2023-24 Regular Season

[toooskies]

It's just the reality man.

Then trade everybody and start over. Why stop at Mitchell?

I already said I would be fine trading Allen or LeVert in the right trade.

I mentioned prior to the Garland and Mobley injuries that we should trade Wade + Rubio for a wing.

I'd be cool trading Okoro i just don't think he has much value, tbh.

I wouldn't trade Garland, Mobley, Strus, or Niang.

We can just cut TT before his guarantee date, if that's what he wanted.

You act like this core has been to back-to-back ECF or something...

You act like there is zero potential for growth from players who are barely entering their primes.

[jasonxxx102]

Like I said. Loser. Mentality.

The best part is that the reality of the NBA doesn’t care about your pretend winner mentality. The rah rah go team cheerleading doesn’t change the situation.

Wish you the best, just remember this in 3 years when you look back at nothing and forward at nothing.

I don't see a reason anything changes much this postseason besides our first round opponent. If you don't think the core of this team can win a playoff series you may as well pick a different team or new hobby.

I’m 100% confident this team cannot win a series with JB as the coach. I’d bet every penny I have on that.

As for finding a new team, I’m a native clevelander but more of an NBA fan than a Cavs fan. I’ve tuned out until JB is fired. I’d rather watch just about anyone else.

[jasonxxx102]

This is such a loser mentality. Did we lose our best player for the year? Is this not just our 26th game of the season? Do we want to usher Mitchell out the door? If you're leaving, maybe think about just not coming back?

Yea because winners are first round exit teams for 5 seasons before being bottom dwellers again. Ask the Bulls if they feel like winners right now. They could have blown it up 3 seasons ago but now they have a bunch of assets worth nothing and they’re still bad.

This is just total lack of understanding of how the NBA works. This isn’t LA or Boston, or Miami, or some big name city. This is Cleveland, get a grip. You either build through the draft and get lucky, or be mediocre.

The Cavs have no worthwhile assets for the next half decade, just let that sink in for a second.

Have fun with your “winner” mentality in 3 years when you’re a 30 win team and no hope until 2030.

I’ll be back to remind everyone, don’t you worry

You are the worst cavaliers fan I’ve ever seen.

Don’t forget to write about it in your diary

[mcfly1204]

So anyway, a lot to like about last night's game. Mitchell putting up a career high in assists. Wade and Okoro producing in a starting role. I would have liked to see Porter get more burn, but I expect to see JBB tinkering with lineups.

[JujitsuFlip]

Then trade everybody and start over. Why stop at Mitchell?

I already said I would be fine trading Allen or LeVert in the right trade.

I mentioned prior to the Garland and Mobley injuries that we should trade Wade + Rubio for a wing.

I'd be cool trading Okoro i just don't think he has much value, tbh.

I wouldn't trade Garland, Mobley, Strus, or Niang.

We can just cut TT before his guarantee date, if that's what he wanted.

You act like this core has been to back-to-back ECF or something...

You act like there is zero potential for growth from players who are barely entering their primes.

Bro, the circumstances are what dictate my mindset.

Mitchell is 27 years old and hasn't committed to the team long term.

Are you cool with risking losing him for no return assets? I'm not...

[jbk1234]

Joe Vardon is such a click-bait hack. His article in the Athletic states Mitchell is eligible for a super max extension this summer. He is not.

[JujitsuFlip]

Joe Vardon is such a click-bait hack. His article in the Athletic states Mitchell is eligible for a super max extension this summer. He is not.

You sure it's not something in the new CBA that might make him eligible?

Idk if the new CBA is even published to the public yet.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://fansided.com/posts/nba-rumors-ranking-best-supermax-extension-candidates

Vardon may not be too far off, according to this article.

Has to play 7 seasons, this is Mitchell's 7th.

Has to named to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, or was named Defensive Player of the Year, in the immediately preceding season or in two of the immediately preceding three seasons; or The player was NBA MVP during one of the preceding three seasons. Mitchell just has to be named to an All-NBA team this season and he will be eligible because i doubt he wins DPOY or MVP.

[jbk1234]

https://fansided.com/posts/nba-rumors-ranking-best-supermax-extension-candidates

Vardon may not be too far off, according to this article.

Has to play 7 seasons, this is Mitchell's 7th.

Has to named to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, or was named Defensive Player of the Year, in the immediately preceding season or in two of the immediately preceding three seasons; or The player was NBA MVP during one of the preceding three seasons. Mitchell just has to be named to an All-NBA team this season and he will be eligible because i doubt he wins DPOY or MVP.

You're only super max eligible if you're still on the team that drafted you.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://fansided.com/posts/nba-rumors-ranking-best-supermax-extension-candidates

Vardon may not be too far off, according to this article.

Has to play 7 seasons, this is Mitchell's 7th.

Has to named to the All-NBA first, second, or third team, or was named Defensive Player of the Year, in the immediately preceding season or in two of the immediately preceding three seasons; or The player was NBA MVP during one of the preceding three seasons. Mitchell just has to be named to an All-NBA team this season and he will be eligible because i doubt he wins DPOY or MVP.

You're only super max eligible if you're still on the team that drafted you.

