PG: Bucks Ground Rockets

[soxperry]

Beas got a cold and lost his job. How you gon get fired on your day off, Beas?

[Brewhoopfan]

FVV is still a problem. Great signing for the Rockets. I really like their young core and Ime can coach. If Jalen Green can get to another level, look out.

[Brewhoopfan]

Beas got a cold and lost his job. How you gon get fired on your day off, Beas?

Not buying it. We all know Beas isn't fast enough to catch a cold.

[-Jragon-]

Which playoff opponent is point guard Middleton going to work vs? I'll wait... it's not, idc about this 1 regular season game vs Houston and their egos.. if we want to get Khris and his nice jumper involved that's fine but let's make it work on plays on the flow of what will work against playoff defenses so we have those healthy reference experiences and good habits built up. Our team will implode again if Midds waves off Dame and brings it up vs Boston, Miami, Indy, etc and we lose after he bounces it off his leg.

What will work? Dame and Cam have to initiate most of the time to protect the ball and the possession and let the other guys have the ball 2nd in their position they like with a play happening that they know either A or B will happen and they won't get trapped.

That possession where Dame and Khris were both asking for the ball from Giannis and he just dribbled up and took a 3 was ridiculous at the end of a game. That's the kind of sh#t Bobby was mad about that day. We still have some ego and selfishness problems.. it's bs it's like watching YMCA when that happens.. these are men at basically the highest level. If Midds wants a PG tryout then give him one in G league lol

[soxperry]

Which playoff opponent is point guard Middleton going to work vs? I'll wait... it's not, idc about this 1 regular season game vs Houston and their egos.. if we want to get Khris and his nice jumper involved that's fine but let's make it work on plays on the flow of what will work against playoff defenses so we have those healthy reference experiences and good habits built up. Our team will implode again if Midds waves off Dame and brings it up vs Boston, Miami, Indy, etc and we lose after he bounces it off his leg.

What will work? Dame and Cam have to initiate most of the time to protect the ball and the possession and let the other guys have the ball 2nd in their position they like with a play happening that they know either A or B will happen and they won't get trapped.

That possession where Dame and Khris were both asking for the ball from Giannis and he just dribbled up and took a 3 was ridiculous at the end of a game. That's the kind of sh#t Bobby was mad about that day. We still have some ego and selfishness problems.. it's bs it's like watching YMCA when that happens.. these are men at basically the highest level. If Midds wants a PG tryout then give him one in G league lol

things take time. we get more performances from Dame where he's carrying the team in the 4th and winning us games, and the pecking order will establish itself. that's not something im worried about at all, tbh.

[tedbrogen]

Midds was running the point in close games the entire ‘21 postseason run, but some posters just have an agenda against him…

And before this gets twisted, I don’t think Midds should be the point over Dame but it’s totally fine to have Midds initiate some in close games. It doesn’t always have to be Dame (he’s getting older and isn’t always cooking and Midds might have a more favorable match up), should be Midds before Giannis, and there are times when Midds is on a bit of heater (like in the fourth tonight) where you want to ride him.

Basically, if someone doesn’t agree the pecking order for initiating offense late in close games should be 1) Dame, 2) Midds, 3) Giannis, in that order, I don’t know what to tell you.

[chonestown]

I'm admittedly not a college hoops guy these days, my draft knowledge has been **** for years now, but it's wild to me that a player with Dre's combination of size/length, obscene athleticism, relentless motor, and both offensive & defensive feel/IQ would drop that far in the draft, even with the shooting concerns and perceived lack of upside due to age. That combination pretty much guarantees a dope ass player.

Credit to Horst and the FO for capitalizing where all the other teams failed though.

Weren't there injury concerns?

[fan230]

I am liking AG’s player substitutions.

[mediocrityrules]

I'm starting to turn into a believer. We're still not good enough to beat the Celtics, but we're better than everyone else in the East and we're steadily improving. The coaching is not looking like a complete train wreck any more.

Yep, the last couple games are nice confidence boosters that the staff is at least doing the sane thing and turning games into efficiency track meets by trying to protect the rim and attack the paint. Good luck keeping pace with Dame/Giannis/Midds/Brook. They put up 128 tonight on the second best defensive while shooting league average from three and missing two rotational players.

Interested to see how they fair against some good teams on the road.

Anyone have the Bucks current SRS?

I can't stress enough how much of an issue our D still is. Yes we're playing great on offense and it seems to be getting better, but our D is still a real big issue to overcome. Offense is not the problem. We can't lose sight of what we need to resolve with our roster and the way they scheme on D. Once again we kept trying to effect steals tonight (Bobby was caught out 3-4 times) and it just opened up the floor for easy buckets.

We just let Houston put up 119 when they average 109, and the day before we've let Detroit put up 114 when they average 108. The story is the same no matter who we play. Teams can score against us with ease. This is not as much of an issue during the RS, but we're not winning the Finals by trying to blast the opposition of the floor.

[skones]

Say what you want about Griff, if Bud was here there is no way AJJ plays that much tonight.

He would have played Payne 30 minutes before letting AJJ play 36.

Here's your reminder that DDV was playing 20 minutes a night from night 1 as a rookie on a team that won 60 games, supplanting a veteran Tony Snell. These Bud fallacies should just stop. We're like three games removed from an AJJ DNP-CD against the Bulls.

Bud didn't play young players, because our young players were ass, but that's consistently glossed over for whatever reason.

[RiotPunch]

Say what you want about Griff, if Bud was here there is no way AJJ plays that much tonight.

