Celts Stink Up The Bay, Can't Get the Dub! Loss vs GSW 12/19

ConstableGeneva · Post #321 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:19 pm

Celtics went 3/18 (16.7% FG%) and 2/9 from 3 in 8.6 clutch minutes w/ 2 turnovers.
Warriors went 7/17 (41.2% FG%) and 4/10 from 3 w/ 0 turnovers.

A lot of blown layups/putbacks and missed wide open threes.

BK_2020 · Post #322 » by **BK_2020** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:20 pm

fallguy wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:What does Ja have to do with a coach not putting them in the best position to win?

The Grizzlies ran a dribble ISO. That's not really any kind of coaching, it's asking Ja to make something happen.

When you have Ja, that's not a bad ATO play. Jenkins knows his personnel.

Tatum bombing a contested three - our usual end-game go-to - is a terrible shot. Especially when you need one point to win.

We have all sorts of stuff we can do to get a better shot without leaving time on the clock. This should be obvious?

Yeah that's kinda my point. Having a Ja gives you more options. We don't really have a lot of good options for scoring in situations where defense is willing to sell out to stop one guy and you don't really have time to swing the ball around.

Celts17Pride · Post #323 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:22 pm

tfmiii wrote:Apologies if already posted...

Read on Twitter

There wasn't enough time for 50 misses.

Celts17Pride · Post #324 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:24 pm

Green89 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Bad idea for JB to be making that "too little" gesture to Steph.

I just don't get JB's thinking.

I think we're winless in all games where Brown either flexes in the first half, and/or makes "too small" gestures on anybody.

The has nothing to do with anything. :lol:

Green89 · Post #325 » by **Green89** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:32 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Green89 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Bad idea for JB to be making that "too little" gesture to Steph.

I just don't get JB's thinking.

I think we're winless in all games where Brown either flexes in the first half, and/or makes "too small" gestures on anybody.

The has nothing to do with anything.

He does **** like that in too many games we lose. How'd that work out for Grant? It looks fine when you win, but real dumb when you end up losing. His too small photo/video is all over the media today, and not in a good way.

Celts17Pride · Post #326 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:34 pm

Green89 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Green89 wrote:
I think we're winless in all games where Brown either flexes in the first half, and/or makes "too small" gestures on anybody.

The has nothing to do with anything.

He does **** like that in too many games we lose. How'd that work out for Grant? It looks fine when you win, but real dumb when you end up losing. His too small photo/video is all over the media today.

Big reach

There were 22 players last night making 30 different gestures. This has nothing to do with anything :lol:

Every NBA player makes some kind of gesture after every basket they make. :lol:

I guess half of them were wrong.

Green89 · Post #327 » by **Green89** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:37 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Green89 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:The has nothing to do with anything.

He does **** like that in too many games we lose. How'd that work out for Grant? It looks fine when you win, but real dumb when you end up losing. His too small photo/video is all over the media today.

Big reach

There were 22 players last night making 30 different gestures. This has nothing to do with anything

Every NBA player makes some kind of gesture after every basket they make.

I guess half of them were wrong.

Show me posts about the other 30, because all the coverage I see is on Brown's too small gesture.

Celts17Pride · Post #328 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:38 pm

Green89 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Green89 wrote:
He does **** like that in too many games we lose. How'd that work out for Grant? It looks fine when you win, but real dumb when you end up losing. His too small photo/video is all over the media today.

Big reach

There were 22 players last night making 30 different gestures. This has nothing to do with anything

Every NBA player makes some kind of gesture after every basket they make.

I guess half of them were wrong.

Show me posts about the other 30, because all the coverage I see is on Brown's too small gesture.

Weak.

Post #329 » by **Shak_Celts** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:48 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Green89 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:The has nothing to do with anything.

He does **** like that in too many games we lose. How'd that work out for Grant? It looks fine when you win, but real dumb when you end up losing. His too small photo/video is all over the media today.

Big reach

There were 22 players last night making 30 different gestures. This has nothing to do with anything

Every NBA player makes some kind of gesture after every basket they make.

I guess half of them were wrong.

I’m with them, any time brown does anything other than flex, we tend to lose. Any game he dabs up someone in the crowd and most of the too little games we lose. Ergo, he’s at fault for those losses.

Celts17Pride · Post #330 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:54 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Green89 wrote:
He does **** like that in too many games we lose. How'd that work out for Grant? It looks fine when you win, but real dumb when you end up losing. His too small photo/video is all over the media today.

Big reach

There were 22 players last night making 30 different gestures. This has nothing to do with anything

Every NBA player makes some kind of gesture after every basket they make.

I guess half of them were wrong.