Not technically true but in Mitchell's instance, you're right.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2023/09/05/new-nba-awards-rules-could-create-a-supermax-problem-for-some-teams/?sh=6a3718783787

"...players also have to be with the same teams that drafted them unless they were traded within the first four years of their careers".

[toooskies]

Mitchell's most profitable way forward is to hit free agency, sign a two year deal, then get the supermax the next year.

But that pathway only works if any change of teams is a trade since his Bird rights can't be established on a 2-year deal.

So if NBA salary is the primary motivation, the Cavs either keep him or get reimbursed with assets.

OTOH he'd probably make more from sponsorships elsewhere.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://kingjamesgospel.com/posts/3-drastic-moves-the-cavaliers-could-make-following-garland-mobley-injuries

[toooskies]

Buyout talk for Rubio: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274032/Ricky-Rubio-Cavaliers-Begin-Discussions-On-Potential-Buyout

[JonFromVA]

Buyout talk for Rubio: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274032/Ricky-Rubio-Cavaliers-Begin-Discussions-On-Potential-Buyout

That'd be nice of Ricky to accept a buyout, but I sure hope the Cavs have some sort of leverage in the situation because his money is all guaranteed, right?

[JujitsuFlip]

Buyout talk for Rubio: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274032/Ricky-Rubio-Cavaliers-Begin-Discussions-On-Potential-Buyout

That'd be nice of Ricky to accept a buyout, but I sure hope the Cavs have some sort of leverage in the situation because his money is all guaranteed, right?

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10101945-cavaliers-rumors-ricky-rubio-discussing-parting-of-ways-amid-mental-health-leave.amp.html

They want to trade him and have another team complete his buyout, since the Cavs are so close to the tax.

"With seven weeks remaining before the league's Feb. 8 buzzer, the only true trade development about the Cavaliers is the team's attempts to find a partner that will take Ricky Rubio's contract... So that next front office can work on a buyout of the veteran point guard's two seasons and $12.5 million remaining on the three-year contract Rubio signed to return to the Cavaliers last July".

[jbk1234]

Buyout talk for Rubio: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274032/Ricky-Rubio-Cavaliers-Begin-Discussions-On-Potential-Buyout

That'd be nice of Ricky to accept a buyout, but I sure hope the Cavs have some sort of leverage in the situation because his money is all guaranteed, right?

Next year isn't 100% guaranteed and they do have some leverage. His current absence is excused by the team. They could force the issue, tell him they want him examined by the league's personnel, and then apply for a medical retirement. Rubio would still get his guaranteed money but the 2nd year would fall off the cap.

[jbk1234]

https://kingjamesgospel.com/posts/3-drastic-moves-the-cavaliers-could-make-following-garland-mobley-injuries

None of these moves seem all that drastic to me. I don't know that Emoni Bates is ready for regular minutes, but you could certainly play him in some scheduled losses. I also don't know what type of fantasy trades they have in mind for LeVert and Okoro, but I have to imagine that the reality of their respective trade markets means the Cavs are better off with them here eating minutes.

[JujitsuFlip]

Buyout talk for Rubio: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274032/Ricky-Rubio-Cavaliers-Begin-Discussions-On-Potential-Buyout

That'd be nice of Ricky to accept a buyout, but I sure hope the Cavs have some sort of leverage in the situation because his money is all guaranteed, right?

Next year isn't 100% guaranteed and they do have some leverage. His current absence is excused by the team. They could force the issue, tell him they want him examined by the league's personnel, and then apply for a medical retirement. Rubio would still get his guaranteed money but the 2nd year would fall off the cap.

That doesn't really help this season though.

One other article said they could stretch his contract.

If they wanna keep him up until the deadline, that's fine but they gotta move him that day, idc how many 2nd rounders it takes to move off his deal.

[toooskies]

That'd be nice of Ricky to accept a buyout, but I sure hope the Cavs have some sort of leverage in the situation because his money is all guaranteed, right?

Next year isn't 100% guaranteed and they do have some leverage. His current absence is excused by the team. They could force the issue, tell him they want him examined by the league's personnel, and then apply for a medical retirement. Rubio would still get his guaranteed money but the 2nd year would fall off the cap.

That doesn't really help this season though.

One other article said they could stretch his contract.

If they wanna keep him up until the deadline, that's fine but they gotta move him that day, idc how many 2nd rounders it takes to move off his deal.

Pretty sure the current year can't be stretched, the deadline for that is in the offseason. No immediate relief.

[JujitsuFlip]

Next year isn't 100% guaranteed and they do have some leverage. His current absence is excused by the team. They could force the issue, tell him they want him examined by the league's personnel, and then apply for a medical retirement. Rubio would still get his guaranteed money but the 2nd year would fall off the cap.

That doesn't really help this season though.

One other article said they could stretch his contract.

If they wanna keep him up until the deadline, that's fine but they gotta move him that day, idc how many 2nd rounders it takes to move off his deal.

Pretty sure the current year can't be stretched, the deadline for that is in the offseason. No immediate relief.

Yup, right you are, woulda had to stretch him back in August.

Hmm, yeah, seems like if they wanna use his salary slot like Shams and Vardon alluded to, finding a team to take him is the only way.

We did it once before, even though it was a different set of circumstances. Long as it doesn't cost a 1st rounder, idc.