He would have played Payne 30 minutes before letting AJJ play 36.

Here's your reminder that DDV was playing 20 minutes a night from night 1 as a rookie on a team that won 60 games, supplanting a veteran Tony Snell. These Bud fallacies should just stop. We're like three games removed from an AJJ DNP-CD against the Bulls.

And, really, Grief had to be backed into a corner everytime he's gone to Dre. He's seeing the obvious results, but we wouldn't be here without Beasley missing games. Bud knew Donte was the better play from the jump.

[-Jragon-]

Midds was running the point in close games the entire ‘21 postseason run, but some posters just have an agenda against him…

And before this gets twisted, I don’t think Midds should be the point over Dame but it’s totally fine to have Midds initiate some in close games. It doesn’t always have to be Dame (he’s getting older and isn’t always cooking and Midds might have a more favorable match up), should be Midds before Giannis, and there are times when Midds is on a bit of heater (like in the fourth tonight) where you want to ride him.

Basically, if someone doesn’t agree the pecking order for initiating offense late in close games should be 1) Dame, 2) Midds, 3) Giannis, in that order, I don’t know what to tell you.

2021 was great but now it's the past. Even then his best plays were shooting over dudes from a standstill or taking a step in on closeouts- which is what I'm advocating for. We also didn't have a better option, especially when Giannis was out and Jrue wasn't nearly as dynamic as Dame. Now is now, now we have Dame. Good defenses will bait KM early in the game by not pressuring him and then make KM turn the ball over at very bad times late in the game. There's no agenda, we all like KM and we're just talking about how to use his special talents best. And we all have opinions which is ok for us to do otherwise why would we even come on here. My opinion is there are better, safer ways and spots to get KM the ball where he is an automatic threat and guys have to leap at his high release --- then have some secondary plays for him off that with him and Giannis. If the defense plays back then drop that 3 on him. Does that sound like an agenda? I'm about strategy and what's best for the team as it is currently constructed.

[-Jragon-]

Basically, if someone doesn’t agree the pecking order for initiating offense late in close games should be 1) Dame, 2) Midds, 3) Giannis, in that order, I don’t know what to tell you.

Late in games: only out of bounds plays or where he can catch and pass without dribbling.

Giannis has been finding guys open really well this year and playing under control from his medium catches. Brook 2 years ago vs Celtics was distributing well from the post and drawing fouls. I would put those 2 options ahead of Khris handling the ball as a point guard late in games. I'd go 1. Dame pg 2. Cam pg 3. Giannis (catch near lane guys cutting or shuffling around the 3 line) 4. Brook (underneath and guys do inside cuts or the 3 line) 5. Khris pg (I think he should work off the 2 superstars gravity instead of trying to BE the gravity -- I want the defense out of position trying to close out on him and that's when he does his best magic imo.

[Prez]

I'll give Griffin credit for Dre starting if he's still starting when Beasley's back.

[Karsenmitsche]

I'm admittedly not a college hoops guy these days, my draft knowledge has been **** for years now, but it's wild to me that a player with Dre's combination of size/length, obscene athleticism, relentless motor, and both offensive & defensive feel/IQ would drop that far in the draft, even with the shooting concerns and perceived lack of upside due to age. That combination pretty much guarantees a dope ass player.

Credit to Horst and the FO for capitalizing where all the other teams failed though.

not to mention being a leader on a championship team

[beyond_the_arc]

Beas got a cold and lost his job. How you gon get fired on your day off, Beas?

Not buying it. We all know Beas isn't fast enough to catch a cold.

He had no ability to defend himself from being abused by the cold.

[soxperry]

Say what you want about Griff, if Bud was here there is no way AJJ plays that much tonight.

He would have played Payne 30 minutes before letting AJJ play 36.

Here's your reminder that DDV was playing 20 minutes a night from night 1 as a rookie on a team that won 60 games, supplanting a veteran Tony Snell. These Bud fallacies should just stop. We're like three games removed from an AJJ DNP-CD against the Bulls.

Bud didn't play young players, because our young players were ass, but that's consistently glossed over for whatever reason.

i could not agree more.

[greekbuck34]

We were obviously playing through heavy legs against a fresh team in the 2nd half but we survived because our half court offense is simply too versatile, the hustle on 50/50 balls was there and we also have Dame on top of everything else.

Teams and lineups that can do a great job on bulding the wall and throwing bodies at Giannis tend to suffer at the same time from quick penetrating guards like Dame taking advantage of the gravity. We've never had that before.

AJJ is the future. Insane athleticicm and energy. You can feel the difference once 3 of those guys play together. Giannis, PatC and AJJ and all of a sudden we grab every rebound and outrun the opponent in the fastbreaks.

[paulpressey25]

These Bud fallacies should just stop.

Bud didn't play young players, because our young players were ass, but that's consistently glossed over for whatever reason.

Yep.

Donte averaged 15mpg his rookie year, and Bud played him right out of the gate. Problem was he had injury issues all year, and only appeared in 27 games. Ajax is only averaging 10mpg right now.

And after it became clear Donte might not play anymore that year, the Bucks did the salary dump and acquired George Hill.

[greekbuck34]

Yeah give Bud a break. It's hard to replace 35-36y George Hill with a young player. He has to average 20 minutes per game.
I'm sure Bud asked Horst to find a better solution and he just couldn't find anyone else.

George Hill and the corpses of Ibaka and Dragic instead of other young legs or other athletic solutions for an old and aging already roster. It's not like we were just wasting the spots too. We already had players like Mamu and AJ Green to take those minutes instead.