Long term future for our young core

[theBigLip]

It’s hard not to focus on our team’s horrible record. Bad. Very bad.

But this is part of a process - clean up our cap and develop our young core. So in 5 years, where do you think our players will be? My take:

Cade - AllStar
Duren - AllStar
Ivey - 20ppg starter
Thompson - First team AllDefense, 10ppg
Sassar - 3rd guard, possibly starter (not on Pistons)
Wiseman - legit backup big
Livers - legit backup 3/4, 35%+ 3pointers

This will be a great thread to pull up in a few years

[Snakebites]

Where do I think they'll be?

On other teams. Other than Livers. He'll be overseas.

Sorry Lip, I respect your attempts to be positive about the situation. I really do. But I gotta be true to how I'm feeling.

[flow]

Come on, man. I know you're a Michigan man who has love for Livers, but he's not part of any core here. This could well be his last year in the league. He's not an nba player.

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[Billl]

Cade - all star
duren - solid starter
ivey - bench scorer
Thompson - first team all defense
sassar - deep bench player
wiseman - out of league
livers - out of league.

I'll be pretty surprised if anyone besides cade and duren are on our roster. We're going to need to make some moves to build an actual team around cade, not just a collection of talent.

[Uncle Mxy]

Livers is older than Bagley, but he's part of our "young core" while Bagley isn't. Hmmm...

[theBigLip]

Where do I think they'll be?

On other teams. Other than Livers. He'll be overseas.

Sorry Lip, I respect your attempts to be positive about the situation. I really do. But I gotta be true to how I'm feeling.

One has to be true to their feelings. All good with that.

But are these guys developing into legit starters? All out of the league? 5 years is a long time. Just curious on everyone’s thoughts.

[NYPiston]

This is not part of a process. The team is not supposed to regress every year of a rebuild, the process is supposed to be progression even through the hard times and we're not getting that from anybody really. I don't know what to call this but I certainly wouldn't chalk it up to being part of a process. Look at OKC, Orlando, Cleveland and now Houston. Those were all teams that were in full rebuild mode when the Pistons tore it all down and now look at where each franchise is at.

As far as the long term future of the core is concerned? I really don't know....

Cade seems like a keeper but his rookie contract is ending soon so is he worth the max?
Duren looks like a potential long term keeper but he has very real flaws that need to be improved upon if he wants to be an average starter in this league. All the physical gifts in the world but I'm not sure if the brain matches.
Ausar has the brain and the physical gifts but if he can't ever shoot it's going to be tough for him to be more than a very solid complimentary player
Ivey, not too different than Duren in that he has all the physical gifts but does he have the brain to play winning basketball?
Everybody else? Who cares really. I think Sasser could be a solid microwave scorer off the bench but that's all I got in terms of who to keep beyond this year.

I see it as Cade being the lone keeper with Duren and Ausar on the periphery, need to let them grow and see what they become but there's some major question marks about their fit in todays' game with offense and shooting being such a huge part of the game.

[Snakebites]

Where do I think they'll be?

On other teams. Other than Livers. He'll be overseas.

Sorry Lip, I respect your attempts to be positive about the situation. I really do. But I gotta be true to how I'm feeling.

One has to be true to their feelings. All good with that.

But are these guys developing into legit starters? All out of the league? 5 years is a long time. Just curious on everyone’s thoughts.

Ausar won’t be a starter unless he learns to shoot.

Outside of that Cade and Duren are the only ones I see as starters. And I’m not sure they’re even above average starters.

[Canadafan]

Cade-all star starter
Duren-top 5-10 center in league
Ivey-solid#3 option on our team averaging 20ppg
Ausur-develops a 3pt shot and makes all defense team
OG- the guy that brings it all together oh yaaaaaa

[theBigLip]

Livers is older than Bagley, but he's part of our "young core" while Bagley isn't. Hmmm...

Good point. Forgot that Livers did all 4 years of college.

