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2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm

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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#481 » by VFX » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:53 am

This team relies on Paolo and Franz heavily for scoring output. If either, or both, are off it’s usually game over.

Time to find a stopgap point guard that can run things and make it easier for them rather than a “by committee” offensive approach. Black is raw and absolutely worthy of investment.

If this FO wants it both ways by “winning now” and “development” at the same exact time, then they need to fill some gaps of inexperience in the starting lineup. And no, I’m not talking about Fultz and Gary Harris. I’m talking about players that have an actual resume and a track record of winning basketball games.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#482 » by GameOver25 » Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:59 am

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KillMonger wrote:Sometimes with paolo it seems like he forgets he's 6'10 250.....too finesse, not enough power.....Though if we had more space

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Probably tired of crashing his way through double and triple teams in the paint. Been saying this for months- he needs some backcourt shooting NOW. Worrying about taking shots away from He and Franz is ridiculous. They need complementary help to be their best…ANYBODY is stoppable if their teammates can be largely ignored.


Paolo needs to learn to kick the ball out more then instead of forcing the shot and chasing a foul. We can have all the shooters in the world but it’s of no use if he doesn’t use them.


Paolo also needs to better navigate areas of the floor where he's a threat and use that to either attack or find shooters (I use this loosely). Because right now I feel like he's attacking without a plan, and foul hunting and players are just watching him. So now everything is ISO and if he can't draw a foul, it's turning into a wasted possession. I'll be paying attention to the trend on this.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#483 » by KillMonger » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:11 am

GameOver25 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Probably tired of crashing his way through double and triple teams in the paint. Been saying this for months- he needs some backcourt shooting NOW. Worrying about taking shots away from He and Franz is ridiculous. They need complementary help to be their best…ANYBODY is stoppable if their teammates can be largely ignored.


Paolo needs to learn to kick the ball out more then instead of forcing the shot and chasing a foul. We can have all the shooters in the world but it’s of no use if he doesn’t use them.


Paolo also needs to better navigate areas of the floor where he's a threat and use that to either attack or find shooters (I use this loosely). Because right now I feel like he's attacking without a plan, and foul hunting and players are just watching him. So now everything is ISO and if he can't draw a foul, it's turning into a wasted possession. I'll be paying attention to the trend on this.
Also needs to be more motion off ball, tired of seeing paolo iso or get doubled and guys are just standing there ball watching..... There was one possession where he got doubled and nobody came to the ball, he had to jump pass it cross court..... Like really?

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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#484 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 21, 2023 4:14 am

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Optimus_Steel wrote:Easily the worst loss of the year. Just absolutely gave up with 5 mins left in the 2nd quarter and played like total idiots.

Wait until tomorrow.


In order to win, we need playoff type intensity, energy and defense especially when our already below average shooting gets worst.
And it's simply impossible to sustain that type of derense and energy in nba over 82 games.

And playing every game like it's playoffs wears you off both mentally and physically.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#485 » by thelead » Thu Dec 21, 2023 5:31 am

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SOUL wrote:Kings just shot 21 threes.. in the first quarter


With Fox hitting 6 of them in the 1st quarter, crazy

They ended up shooting 21-44 from deep and still got Molly Whopped by the Celtics (who were missing Tatum) :lol:

Goes to show you that shooting isn’t everything. Finding that balance between good shooting and good defense is the key. If Franz could get his head out of his rear we would be looking much better.
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Post#486 » by Orl_Magic » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:02 am

MagicMatic wrote:This team relies on Paolo and Franz heavily for scoring output. If either, or both, are off it’s usually game over.

Time to find a stopgap point guard that can run things and make it easier for them rather than a “by committee” offensive approach. Black is raw and absolutely worthy of investment.

If this FO wants it both ways by “winning now” and “development” at the same exact time, then they need to fill some gaps of inexperience in the starting lineup. And no, I’m not talking about Fultz and Gary Harris. I’m talking about players that have an actual resume and a track record of winning basketball games.



Malcolm Brogdon but no way our FO pulls the trigger
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#487 » by Howard Mass » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:32 am

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There is no sugarcoating it, this was absolutely embarrassing. And in perspective maybe the worst performance of the past decade given the start of the year.


Maybe not decade but definitely of season.



Yes it was of the past decade. They unveil the new arena name and then bend over like that. Yup worst of the decade.


It was naming rights. It was not the worst loss of a decade.

The Magic spoiled at least one jersey Retirement for Miami. That's way worse.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#488 » by RichCollab » Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:46 am

You win some you lose some. I have accepted defeat. On to the next.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#489 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:19 am

thelead wrote:
ChosenSavior wrote:
SOUL wrote:Kings just shot 21 threes.. in the first quarter


With Fox hitting 6 of them in the 1st quarter, crazy

They ended up shooting 21-44 from deep and still got Molly Whopped by the Celtics (who were missing Tatum) :lol:

Goes to show you that shooting isn’t everything. Finding that balance between good shooting and good defense is the key. If Franz could get his head out of his rear we would be looking much better.


