Anthony Edwards Thread: Part Two (Read First Post)

[TimberKat]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39141079/anthony-edwards-walks-back-heat-moment-abortion-remark

I know this is the world we live in now, and this is common with pro athletes, but this makes me sad.
That's all I'll say on the matter lest it devolve into politics.

It makes you sad that ANT made the comments in the first place?

It's complicated once we dig into athlete's private life. Good thing Will the Stilt didn't play in this era. He could had overload this msg broad with stack overflow error. Ant should had listen to MJ - don't mess with Billie Jean.

[Klomp]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39141079/anthony-edwards-walks-back-heat-moment-abortion-remark

I know this is the world we live in now, and this is common with pro athletes, but this makes me sad.
That's all I'll say on the matter lest it devolve into politics.

It makes you sad that ANT made the comments in the first place?

It's complicated once we dig into athlete's private life. Good thing Will the Stilt didn't play in this era. He could had overload this msg broad with stack overflow error. Ant should had listen to MJ - don't mess with Billie Jean.

This has been my thinking. Every era has stars that did questionable stuff. No other era was as scrutinized for every move they make as this era.

[Colbinii]

It makes you sad that ANT made the comments in the first place?

It's complicated once we dig into athlete's private life. Good thing Will the Stilt didn't play in this era. He could had overload this msg broad with stack overflow error. Ant should had listen to MJ - don't mess with Billie Jean.

This has been my thinking. Every era has stars that did questionable stuff. No other era was as scrutinized for every move they make as this era.

Yup. It is why everything LeBron had to deal with was so much more difficult than Jordan.

I think it is important to treat people fairly and understand that words can and do hurt people. ANT has had not one but two instances where he said something that crosses a line and offends a group of people.

Guess what? So have I. So have many other people who are genuinely good people. As long as ANT learns and becomes a better person, I have no reason to think less of ANT as a human being.

I still wear my Adrian Peterson jersey with a friend [I have the home version, he has the away version, it's fun since we have each had the jerseys for 10+ years]. It doesn't mean I would want to hangout with Adrian Peterson, because I separate his personal life and who he is compared to what he is on the football field.

[BlacJacMac]

It's complicated once we dig into athlete's private life. Good thing Will the Stilt didn't play in this era. He could had overload this msg broad with stack overflow error. Ant should had listen to MJ - don't mess with Billie Jean.

This has been my thinking. Every era has stars that did questionable stuff. No other era was as scrutinized for every move they make as this era.

Yup. It is why everything LeBron had to deal with was so much more difficult than Jordan.

I think it is important to treat people fairly and understand that words can and do hurt people. ANT has had not one but two instances where he said something that crosses a line and offends a group of people.

Guess what? So have I. So have many other people who are genuinely good people. As long as ANT learns and becomes a better person, I have no reason to think less of ANT as a human being.

I still wear my Adrian Peterson jersey with a friend [I have the home version, he has the away version, it's fun since we have each had the jerseys for 10+ years]. It doesn't mean I would want to hangout with Adrian Peterson, because I separate his personal life and who he is compared to what he is on the football field.

I solved that "problem" by getting an Alan Page throwback.

Its a piece of my childhood, but also about as bulletproof of a jersey as you can get - both for Page as a player and a human being.

[Zonarosa]

I believe you need to play in at least 65 games to qualify for consideration on the All NBA teams which would qualify Ant for the Super Max extension. That's a TON of extra cash...and a much bigger bite of our Team Cap.

It does lead to some concerns about the thought process from both sides regarding decisions being made moving forward.

True, but there is another side to that. Let’s say Ant plays 5 game where he should not have (too sick or banged up.) Now let’s say he plays 68 total games including those 5. Those 5 count against his averages. So now he has 63 normal games (some good and some bad,) and 5 games with very few PPG, RPG, APG, and MPG. There are only 15 all NBA spots and they are position-less this year. If Ant tanks his averages he might miss it organically.

[Colbinii]

I believe you need to play in at least 65 games to qualify for consideration on the All NBA teams which would qualify Ant for the Super Max extension. That's a TON of extra cash...and a much bigger bite of our Team Cap.

