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[MickeyDavis]

Love Khris but let's not pretend that his handle isn't hilarious. It doesn't always end up in a turnover (although his TO per 36 are trending up the last 3 years). Sometimes he just dribbles into traffic, fumbles around with the ball and eventually regains it, but now there's under 10 seconds on the shot clock. I cringe every time he takes more than 2 dribbles.

But yeah he's an all-time Bucks great, when Giannis went down in the ECF vs. the Hawks, Khris took over. With GIannis inside and Dame behind the arc, Khris' midrange game will be a key to a title run. Number 22 will be in the rafters one day.

This is just it, Game 5 against the Hawks, Brook was our best player. He played as big a part in wrapping that series up in 6 as Khris did. Posters like ShootingtheJ probably only remember Khris, selective memory with Brook stepping up (and Bobby too for that matter).

I'm not sure anyone is saying Khris singlehandedly beat the Hawks. Brook and Bobby were key too. But the recent discussion has been about Khris.

[MiltownMadness]

This goes back to past years, if you’ve been a fan of the Bucks since he was traded to the Bucks and have always wanted to keep him no matter his inconsistencies and large contracts, I’d definitely consider that a fair definition of Khris stan or apologist. ShootingtheJ was so sure this summer he’d be a steal at a 30 million a year contract, that’s the kind of mentality that garners the moniker above.

I'd say those are just smart fans, Khris is a player you want on your team. Keeping Khris resulted in a championship so Khris stans in your example ended up being the smart ones.

I'm saying we should all be Khris 'stans'

I still contend his contributions are more replaceable than a player like Brook’s, which is where he gets a bit overrated by the board. It wouldn’t surprise me if you put a Redd or Salmons in his place, they could do 90% of what he does. Since he plays next to an all time great though, his positives get magnified and we live with his weaknesses.

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[aboveAverage]

I’ll say it again, forget about Khris in the regular season. He could do absolutely nothing all season and I’d still want him starting when the playoffs come around. He’s a 16 game player, a magician in the playoffs. It’s so difficult to find players that become elite in the playoffs. That’s what Khris is and has always been. That’s where he earns his money.

[Bucksmaniac]

I’ll say it again, forget about Khris in the regular season. He could do absolutely nothing all season and I’d still want him starting when the playoffs come around. He’s a 16 game player, a magician in the playoffs. It’s so difficult to find players that become elite in the playoffs. That’s what Khris is and has always been. That’s where he earns his money.

His overall FG% is 2% lower in the Playoffs in his career which I’d venture to say is very close to the NBA norm. His 3 pt pct is better but other than that the biggest difference is he does play more minutes per game in the playoffs.

[MissKhriddleton]

I keep trying to imagine Khris dribbling, creating separation, and getting his shot off against JT, JB, Jrue, and Derrick White every other night in a 6-7 game series vs. Boston after his body somehow makes it through the regular season and I think it's going to be a very sad moment of realization for this board. Once that intensity is kicked up a notch, the steps that he's lost are going to be glaringly obvious.

Definitely an all time Buck and a great career.

[MiltownMadness]

Khris could be 40 and he still will be able to get that slow turnaround midrange off. He is the best in the league from the midrange in my opinion...and numbers back that up. Dude is shooting 58% from midrange this season, it's absolutely absurd, and just think about the average Khris midrange shot difficulty, he makes it look easy but it's not. This is why he is so damn good in the playoffs when the defensive intensity goes up a few notches

[MickeyDavis]

In theory Khris can do all of those things. He has done all of those things. In reality it's all up to his health/knee. A healthy Khris in the playoffs is gold.

[Shaffty]

In theory Khris can do all of those things. He has done all of those things. In reality it's all up to his health/knee. A healthy Khris in the playoffs is gold.

up to 28 mins a game last 8

[MickeyDavis]

In theory Khris can do all of those things. He has done all of those things. In reality it's all up to his health/knee. A healthy Khris in the playoffs is gold.

up to 28 mins a game last 8

That's definitely encouraging. He can sit out one of a B2B the rest of the way, no reason to push it. No playoff games are B2B,

[Shaffty]

In theory Khris can do all of those things. He has done all of those things. In reality it's all up to his health/knee. A healthy Khris in the playoffs is gold.

up to 28 mins a game last 8

That's definitely encouraging. He can sit out one of a B2B the rest of the way, no reason to push it. No playoff games are B2B,

Giannis said after the game last night 'hopefully he can start playing back to backs next' when talking about khris, so i think the plan is to fully bring him back eventually.

I've said it a million times tho, i just blindly trust our medical staff with this stuff.