They got whooped because Celtics shot 22-42 for 3 themselfs and because White and Holiday looked like prime Curry & Klay for a night ( 10-15 for 3 :crazy: )

Sacramento in general is type of team that should probably trade off little bit of offfense for better defense.

Celtics, when healthy, are probably the best team in nba toda.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#490 » by SOUL » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:21 am

Celts have 5 guys that can average 20 ppg.. we have.. maybe 2 right now and that's when Franz isn't struggling
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#491 » by jezzerinho » Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:59 am

pepe1991 wrote:
thelead wrote:
ChosenSavior wrote:
With Fox hitting 6 of them in the 1st quarter, crazy

They ended up shooting 21-44 from deep and still got Molly Whopped by the Celtics (who were missing Tatum) :lol:

Goes to show you that shooting isn’t everything. Finding that balance between good shooting and good defense is the key. If Franz could get his head out of his rear we would be looking much better.


They got whooped because Celtics shot 22-42 for 3 themselfs and because White and Holiday looked like prime Curry & Klay for a night ( 10-15 for 3 :crazy: )

Sacramento in general is type of team that should probably trade off little bit of offfense for better defense.

Celtics, when healthy, are probably the best team in nba toda.


Could we get Monk somehow?

Our "shooting" guards just shot 23%.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#492 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:05 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
thelead wrote:They ended up shooting 21-44 from deep and still got Molly Whopped by the Celtics (who were missing Tatum) :lol:

Goes to show you that shooting isn’t everything. Finding that balance between good shooting and good defense is the key. If Franz could get his head out of his rear we would be looking much better.


They got whooped because Celtics shot 22-42 for 3 themselfs and because White and Holiday looked like prime Curry & Klay for a night ( 10-15 for 3 :crazy: )

Sacramento in general is type of team that should probably trade off little bit of offfense for better defense.

Celtics, when healthy, are probably the best team in nba toda.


Could we get Monk somehow?

Our "shooting" guards just shot 23%.


Maybe, but for who?
He is ultra cheap for what he does. On top of it, he is just 25 y.o.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#493 » by Ralof » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:17 am

Miami is a better team,nothing more to see there.

We have just to win the games we can win until the end of the season to reach play-in,do our duty.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#494 » by drsd » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:30 am

Bensational wrote:Paolo needs to learn to kick the ball out more then instead of forcing the shot and chasing a foul. We can have all the shooters in the world but it’s of no use if he doesn’t use them.


I don't 100% agree. There is a lot to the Karl Malone / Tim Duncan approach to manufacturing points. My problem is how easy it has been for defenders to strip the ball from Banchero on his drives. This is a fixable glitch to his game;' and one that need IMMEDIATE attention.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#495 » by drsd » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:32 am

Ralof wrote:Miami is a better team,nothing more to see there.

We have just to win the games we can win until the end of the season to reach play-in,do our duty.


You are right. But the Magic still disappoint here. What a poo-poo platter that was served on the long-ball offense AND long-ball defense. Yuck.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#496 » by drsd » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:35 am

Box score thoughts:

Orlando lost the FG% diferntial battle and lost the game.

But it was actually worse as in eFG%, Orlando got smoked. By my maths, the Magic hit 60% of their 2-balls; so why keep jacking up hopless 3 pt attempts. Sad.

Orlando dominate the boards and finished +10. That led to more FG attempts.

Also good to see the super low 11 TOs on offense.
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#497 » by drsd » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:37 am

Carter had a good game in return, F-Wagner's struggles continue, and Banchero laid a rotten egg.

In conclusion: Black proves, yet again, he should not be a starting PG for this team.

p.s. G-Harris was horrible in this game. Sad to see him revert to his mean here. If he is with the Magic after the trade deadline, I will be in total shock.
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Post#498 » by jezzerinho » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:55 am

pepe1991 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
They got whooped because Celtics shot 22-42 for 3 themselfs and because White and Holiday looked like prime Curry & Klay for a night ( 10-15 for 3 :crazy: )

Sacramento in general is type of team that should probably trade off little bit of offfense for better defense.

Celtics, when healthy, are probably the best team in nba toda.


Could we get Monk somehow?

Our "shooting" guards just shot 23%.


Maybe, but for who?
He is ultra cheap for what he does. On top of it, he is just 25 y.o.


Monk and McGee for Carter Jr and Black?
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#499 » by pepe1991 » Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:21 am

jezzerinho wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
Could we get Monk somehow?

Our "shooting" guards just shot 23%.


Maybe, but for who?
He is ultra cheap for what he does. On top of it, he is just 25 y.o.


Monk and McGee for Carter Jr and Black?


Too much?

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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 26: Miami Heat (15-12) at Orlando Magic (16-9) - 7pm 

Post#500 » by eyriq » Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:08 pm

Lost a game we should have won. Bummer

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