It does lead to some concerns about the thought process from both sides regarding decisions being made moving forward.

True, but there is another side to that. Let’s say Ant plays 5 game where he should not have (too sick or banged up.) Now let’s say he plays 68 total games including those 5. Those 5 count against his averages. So now he has 63 normal games (some good and some bad,) and 5 games with very few PPG, RPG, APG, and MPG. There are only 15 all NBA spots and they are position-less this year. If Ant tanks his averages he might miss it organically.

LOL indeed. There is just no way a relatively healthy ANT is missing the All-NBA team this year. Too many players will be under the 65 game threshold.

[winforlose]

True, but there is another side to that. Let’s say Ant plays 5 game where he should not have (too sick or banged up.) Now let’s say he plays 68 total games including those 5. Those 5 count against his averages. So now he has 63 normal games (some good and some bad,) and 5 games with very few PPG, RPG, APG, and MPG. There are only 15 all NBA spots and they are position-less this year. If Ant tanks his averages he might miss it organically.

LOL indeed. There is just no way a relatively healthy ANT is missing the All-NBA team this year. Too many players will be under the 65 game threshold.

That is the variable. In the list I gave above he probably does miss it. But if enough of them miss 18 games or more, now he has a chance.

[Zonarosa]

LOL indeed. There is just no way a relatively healthy ANT is missing the All-NBA team this year. Too many players will be under the 65 game threshold.

That is the variable. In the list I gave above he probably does miss it. But if enough of them miss 18 games or more, now he has a chance.

why on earth are you worried about a small subset of games with below average numbers tanking his chances at an all-nba selection? maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn't. the premise is ridiculous either way.

butler made the 2nd team last year when he was 30th in scoring or whatever. if it was strictly about numbers you'd think it'd have been someone like trae or brunson, and brunson led his team to a better overall record.

if the season continues like it has and we end the regular season at or near the top, someone's going to make it regardless. possibly two of them.

but yeah, five subpar games coming off an injury is a dagger to his chances.

[winforlose]

LOL indeed. There is just no way a relatively healthy ANT is missing the All-NBA team this year. Too many players will be under the 65 game threshold.

That is the variable. In the list I gave above he probably does miss it. But if enough of them miss 18 games or more, now he has a chance.

why on earth are you worried about a small subset of games with below average numbers tanking his chances at an all-nba selection? maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn't. the premise is ridiculous either way.

butler made the 2nd team last year when he was 30th in scoring or whatever. if it was strictly about numbers you'd think it'd have been someone like trae or brunson, and brunson led his team to a better overall record.

if the season continues like it has and we end the regular season at or near the top, someone's going to make it regardless. possibly two of them.

but yeah, five subpar games coming off an injury is a dagger to his chances.

All NBA is position free this year. Name your 15 All NBA players.

[Zonarosa]

That is the variable. In the list I gave above he probably does miss it. But if enough of them miss 18 games or more, now he has a chance.

why on earth are you worried about a small subset of games with below average numbers tanking his chances at an all-nba selection? maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn't. the premise is ridiculous either way.

butler made the 2nd team last year when he was 30th in scoring or whatever. if it was strictly about numbers you'd think it'd have been someone like trae or brunson, and brunson led his team to a better overall record.

if the season continues like it has and we end the regular season at or near the top, someone's going to make it regardless. possibly two of them.

but yeah, five subpar games coming off an injury is a dagger to his chances.

All NBA is position free this year. Name your 15 All NBA players.

only a third of the season is gone. i'm not playing your game.

[winforlose]

why on earth are you worried about a small subset of games with below average numbers tanking his chances at an all-nba selection? maybe he makes it, maybe he doesn't. the premise is ridiculous either way.

butler made the 2nd team last year when he was 30th in scoring or whatever. if it was strictly about numbers you'd think it'd have been someone like trae or brunson, and brunson led his team to a better overall record.

if the season continues like it has and we end the regular season at or near the top, someone's going to make it regardless. possibly two of them.

but yeah, five subpar games coming off an injury is a dagger to his chances.

