Fake Trade Thread #5

[JDR720]

I can't tell which guy the Knicks want to give up more, Barrett or Randle. They are both super streaky, so I can see the frustration from the fans. Either one would be an interesting addition to this roster, but I'd actually prefer Randle because of the position he plays and the fact that it'd give us a true post up player who can also rebound. Cliff would be able to use him like he used Big Al. Barrett would be good too for the FT reasons you mentioned, but that seems even more feast or famine but with a longer commitment contractually.

I like the idea of the smaller trades JMAC mentioned, particularly the Utah one... though dealing with Danny Ainge makes me nervous.

In terms of splashy trades, I am telling you Zion is going to be available either this deadline or the off-season. Yes, it is a risk. Yes, he is too fat still. But there simply is no other realistic short term way for Charlotte to obtain such a player. So if NOLA finally admits he's available, what would it take and what would we be willing to give up? Not having that FRP owed to SAS hurts a lot. Could we first make a deal with them to get it back given it's protected? Idk how it works if we don't have access to it as we'd probably need to work a series of pick swaps? Could a deal centered around Hayward + name your Charlotte prospect other than Miller + picks? Would it require Mark? Bridges? PJ? No idea what NOLA would want or what would be fair given the risk/contract but pairing LaMelo up with Zion and still having Miller and Mark means this team could be a contender as early as next season if we got Zion in shape.

I'd take Barrett over Randle 9/10 times. With or without Clifford being the coach. Randle just seems like an empty stats player, and his defense is terrible. Barrett at least has something close to an all-around game.

Zion is the ultimate boom or bust move. We either have a top 10-ish player, or a future Sumo wrestler. I'm not sure I'd take the risk, but it would be a serious franchise altering trade for this team either way.

[JDR720]

How I look at it:

Terry Rozier
Winning Offense: 91
Winning Defense: 17

RJ Barrett
Winning Offense: 68
Winning Defense: 83

With any rating below 50 actually losing games

Give me Barrett. Terry is better no question offensively but he is so bad defensively that by simply benching him we have a better chance to win. Technically Terry somehow gives up more points than he scores, which is so weird with how much he is averaging. Effort issue and he's complacent. Will probably play defense somewhere else, and we are just ****. Just my opinion of course

Could be like Zach Lavine in Chicago. They've gone 6-3 with him being out hurt, mainly due to the emergence of White who plays both sides of the ball.

This team needs players like that.

[amcoolio]

How I look at it:

Terry Rozier
Winning Offense: 91
Winning Defense: 17

RJ Barrett
Winning Offense: 68
Winning Defense: 83

With any rating below 50 actually losing games

Give me Barrett. Terry is better no question offensively but he is so bad defensively that by simply benching him we have a better chance to win. Technically Terry somehow gives up more points than he scores, which is so weird with how much he is averaging. Effort issue and he's complacent. Will probably play defense somewhere else, and we are just ****. Just my opinion of course

Could be like Zach Lavine in Chicago. They've gone 6-3 with him being out hurt, mainly due to the emergence of White who plays both sides of the ball.

This team needs players like that.

Exactly.

Wins over stats. Dennis Smith JR. at the 2 guard would have brought this dumb team more wins this year, I fully believe that.

Tari Eason two way player sitting there, and we pass for minutes for Bouknight, McGowens and Kai Jones. Until we fix this awful stategy of team building, we aren't coming close to the playoffs

[JMAC3]

Ricky Rubio discussing a potential buyout.


Would be nice to finally have a legit backup PG for a change.

"Rubio has been on leave in Spain this season as he manages mental health issues. Sources say there are serious doubts of whether Rubio will ever play basketball again. Rubio is not expected to play this season as the very least."

[JMAC3]

Tari Eason two way player sitting there, and we pass for minutes for Bouknight, McGowens and Kai Jones. Until we fix this awful stategy of team building, we aren't coming close to the playoffs

I legit don't get the obsession with Tari Eason. Would I take him on the team? sure... but this dude gets talked about like we passed on Scottie Barnes.

I am sure it will always be someone, but for a minute last year it was AJ Griffin that everyone thought was good. Now he is getting DNP over Garrison and Wes Matthews. I am sure Agbagi will have his 60 days where he is actually the guy we missed on passing, revolving door situation for next 5 years.

Again nothing against Eason, solid player but he likely is never even as good as Thad Young. He is basically Jared Vanderbuilt level of NBA player.

[Diop]

As I mentioned in the other thread I want Jalen Hood Schifino, wanted him in the draft would still want him now, smart guy who is great in the pick n roll and no slouch defensively.

