NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[eyeatoma]

Wish we had a MVP thread to put these in.....


But can't argue with the results. It's a long season though and anything can happen. Jokic/Embiid/Giannis have showed they are the top 3 for 4+ straight seasons, which is kind of amazing for the era of guards.

I'd say the strawpoll deserves it's own thread but what do I know...

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Arguably, too many Embiid topics, where it just becomes redundant.

If there weren't so many, then yes, obviously would be fine.

Nothing against the topic per se... simply a question of being reasonable and not having 2-3-4-5 topics on the first two or three pages or last day or three.

No worries man totally get it.

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[Cubbies2120]

Good god... New low from you man....

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It's literally fact-checkable lol. Y'all say Jokic stays in until he gets a triple double (despite literally leading league in 'Sombor Doubles' AKA going to the bench before hitting 10 assists or rebounds...being 1 shy for like the last 4 years lol).

That's not a "new low", but posting something that can be verified is? If I misunderstood the stats that I saw, please feel free to correct me.

It's by design.

Embiid scores in the 1st and the 3rd and Maxey the 2nd and the 4th.

Maxey has a very low average in the 1st quarter.

It's something Nurse is working on but essentially Maxey wants to get his guys going at the start of the game and at the start of the 2nd half.

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Ah, ok! So Jokic setting up teammates for easy buckets is by design as well, and we won't hear anymore StAt pAdDiNg (despite, like I said, him leading the NBA for past few years in missing TD by 1 stat), right? Since Embiid isn't stat padding when he's about to sit the whole 4th quarter, chucking up shots in the 3rd is design...

Would be hypocritical to say one is, and one isn't.

[bigboi]

Said it a few days ago, and I’ll say it again. If you haven’t got Embiid leading right now, you are playing some amazing mental gymnastics.

What if I had Jokic MVP until tonight for his superior BPM and SOS but I just changed my vote to Embiid after tonight?

Keep using made up junk stats. Good thing the voters don’t even take those stats in consideration when voting. It’s not complicated, Embiid is MVP rn

[GSWFan1994]

Seems like it will be Embiid/Giannis/Jokic in some random combination until the end of the decade at least, or when/if any of them declines/gets injured.

These 3 are clearly above the rest of the field, and it's been like that for 3/4 years now.

[Special_Puppy]

Embiid now the betting favorite to be MVP.

[CD_41]

Even tough the narrative is not in his favour ("Jokic should´ve won last year" etc.) his playing level and overall team record puts Embiid comfortably at No. 1. The season still has a long way to go, but for now he is the MVP.

[Special_Puppy]

Just a reminder that Embiid didn't get a single first place vote in the first 2022-23 ESPN MVP straw poll. We got A TON of basketball left to play

[Cubbies2120]

Said it a few days ago, and I’ll say it again. If you haven’t got Embiid leading right now, you are playing some amazing mental gymnastics.

What if I had Jokic MVP until tonight for his superior BPM and SOS but I just changed my vote to Embiid after tonight?

Keep using made up junk stats. Good thing the voters don’t even take those stats in consideration when voting. It’s not complicated, Embiid is MVP rn

These "junk" stats are created by minds who are far superior to anyone on RealGM. We're all the equivalent of braindead morons compared to inventors of EPM/BPM/etc. So excuse me for choosing not to settle on some random RealGM posters "eye test" opinions as the de facto "truth". Voters most certainly do take these stats into consideration when voting btw. Do you just love being wrong and seeming so certain of your answers in the process?

[Cubbies2120]

Genuinely curious:

Why are Embiid and Giannis's best scoring games always at home, while some other superstars have their highest scoring games more...evenly distributed at home vs. away? Do they just play worse on the road (this happens to role players a lot too), is reffing a little different at home vs. away, or is it simply all a coincidence?

Example:
Giannis: To find his next top scoring road game, you gotta go 12 games deep. Top 3 playoff career highs are ALL at home
Embiid: To find his next top scoring road game, you gotta go 10 games deep. Top 3 playoff career highs are ALL at home (ALL vs. Hawks)
Jokic: He already has 3 road games by the time you get 8 games deep...Top 3 playoff career highs are ALL on the road.
Luka (most impressive IMO) is at 5 of 10 top scoring games being on the road | Top 3 playoff career highs (top 2 on road, 1 at home)

Is it partially due to Luka/Jokic playing in insane European environments for a while and getting used to the rough road crowds?

Genuine Q here.