All NBA is position free this year. Name your 15 All NBA players.

only a third of the season is gone. i'm not playing your game.

Well I listed my names a couple pages back. You responded because you wanted to criticize, but you didn’t do your homework. Now you say Ant will likely be there but refuse to talk about who else will be. Why open your mouth with nothing to say?

[Zonarosa]

All NBA is position free this year. Name your 15 All NBA players.

only a third of the season is gone. i'm not playing your game.

Well I listed my names a couple pages back. You responded because you wanted to criticize, but you didn’t do your homework. Now you say Ant will likely be there but refuse to talk about who else will be. Why open your mouth with nothing to say?

my criticism was strictly due to you saying he'd be out of the running altogether because he had a few rough games coming off an injury.

which is about as absurd as your prior notion that okogie could play pg.

[winforlose]

only a third of the season is gone. i'm not playing your game.

Well I listed my names a couple pages back. You responded because you wanted to criticize, but you didn’t do your homework. Now you say Ant will likely be there but refuse to talk about who else will be. Why open your mouth with nothing to say?

my criticism was strictly due to you saying he'd be out of the running altogether because he had a few rough games coming off an injury.

which is about as absurd as your prior notion that okogie could play pg.

In both cases you misquoted me. I said that Ant playing hurt and putting up terrible numbers in 5 games could hurt his averages enough to harm his chances. I showed the math to explain the difference, and I showed the players he is competing against. The point was the margins are going to be narrow and missing a few games that he shouldn’t be in (Memphis for 3 minutes,) might be better overall. I never said it would definitely tank him or that rough games back are the same thing as games he is not healthy enough to play in.

Regarding Okogie, I said we needed to convert him to PG. A process that takes significant time and that he could thrive in that role. My reasoning was his BBIQ is obviously high if he can defend at a high level against multiple offensive schemes. I felt his handle was good enough and his finishing skills good enough that he could play the PG. I talked about how he plays too fast and too out of control on offense and how learning the game at a deeper level might slow things down. I also talked about how being a non shooter is easier when you are a facilitator rather than being a SG or SF.

You ignore the context to distort my positions in both instances.

[Zonarosa]

Well I listed my names a couple pages back. You responded because you wanted to criticize, but you didn’t do your homework. Now you say Ant will likely be there but refuse to talk about who else will be. Why open your mouth with nothing to say?

my criticism was strictly due to you saying he'd be out of the running altogether because he had a few rough games coming off an injury.

which is about as absurd as your prior notion that okogie could play pg.

In both cases you misquoted me. I said that Ant playing hurt and putting up terrible numbers in 5 games could hurt his averages enough to harm his chances. I showed the math to explain the difference, and I showed the players he is competing against. The point was the margins are going to be narrow and missing a few games that he shouldn’t be in (Memphis for 3 minutes,) might be better overall. I never said it would definitely tank him or that rough games back are the same thing as games he is not healthy enough to play in.

Regarding Okogie, I said we needed to convert him to PG. A process that takes significant time and that he could thrive in that role. My reasoning was his BBIQ is obviously high if he can defend at a high level against multiple offensive schemes. I felt his handle was good enough and his finishing skills good enough that he could play the PG. I talked about how he plays too fast and too out of control on offense and how learning the game at a deeper level might slow things down. I also talked about how being a non shooter is easier when you are a facilitator rather than being a SG or SF.

You ignore the context to distort my positions in both instances.

you're worried about him playing injured a few games, causing a slight drop in his numbers and potentially missing an all-nba nod because of it. those are your words.

i'm telling you that you're mistaken if you think the only thing writers and broadcasters care about are the damn numbers.

there's no distortion of anything i said, dude.

[winforlose]

my criticism was strictly due to you saying he'd be out of the running altogether because he had a few rough games coming off an injury.

which is about as absurd as your prior notion that okogie could play pg.

In both cases you misquoted me. I said that Ant playing hurt and putting up terrible numbers in 5 games could hurt his averages enough to harm his chances. I showed the math to explain the difference, and I showed the players he is competing against. The point was the margins are going to be narrow and missing a few games that he shouldn’t be in (Memphis for 3 minutes,) might be better overall. I never said it would definitely tank him or that rough games back are the same thing as games he is not healthy enough to play in.