I’m with them, any time brown does anything other than flex, we tend to lose. Any game he dabs up someone in the crowd and most of the too little games we lose. Ergo, he’s at fault for those losses.

Nothing to do with Tatum, Horford and Hauser scoring a combined 28 points on 38 shot attempts?

Pretty weak blaming gestures in my opinion when half the NBA does it on a nightly basis.

fallguy · Post #331 » by **fallguy** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:12 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:The Grizzlies ran a dribble ISO. That's not really any kind of coaching, it's asking Ja to make something happen.

When you have Ja, that's not a bad ATO play. Jenkins knows his personnel.

Tatum bombing a contested three - our usual end-game go-to - is a terrible shot. Especially when you need one point to win.

We have all sorts of stuff we can do to get a better shot without leaving time on the clock. This should be obvious?

Yeah that's kinda my point. Having a Ja gives you more options. We don't really have a lot of good options for scoring in situations where defense is willing to sell out to stop one guy and you don't really have time to swing the ball around.

But had we called timeout and advanced the ball, we would have had what - 13 seconds or so? That's plenty of time for an actual play and there should be tons of options with this group. At the very least you get an open three off a double on Tatum.

fallguy · Post #332 » by **fallguy** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:15 pm

reload141 wrote:I know a guy, who is close to Tatum and he’s letting it be known that he is wanting Brown out….

LOL you slipped this one in last night and I missed it.

Green89 · Post #333 » by **Green89** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 7:23 pm

fallguy wrote:
reload141 wrote:I know a guy, who is close to Tatum and he’s letting it be known that he is wanting Brown out….

LOL you slipped this one in last night and I missed it.

The alley-oop Brown tried to throw to him did look like it got JT peeved.

GoCeltics123 · Post #334 » by **GoCeltics123** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:17 pm

fallguy wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
When you have Ja, that's not a bad ATO play. Jenkins knows his personnel.

Tatum bombing a contested three - our usual end-game go-to - is a terrible shot. Especially when you need one point to win.

We have all sorts of stuff we can do to get a better shot without leaving time on the clock. This should be obvious?

Yeah that's kinda my point. Having a Ja gives you more options. We don't really have a lot of good options for scoring in situations where defense is willing to sell out to stop one guy and you don't really have time to swing the ball around.

But had we called timeout and advanced the ball, we would have had what - 13 seconds or so? That's plenty of time for an actual play and there should be tons of options with this group. At the very least you get an open three off a double on Tatum.

I don't really have a strong opinion on timeouts at the end of games either way but you're definitely letting Tatum off the hook here.

He had a driving lane, decided not take it, and took a fadeaway 3. That's on him. If he drove, he had Al open in the corner and Curry had to come over to help.

Lee Van Cleef · Post #335 » by **Lee Van Cleef** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:41 pm

I wonder what Joe's close-game winning rate is. I'm sure it's close to zero.

Bar Fight · Post #336 » by **Bar Fight** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:44 pm

BK_2020 wrote:I mean Ja is a 6'2 guard who might be the most explosive driver in the league. You can't just ask Tatum or Jaylen to start doing what Ja does. They can't.

Well, I mean they also can’t hit contested pull up threes so might as well try something different

JR Hawks · Post #337 » by **JR Hawks** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:45 pm

The Celtics defense sucks and will continue to suck under Joe. And there will be no championship with a defense that sucks. We can keep trying the same thing and expect a different result, but we're wasting prime championship years with Joe.

We're fixing to get exposed in a major way on this road trip. If we do, it's time to pull the plug on Joe. Otherwise, more playoff disappointment coming up.

ConstableGeneva · Post #338 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:46 pm

Lee Van Cleef wrote:I wonder what Joe's close-game winning rate is. I'm sure it's close to zero.

2023-24: 9-5 (64.3%)
2022-23: 24-13 (64.9%)
2021-22: 13-22 (37.1%)

ConstableGeneva · Post #339 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:47 pm

Bar Fight wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:I mean Ja is a 6'2 guard who might be the most explosive driver in the league. You can't just ask Tatum or Jaylen to start doing what Ja does. They can't.

Well, I mean they also can’t hit contested pull up threes so might as well try something different

If Tyler Zeller and Jae Crowder can hit game-winners, I'm sure JT and JB can.

BK_2020 · Post #340 » by **BK_2020** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 8:48 pm

Bar Fight wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:I mean Ja is a 6'2 guard who might be the most explosive driver in the league. You can't just ask Tatum or Jaylen to start doing what Ja does. They can't.

Well, I mean they also can’t hit contested pull up threes so might as well try something different

Tatum should develop a pull up or a floater. He has a midrange game but it's not really suited for a 3-level attack drive game.

What was most Ass-of-Shameful?