[Milbucks96]

I’m not even factoring in his accomplishments when discussing if he should start or be traded. The player he is right now is good enough for that argument. Now if you’re worried about injuries and think we should trade him for an equal or close return I don’t blame you, hell I could even get behind that if it’s something realistic.

But I can’t take anyone serious saying he should be replaced in the starting lineup, or he’s overpaid or something. And I’m damn sure not dumping him for lesser players.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

"Greatest" Bucks of all time

Giannis
Kareem
Khris
Oscar
Moncrief
Ray
MJ (Plus points for rekindling the relationship with Bucks later on)

Not arguing who is best, just the legacy they have left behind as Bucks

love your list. moncrief will always be the ultimate legacy buck for me tho(behind the obvious 2).

our entire 80s run he was the consistent star and my childhood idol. as much as i love khris i cant take him over sid on legacy or straight talent. but it makes me super happy that somebody would argue khris was a greater buck!! thats a guy who knows what hes looking at with khris!

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I keep trying to imagine Khris dribbling, creating separation, and getting his shot off against JT, JB, Jrue, and Derrick White every other night in a 6-7 game series vs. Boston after his body somehow makes it through the regular season and I think it's going to be a very sad moment of realization for this board. Once that intensity is kicked up a notch, the steps that he's lost are going to be glaringly obvious.

Definitely an all time Buck and a great career.

i love the fact those guys will have to be all in guarding him that way. with the weapons around him he will figure it out.

besides boston there isnt a problem tho. every guy on this team will have their hands full with those 4

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah like, nobody's acting like he deserves to start based on the player he was even 2-years ago lol. The reason he should still be starting is that he's still an awesome player by any metric or eye test you wanna use. If we actually got 2020-21 Khris, then it's over for the rest of the league.

[BigO]

In theory Khris can do all of those things. He has done all of those things. In reality it's all up to his health/knee. A healthy Khris in the playoffs is gold.

Yes, as long as he doesn't dribble in traffic or try and beat a good defender one on one facing the basket. His back to the basket game is great.

[midranger]

What are people even debating?

Do people want to trade him at the deadline? I guess if there’s a clear upgrade available for Khris Middleton, sign me up. That guy likely doesn’t exist, so it’s all pissing in the wind. He’s just more valuable to us than anyone else. If people are advocating just salary dump and a pick or something, they’ve lost the plot.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Trading Khris doesn't make sense from a basketball standpoint, that's the entire thing. We are slaughtering teams when Khris plays. The fact he should be adored and wanted by this fanbase is the cherry on top

This goes back to past years, if you’ve been a fan of the Bucks since he was traded to the Bucks and have always wanted to keep him no matter his inconsistencies and large contracts, I’d definitely consider that a fair definition of Khris stan or apologist.

nobody that wanted to keep him wouldnt have traded him for fair value. say a package for prime dame for example obviously duh. i remember being torn over butler in minny maybe the closest i would have been to dealing him but still glad we didnt. other proposals here looking back over the years at the trades suggested by your non- khris stan or non- apologists.... those deals look hilariously bad and youre in complete denial if you suggest differently

[Dick Tate]

If you walk the line between Stan and Hater, does that make you a Stater?

[emunney]

I’m not even factoring in his accomplishments when discussing if he should start or be traded. The player he is right now is good enough for that argument. Now if you’re worried about injuries and think we should trade him for an equal or close return I don’t blame you, hell I could even get behind that if it’s something realistic.

But I can’t take anyone serious saying he should be replaced in the starting lineup, or he’s overpaid or something. And I’m damn sure not dumping him for lesser players.

I think it's functionally impossible to trade him at this point. Would have been hard before, but with Jrue already out, unless it's like another Dame-level guy coming back, you just can't do it. It'd have to be a trade that makes absolutely no sense from the other side.

The speculative ideas I specialize in are 100% off the table, if they were ever on it. We're just going to have to find another way to get Jarace Walker.

[Shaffty]

I’m not even factoring in his accomplishments when discussing if he should start or be traded. The player he is right now is good enough for that argument. Now if you’re worried about injuries and think we should trade him for an equal or close return I don’t blame you, hell I could even get behind that if it’s something realistic.

But I can’t take anyone serious saying he should be replaced in the starting lineup, or he’s overpaid or something. And I’m damn sure not dumping him for lesser players.

I think it's functionally impossible to trade him at this point. Would have been hard before, but with Jrue already out, unless it's like another Dame-level guy coming back, you just can't do it. It'd have to be a trade that makes absolutely no sense from the other side.

The speculative ideas I specialize in are 100% off the table, if they were ever on it. We're just going to have to find another way to get Jarace Walker.

There are zero players better then Khris that you can trade khris for