Regarding Okogie, I said we needed to convert him to PG. A process that takes significant time and that he could thrive in that role. My reasoning was his BBIQ is obviously high if he can defend at a high level against multiple offensive schemes. I felt his handle was good enough and his finishing skills good enough that he could play the PG. I talked about how he plays too fast and too out of control on offense and how learning the game at a deeper level might slow things down. I also talked about how being a non shooter is easier when you are a facilitator rather than being a SG or SF.

You ignore the context to distort my positions in both instances.

you're worried about him playing injured a few games, causing a slight drop in his numbers and potentially missing an all-nba nod because of it. those are your words.

i'm telling you that you're mistaken if you think the only thing writers and broadcasters care about are the damn numbers.

there's no distortion of anything i said, dude.

Dane Moore talks a lot about how Ant playing through injury instead of resting till he is well is a drag on the team. He talked about how a 3 min and out game messes with the game plan and puts the team at a disadvantage. Other guests of his including Britt, Jace and others agree with him. If the writers and broadcasters are talking about it, is not a secret. We are talking about X factors. Lowering your averages while hurting your team is such an X factor. At this point we are agree to disagree.

I wanted the Wolves to spend a year developing Okogie into a PG. There is a massive difference. If you cannot acknowledge that difference than the conversation will never truly be accurate.

[Zonarosa]

In both cases you misquoted me. I said that Ant playing hurt and putting up terrible numbers in 5 games could hurt his averages enough to harm his chances. I showed the math to explain the difference, and I showed the players he is competing against. The point was the margins are going to be narrow and missing a few games that he shouldn’t be in (Memphis for 3 minutes,) might be better overall. I never said it would definitely tank him or that rough games back are the same thing as games he is not healthy enough to play in.

Regarding Okogie, I said we needed to convert him to PG. A process that takes significant time and that he could thrive in that role. My reasoning was his BBIQ is obviously high if he can defend at a high level against multiple offensive schemes. I felt his handle was good enough and his finishing skills good enough that he could play the PG. I talked about how he plays too fast and too out of control on offense and how learning the game at a deeper level might slow things down. I also talked about how being a non shooter is easier when you are a facilitator rather than being a SG or SF.

You ignore the context to distort my positions in both instances.

you're worried about him playing injured a few games, causing a slight drop in his numbers and potentially missing an all-nba nod because of it. those are your words.

i'm telling you that you're mistaken if you think the only thing writers and broadcasters care about are the damn numbers.

there's no distortion of anything i said, dude.

Dane Moore talks a lot about how Ant playing through injury instead of resting till he is well is a drag on the team. He talked about how a 3 min and out game messes with the game plan and puts the team at a disadvantage. Other guests of his including Britt, Jace and others agree with him. If the writers and broadcasters are talking about it, is not a secret. We are talking about X factors. Lowering your averages while hurting your team is such an X factor. At this point we are agree to disagree.

look at where you’ve taken this conversation. it’s gone from “a few bad games will hurt his bottom line stats and be a drag on his all-nba chances” to “dane moore says it puts the team at a disadvantage”.

you’re all over the damn place. pick a lane.

[winforlose]

you're worried about him playing injured a few games, causing a slight drop in his numbers and potentially missing an all-nba nod because of it. those are your words.

i'm telling you that you're mistaken if you think the only thing writers and broadcasters care about are the damn numbers.

there's no distortion of anything i said, dude.

Dane Moore talks a lot about how Ant playing through injury instead of resting till he is well is a drag on the team. He talked about how a 3 min and out game messes with the game plan and puts the team at a disadvantage. Other guests of his including Britt, Jace and others agree with him. If the writers and broadcasters are talking about it, is not a secret. We are talking about X factors. Lowering your averages while hurting your team is such an X factor. At this point we are agree to disagree.

look at where you’ve taken this conversation. it’s gone from “a few bad games will hurt his bottom line stats and be a drag on his all-nba chances” to “dane moore says it puts the team at a disadvantage”.

you’re all over the damn place. pick a lane.

