Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[MN7725]

SloMo and Shake for Caruso? Or let it ride with who we have?

Anderson + Shake + TBJ = 53 min/gm

Anderson and Caruso = 23 min/gm so far
Shake and TBJ = 15 min/gm so far

So TBJ and Caruso, if minutes stay same, would be 38 min/gm...where do the other 15 minutes go?

I think Caruso would get back something similar to Marcus Smart

he can be on the floor on a Finals team as a complimentary player

I am a big Caruso fan, but I think that is pushing it. I think he is more valuable than people on here describe but less than Smart value.

agree

but his smaller salary I think is huge deal for a playoff team, since he can be had without moving a significant (salary) player

so just the fact that he can be added to a top team without them having to send much out, other than pick(s), makes his value outsize his production

Boston paid a lot to get Derrick White last deadline (higher salary than Caruso) because they knew he would be on the court in Finals
I think Bulls won't move him unless they are wowed like that

[KGdaBom]

I think Caruso would get back something similar to Marcus Smart

he can be on the floor on a Finals team as a complimentary player

No way. Not on Smart's level.

Yeah. He's a much better shooter than Smart...

And he was 1st Team All-Defense last year.

How Alex Caruso turned into a Defensive Player of the Year candidate

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38842999/alex-caruso-defensive-player-year-candidate-chicago-bulls

You can think he is as good or better than Marcus Smart. I don't. He's a good defender who seldom plays due to injury.

[BlacJacMac]

He's a great defender, a very good shooter and a good enough player to warrant 25 MPG in the NBA Finals.

[TGW]

Would you trade KA, Shake Milton for RoCo and Pat Beverley?

No. I would sign Roco as a buyout, trade Kyle and Shake for Tyus and play Miller in Kyle’s spot until he proves he cannot handle it. To make the money work trade Wendell Moore Jr for a future second.

Why would the Wizards make such a silly trade?

[shrink]

No. I would sign Roco as a buyout, trade Kyle and Shake for Tyus and play Miller in Kyle’s spot until he proves he cannot handle it. To make the money work trade Wendell Moore Jr for a future second.

Why would the Wizards make such a silly trade?

If you’ve read the trade board (or a post I made a few hours ago here), there are a couple of teams that would give a late 1st for Anderson, and an expiring Tyus isn’t worth more than that. I’d prefer W4L presented it as a late 1st for Tyus, but that’s far from a silly trade if you went and got the protected 1st in the next deal.

Incidentally, I wouldn’t do the “silly” trade for MIN. I like the guy and he’s from here, but I think in 5th playoffs he would be hunted defensively every time he was on the floor versus the rest of the defenders on this team.

[minimus]

A healthy Delon Wright might be a correct answer

[shrink]

A healthy Delon Wright might be a correct answer

I think he checks boxes, but he’s missed 19 straight games with a knee strain. As a win-now team, we need to see him healthy

[Domejandro]

I would love Alex Caruso, he is the dream target, but I definitely do not see a solid pathway for Minnesota to get him.

[Klomp]

A healthy Delon Wright might be a correct answer

Age is my biggest deterrent personally.

[winforlose]

I have a question about buy out rules. If a player is under contract for two years, and a team doesn’t want that player on the books in year 2, can they buy out that player and front load all the money onto the first year?

[Domejandro]

I have a question about buy out rules. If a player is under contract for two years, and a team doesn’t want that player on the books in year 2, can they buy out that player and front load all the money onto the first year?

The cap hit stays for both years.

[shrink]

I have a question about buy out rules. If a player is under contract for two years, and a team doesn’t want that player on the books in year 2, can they buy out that player and front load all the money onto the first year?

The cap hit stays for both years.

Yes. The only way you can play with future guaranteed years is to stretch them and send the cap hot forward, not back.

Suppose Shake’s $5 mil next year was guaranteed, and wasn’t a team option we could just decline. The rules is x2 +1, so $5 + $5 would be stretched to $2 for five years.

The closest thing I can think of to what you’re saying is a contract with a player option for next season. If a guy really wanted to get off a team, he might be willing to decline his player option if the team offered more in the buyout for his first year. It still couldn’t exceed 100% of Year One though.

[shrink]

I’ve been thinking about Caruso since yesterday.

Great player, but don’t we have a B-level Caruso in NAW?

Would Caruso take all of NAW’s minutes, which are sadly already limited by Jaden’s return?

[winforlose]

Have you guys scene Tyus’s last 5 games. Dude is on fire.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html

[winforlose]

I’ve been thinking about Caruso since yesterday.

Great player, but don’t we have a B-level Caruso in NAW?

Would Caruso take all of NAW’s minutes, which are sadly already limited by Jaden’s return?

I think Caruso is better at the PG stuff, and I think NAW is better at getting through screens. I think Caruso would shorten Mike’s minutes a bit (A very good thing,) and would eat some of Troy’s minutes (or all of them if Finch keeps running 5 minutes of TBJ and the then going with 8.) He might grab some from Kyle as well, but yes he would take from NAW.

[Guest84]

Have you guys scene Tyus’s last 5 games. Dude is on fire.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html

He's played well but none of those 5 teams are great defensive teams.

[winforlose]

Have you guys scene Tyus’s last 5 games. Dude is on fire.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html

He's played well but none of those 5 teams are great defensive teams.

True. But if you told me Tyus would have a triple double this season, I would have been skeptical. Impressive none the less.

[winforlose]

New idea:

Kyle Anderson and Jordan McLaughlin to the Pacers.
TJ McConnell, Shake Milton, and a Pacer’s protected first to Washington,
Tyus Jones and Andrew Nembhard to the Timberwolves.


Why for the Pacers. You upgrade your defense with Kyle and get a better facilitator in McLaughlin. His high paced play fits your identity perfectly.

Why for Washington. Washington gets a first for Tyus plus a look at Shake with a non guaranteed contract. TJ might have secondary trade value during the off season or we could expand the deal and send TJ to the Cavs to the help them while they are without Garland.

Why for the Wolves. Nembhard is young and cheap and gives us a PG to develop. Tyus is a floor spacing facilitator that has playoff experience. He is also a hometown guy who would probably stay and take a discount to compete for a championship in his home state.

[Neeva]

That’s probably a lot closer with Tyus going to the Pacers and McConnell to the Wolves.

[winforlose]

That’s probably a lot closer with Tyus going to the Pacers and McConnell to the Wolves.

McConnell doesn’t help the spacing issue. He is a smaller and somewhat better mid range shooting version of Kyle. I was talking to someone on the trade board and they said the Pacers would really value Kyle. But in order for us to give up Kyle we need the floor spacing PG, and that is not McConnell. We could drop the JMAC and Nembhard part, but, if the Pacers are serious about making the playoffs, they could use someone like JMAC who can facilitate well at their pace. Moreover, we couldn’t give up that much PG depth without getting another PG back. Nembhard is probably not ready to contribute this year whereas JMAC could for them. But you might be right that value is off.