Lakers will get desperate and even though I hate Russell I would do Rozier for Russell and JHS.

I’d enjoy watching Rozier shine in the playoffs.

You guys have any other rookies you wished we drafted to target?

[KingCat]

As I mentioned in the other thread I want Jalen Hood Schifino, wanted him in the draft would still want him now, smart guy who is great in the pick n roll and no slouch defensively.

Lakers will get desperate and even though I hate Russell I would do Rozier for Russell and JHS.

I’d enjoy watching Rozier shine in the playoffs.

You guys have any other rookies you wished we drafted to target?

I noticed some magic fans wishing they had more consistent ball handling and scoring at the guard.

I'd go for something like:

Magic send: Black, Harris, some form of protected pick
Hornets send: Roizer

Black hasn't shown much, but if he pans out, he could be a tall defensive minded guard to pair next to Melo, and this will also give Terry the deserving opportunity to play on a playoff team.

[Diop]

Yeah black was someone I thought of with his defense. He’d be interesting.

[JMAC3]

As I mentioned in the other thread I want Jalen Hood Schifino, wanted him in the draft would still want him now, smart guy who is great in the pick n roll and no slouch defensively.

Lakers will get desperate and even though I hate Russell I would do Rozier for Russell and JHS.

I’d enjoy watching Rozier shine in the playoffs.

You guys have any other rookies you wished we drafted to target?

I noticed some magic fans wishing they had more consistent ball handling and scoring at the guard.

I'd go for something like:

Magic send: Black, Harris, some form of protected pick
Hornets send: Roizer

Black hasn't shown much, but if he pans out, he could be a tall defensive minded guard to pair next to Melo, and this will also give Terry the deserving opportunity to play on a playoff team.

You think Rozier is worth the 6th pick from last year, a quality expiring and another protected pick?

That is like 200% his value.

[KingCat]

As I mentioned in the other thread I want Jalen Hood Schifino, wanted him in the draft would still want him now, smart guy who is great in the pick n roll and no slouch defensively.

Lakers will get desperate and even though I hate Russell I would do Rozier for Russell and JHS.

I’d enjoy watching Rozier shine in the playoffs.

You guys have any other rookies you wished we drafted to target?

I noticed some magic fans wishing they had more consistent ball handling and scoring at the guard.

I'd go for something like:

Magic send: Black, Harris, some form of protected pick
Hornets send: Roizer

Black hasn't shown much, but if he pans out, he could be a tall defensive minded guard to pair next to Melo, and this will also give Terry the deserving opportunity to play on a playoff team.

You think Rozier is worth the 6th pick from last year, a quality expiring and another protected pick?

That is like 200% his value.

You are underrating Terry imo. He is averaging 23/7 on a very team friendly deal and is exactly what Orlando need if they wanna gun for a homecourt advantage

Black is still a project that won't help much on a win now team like Orlando.

Harris' 13 mil expiring is nice but not that much in today's market.

As for picks, i was thinking they would send the nuggets first round pick that they own which would not be of that much value.

[NCHeels2008]

As I mentioned in the other thread I want Jalen Hood Schifino, wanted him in the draft would still want him now, smart guy who is great in the pick n roll and no slouch defensively.

Lakers will get desperate and even though I hate Russell I would do Rozier for Russell and JHS.

I’d enjoy watching Rozier shine in the playoffs.

You guys have any other rookies you wished we drafted to target?

I noticed some magic fans wishing they had more consistent ball handling and scoring at the guard.

I'd go for something like:

Magic send: Black, Harris, some form of protected pick
Hornets send: Roizer

Black hasn't shown much, but if he pans out, he could be a tall defensive minded guard to pair next to Melo, and this will also give Terry the deserving opportunity to play on a playoff team.

You think Rozier is worth the 6th pick from last year, a quality expiring and another protected pick?

That is like 200% his value.

Terry's on a heater, we know it they know it. King Cat posted like he's better than Brunson

[JMAC3]

I noticed some magic fans wishing they had more consistent ball handling and scoring at the guard.

I'd go for something like:

Magic send: Black, Harris, some form of protected pick
Hornets send: Roizer

Black hasn't shown much, but if he pans out, he could be a tall defensive minded guard to pair next to Melo, and this will also give Terry the deserving opportunity to play on a playoff team.

You think Rozier is worth the 6th pick from last year, a quality expiring and another protected pick?

That is like 200% his value.

You are underrating Terry imo. He is averaging 23/7 on a very team friendly deal and is exactly what Orlando need if they wanna gun for a homecourt advantage

Black is still a project that won't help much on a win now team like Orlando.