You’re the one who brought up the beat writers and broadcasters. The ones who actually pick the All NBA players. You don’t think they listen to each other? You don’t think they talk to one another. Near as I can tell you either jumped into the conversation late and didn’t bother to read how it started or your just trying to troll me. Either way I am done. You disagree that 3 minutes and no stats is harmful fine. You disagree that half a point to a point off his season average hurts his all NBA chances fine. These are valid opinions, but so is my point that in a close race with a lot of deserving names playing in games you are too hurt to properly participate in is not good for him or us.

[Klomp]

Dane Moore talks a lot about how Ant playing through injury instead of resting till he is well is a drag on the team. He talked about how a 3 min and out game messes with the game plan and puts the team at a disadvantage. Other guests of his including Britt, Jace and others agree with him. If the writers and broadcasters are talking about it, is not a secret. We are talking about X factors. Lowering your averages while hurting your team is such an X factor. At this point we are agree to disagree.

look at where you’ve taken this conversation. it’s gone from “a few bad games will hurt his bottom line stats and be a drag on his all-nba chances” to “dane moore says it puts the team at a disadvantage”.

you’re all over the damn place. pick a lane.

You’re the one who brought up the beat writers and broadcasters. The ones who actually pick the All NBA players. You don’t think they listen to each other? You don’t think they talk to one another. Near as I can tell you either jumped into the conversation late and didn’t bother to read how it started or your just trying to troll me. Either way I am done. You disagree that 3 minutes and no stats is harmful fine. You disagree that half a point to a point off his season average hurts his all NBA chances fine. These are valid opinions, but so is my point that in a close race with a lot of deserving names playing in games you are too hurt to properly participate in is not good for him or us.

There basically are two paths to all-NBA:
-Put up eye-popping numbers
-Be the best player(s) on the best team.

I fear that even with dominant numbers, the national media (note: I don't believe any local guys vote for all-NBA) would bypass anyone from Minnesota in favor of someone from a bigger market. Whereas by being the best (or most-hyped) player on the best team, it's far more difficult for voters to explain away why they glossed over him, regardless of his numbers.

[Zonarosa]

Dane Moore talks a lot about how Ant playing through injury instead of resting till he is well is a drag on the team. He talked about how a 3 min and out game messes with the game plan and puts the team at a disadvantage. Other guests of his including Britt, Jace and others agree with him. If the writers and broadcasters are talking about it, is not a secret. We are talking about X factors. Lowering your averages while hurting your team is such an X factor. At this point we are agree to disagree.

look at where you’ve taken this conversation. it’s gone from “a few bad games will hurt his bottom line stats and be a drag on his all-nba chances” to “dane moore says it puts the team at a disadvantage”.

you’re all over the damn place. pick a lane.

You’re the one who brought up the beat writers and broadcasters. The ones who actually pick the All NBA players. You don’t think they listen to each other? You don’t think they talk to one another. Near as I can tell you either jumped into the conversation late and didn’t bother to read how it started or your just trying to troll me. Either way I am done. You disagree that 3 minutes and no stats is harmful fine. You disagree that half a point to a point off his season average hurts his all NBA chances fine. These are valid opinions, but so is my point that in a close race with a lot of deserving names playing in games you are too hurt to properly participate in is not good for him or us.

i brought up the media because a majority of those who vote aren’t following this team on a daily basis. they’re not paying attention to a mini-slump one person may have had. it’s completely negligible to them, and i pointed to butler earlier as an example.

dane moore doesn’t even have a vote.

[frankenwolf]

dane moore doesn’t even have a vote.

So, in this discussion of who votes, I pulled up the vote register from the 22-23 award votes. Here are the outlets that have the most votes:
ESPN 20
The Athletic 11
Warner Media 10
The Ringer 6
NBA.com 4
Sirius Radio 3
Yahoo Sports 2
Sports Illustrated 2
Boston Globe 2
Associated Press 2
Fox Sports 2

There are, of course a number of outlets that have one to make the 100 votes.