[Special_Puppy]

Jokic narrowly ahead in DPM
Embiid way ahead in EPM
Jokic narrowly ahead in LEBRON
Jokic modestly ahead in Time Decay RAPM
Jokic modestly ahead in BPM

If you do a weighted average of all the stats its very unclear whether Jokic or Embiid would be ahead

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic narrowly ahead in DPM
Embiid way ahead in EPM
Jokic narrowly ahead in LEBRON
Jokic modestly ahead in Time Decay RAPM
Jokic modestly ahead in BPM

If you do a weighted average of all the stats its very unclear whether Jokic or Embiid would be ahead

Yeah but we gotta unfairly use Embiid's playoff failures against his MVP chances, weigh that in there somewhere too.

Or is that only after the 2nd MVP? I'm starting to lose track of where historical precedence matters and where it doesn't.

[bigboi]

What if I had Jokic MVP until tonight for his superior BPM and SOS but I just changed my vote to Embiid after tonight?

Keep using made up junk stats. Good thing the voters don’t even take those stats in consideration when voting. It’s not complicated, Embiid is MVP rn

These "junk" stats are created by minds who are far superior to anyone on RealGM. We're all the equivalent of braindead morons compared to inventors of EPM/BPM/etc. So excuse me for choosing not to settle on some random RealGM posters "eye test" opinions as the de facto "truth". Voters most certainly do take these stats into consideration when voting btw. Do you just love being wrong and seeming so certain of your answers in the process?

I’m not taking any of your opinions seriously. You have ZERO objective analysis and 90% of your posts in this thread have been Jokic fan club posts. Unless we’re talking the real, don’t want to hear it.

Embiid is the clear MVP as of now and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. None of the voters are taking BPM or SOS into consideration when voting for MVP so it’s not even worth mentioning. We just had posters say “Embiid can only abuse weak teams and dude came out and took a steaming crap on the best defense in the league”. It’s hilarious. Keep supporting Jokic tho

[Cubbies2120]

Keep using made up junk stats. Good thing the voters don’t even take those stats in consideration when voting. It’s not complicated, Embiid is MVP rn

These "junk" stats are created by minds who are far superior to anyone on RealGM. We're all the equivalent of braindead morons compared to inventors of EPM/BPM/etc. So excuse me for choosing not to settle on some random RealGM posters "eye test" opinions as the de facto "truth". Voters most certainly do take these stats into consideration when voting btw. Do you just love being wrong and seeming so certain of your answers in the process?

I’m not taking any of your opinions seriously. You have ZERO objective analysis and 90% of your posts in this thread have been Jokic fan club posts. Unless we’re talking the real, don’t want to hear it.

Embiid is the clear MVP as of now and anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. None of the voters are taking BPM or SOS into consideration when voting for MVP so it’s not even worth mentioning. We just had posters say “Embiid can only abuse weak teams and dude came out and took a steaming crap on the best defense in the league”. It’s hilarious. Keep supporting Jokic tho

Who is saying he ONLY abuses those? You are making that claim.

I believe the claim was he MOSTLY abuses the weakest teams in the league, and that claim is true.

I know, I know, I hate data-backed arguments just as much as the next guy

[RB34]

Even tough the narrative is not in his favour ("Jokic should´ve won last year" etc.) his playing level and overall team record puts Embiid comfortably at No. 1. The season still has a long way to go, but for now he is the MVP.

What does team record have to do with it? Philly is a 3 seed in the East while having the easiest schedule.

[1993Playoffs]

Hats off to Embiid. Crazy run he’s on

[JustBuzzin]

Embiid is clearly the MVP frontrunner.

My question who is 2nd Jokic/Luka/Giannis/SGA/other?

[TinmanZBoy]

Being the front runner this early does not bode well for Embiid... it is a long season, too much time for media members chewing on all sorts of narratives...

[yannisk]

Embiid comfortably ahead in the mvp race. Of course most of the season is still to be played

we have to stop this "he sat many fourth quarters" though. He plays 34 minutes per game which is normal in this time and age, and he has barely exceeded once in his career

[CobraCommander]

Embiid dominates the 1st MVP ESPN strawpoll by Tim Bontemps...

Read on Twitter

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https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39154933/nba-mvp-straw-poll-100-league-insiders-where-embiid-giannis-jokic-lebron-race

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Look we all objectively see the top 3 guys as Embiid Giannis and Jokic-

But I need to see the names of the guys that voted either Embiid or Jokic 4th…. At worse Embiid and jokic are in 3rd… at WORSE- this is crazy

[LordCovington33]

meh who cares

Then why are you here? In an MVP thread of all places?