Harris' 13 mil expiring is nice but not that much in today's market.

As for picks, i was thinking they would send the nuggets first round pick that they own which would not be of that much value.

Yeah, but regardless of if Black is a project or not he was just selected 6th. He isn't being moved unless for an allstar.

[amcoolio]

I noticed some magic fans wishing they had more consistent ball handling and scoring at the guard.

I'd go for something like:

Magic send: Black, Harris, some form of protected pick
Hornets send: Roizer

Black hasn't shown much, but if he pans out, he could be a tall defensive minded guard to pair next to Melo, and this will also give Terry the deserving opportunity to play on a playoff team.

You think Rozier is worth the 6th pick from last year, a quality expiring and another protected pick?

That is like 200% his value.

You are underrating Terry imo. He is averaging 23/7 on a very team friendly deal and is exactly what Orlando need if they wanna gun for a homecourt advantage

Black is still a project that won't help much on a win now team like Orlando.

Harris' 13 mil expiring is nice but not that much in today's market.

As for picks, i was thinking they would send the nuggets first round pick that they own which would not be of that much value.

Terry is currently the 470th best defensive player in the NBA. (PJ Washington is somehow worse at 477)

You need to start looking at him as a Byron Mullens level player until he decides to give a **** on defense

Ok Byron Mullens is probably too harsh. But Terry is contributing nothing to wins, only losses until he gets better

[JDR720]

I don't think Orlando are a win now team. You can be a good team, and not be "win now" to the point of trading their most recent top 6 pick.

They're at where OKC was a year ago. They shouldn't trade anything too valuable for players like Rozier, who don't fit their timeline and doesn't defend (which is the strength of their team).

[Diop]

Yeah I think a team like lakers is more likely to trade for rozier

[KingCat]

I can't imagine many other teams wanting Terry that badly. He is a fine player, but also a kind of player that pretty much every other team has.

[JustBuzzin]

Love Terry, but it's time we trade him while his value is high.

Would love to get a defensive wing back in return from the Lakers.

Vando would be nice.

[SWedd523]

I like Terry and I think he provides a scoring punch and late game swagger that all teams like to have. However, he clearly does not influence winning much and that won't change with him being a 1st or 2nd option. That is all fit with Melo notwithstanding.

He needs to be traded, along with just about everyone else not named Miller or Mark at this point because the team (as currently constructed) is dog doo-doo. Whether it be mentality, cohesion, coaching, or whatever else we aren't privy to, something is wrong and the stank permeates.

The team won't course correct unless drastic measures are taken. If that means you get pennies on the dollar then so be it. The reset needs to be hard, and it'll probably be painful because Mitch has painted the team into the situation. Oh well.

It's not like trading Terry for an expiring and a 2nd is going to prevent us from making the playoffs. Hornets currently have the 2nd worst SRS in the entire league at -10.33. Just above a 2-25 Pistons team that is currently on a historic 24 game losing streak. We're talking butt ass ugly rough.

Trade everyone. Start over. Stop with this half measure crap they've been doing since before Kemba.

[JDR720]

We're seeing the benefits this season of growing a young team, putting quality vets around them, and what having a good coach can do.

Orlando are having their best season in years. They've been horrible almost every season since Dwight left, and now have legit young talent that fit and play hard.

Minnesota may be the best team in the league. Minnesota. The Timbertrolls turned it around. They've been bad basically forever, people made fun of them for the Gobert trade... and now he is anchoring the leagues best defense.

OKC have tons of talent. SGA/Chet are the next great big/small duo. They still have a mountain of picks and cap space too.

The Kings are good. Sabonis/Fox/Murray are a good trio. The only thing they had going for them was the owners daughter. Now they could win the division for the 2nd time in a row against star studded Pacific division teams.

Houston are improving. Sengun is a future star. They got quality vets this offseason in VanVleet and Brooks. Udoka is a top coach.


That is 5 teams that have been just as bad if not worse than us over the past several years, if not longer, and they're all fighting for playoff contention and two of them may be legit contenders.

Meanwhile, we're still like this. Trying to toe the line between rebuilding and contending. Not picking a direction. And being a "small market" who can't be aggressive. All of those teams above, minus Houston (who may as well be) are small markets.

I hope the new owners do something. Pick a direction and stop being ok with being the little engine that could('nt)

[Liver_Pooty]

You guys are going to end up with a Lamelo trade demand eventually. Trade terry trade Miles trade everyone and keep winning 20 games. I'll just keep with the belief this season is a wash due to injuries and pray to freaking God our top 5 pick on top of free agency can bring some depth. I don't think we're that far off. I truly don't.