[Patrick27]

Cade 27yo - Fringe All-star/ASG replacement level player, i.e. DeMar Derozan. Still on Pistons after signing for the max.
Duren 25yo - Average athletic defensive starting C, limited offensively, resigned below max with Detroit
Ivey 26yo - Scoring bench guard for another team (Chicago?), top-10 for 6th man of the year
Thompson 25yo - Starting SF, defensive stopper, All-NBA defense, but still limited offense. Resigned at above MLE.
Sasser 28yo - 4th guard/depth on another team. Denver? Utah? Rebuilding Phoenix?
Wiseman 27yo - Playing overseas
Livers 30yo - Retired from NBA after 24/25 season

The team will lose patience and rush the rebuild by overpaying for a veteran fringe star that slightly moves the needle, ala the Ben Gordon/Allen Iverson/Blake Griffin eras. Someone like Zion, Klay Thompson, Julius Randle, Siakim, Adebayo, or KAT.

Team goes 40-42 in 2028/2029, 7th seed. Loses in first round.

[ComboGuardCity]

Where do I think they'll be?

On other teams. Other than Livers. He'll be overseas.

Sorry Lip, I respect your attempts to be positive about the situation. I really do. But I gotta be true to how I'm feeling.

One has to be true to their feelings. All good with that.

But are these guys developing into legit starters? All out of the league? 5 years is a long time. Just curious on everyone’s thoughts.

Ausar won’t be a starter unless he learns to shoot.

Outside of that Cade and Duren are the only ones I see as starters. And I’m not sure they’re even above average starters.

Cade is a top 30 guard right now. He’s definitely an above average starter.

[Mr Peanut]

Cade - All-Star
Duren - Above average starting center but not All-Star
Ivey - Good scoring option but lack of defense limiting overall potential
Thompson - All-Star (I think he develops a good offensive game to go with his all-NBA defense)
Sasser - Bench scoring guard
Livers - Out of the league after this 23-24 season (or soon after)

[Uncle Mxy]

Cade: Broke-down hobo, dealing heroin on the beach
Duren: Porn superstar and President of the United States
Ivey: Assistant Coach, Seattle Superscreamers
Thompson: "Actor" (stunt double for Amen Thompson)
Sasser: All-Star
Livers: 3rd Place, Sideshow Bob Lookalike Contest (shave the beard)

Oh, and Bagman and Wiseley continue to remain tall long-term

[Moses ShamMoses]

I'll play along. Obviously nobody really knows but I'll go with my gut.

Cade - part time all-star, 2nd or 3rd best player on a great team
Duren - Solid starter, but a 4th or 5th option
Ivey - 6th man scorer off the bench on a good team
Thompson - Superstar or bust; I'll go with Superstar
Sassar - vet journeyman bench guard but fans love him
Wiseman - Playing overseas; I hope I'm wrong but the potential shine wears off eventually
Livers - fringe rotation guy on bad teams; deep bench on good teams

[LSV]

Well, I think it could be something like this:

* CADE will be ALL-STAR, and our franchise player.
* We will sign a quality SG.
* IVEY will be our sixth man, and there will always be 2 of these 3 on the court (CADE-FICHAJE-IVEY).
* SASSER will be part of the rotation, but in minutes beyond the previous 3 or CADE plays as SF.
* THOMPSON will be ALL-DEFENSIVE, and the team union between PG-SG and PF-C.
* We will sign a quality PF.
* DUREN will also be ALL-STAR, although less often than CADE.
* STEWART will be a good substitute at Center.
* WISEMAN will be a good substitute in the Center, but he will have DUREN and STEWART ahead of him. It seems that he has a slower learning rate than most, but it could end up being a success. The renewal price will be the key.

We will have a great team, something that has borne fruit in Detroit, above individualities. Teamwork in BAD BOYS and GOING TO WORK.

[Laimbeer]

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[7r5ur]

Hard to say, but I think for sure at least TWO of Ivey, Ausar, Duren, or Cade will be moved in the next few years, with one of them being Ausar or Duren.

[breezypeezy]

Livers is garbage how much evidence does one need to see that minute swallowing, zilch producing, walking injury incoming, fragility like china doll?

Id package Livers, Killian, Stew, Bags and Wiseman for any decent shooter available. Cumatively they are 96 minutes of 10 point production at a 33% rate. Not winning basketball players constantly forcing us into 3 on 5 levels of contribution.

The others Cade, Ivey, Duren, Sasser and Auser are worth keeping and have attributes you can work with at least.

[GreekAlex]

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Damn. The fight in the group is what Troy & Monty were going on about during his introductory press conference.

I wonder what happened to the group.

It seems like:

1. The players are uncomfortable with what’s being asked of them.

Or

2. Lost confidence due to lack of clarity in their roles.


Any other guesses?