to me would be a priority but I'm curious what they can get from someone else vs what they can get from the Warriors.

[DonaldSanders]

Did Klay finally get hooked up by LeBron's source?

Suddenly has legs again, though still a cone on defense. The jumper has been looking smooth, I knew his shooting would come back to some degree but nice to see him a little springier, especially on a back to back. Really good sign. TJD emerging is also a great sign for Klay, as we need more threats on offense to help get him open.

[jozef]

Klay was never a cone on defense. Nobody can back up such a claim.

[vagelis]

He seems to find his rythm and reminds his old self now