Anthony Edwards Thread: Part Two (Read First Post)

[KGdaBom]

dane moore doesn’t even have a vote.

So, in this discussion of who votes, I pulled up the vote register from the 22-23 award votes. Here are the outlets that have the most votes:
ESPN 20
The Athletic 11
Warner Media 10
The Ringer 6
NBA.com 4
Sirius Radio 3
Yahoo Sports 2
Sports Illustrated 2
Boston Globe 2
Associated Press 2
Fox Sports 2

There are, of course a number of outlets that have one to make the 100 votes.

What stands out their is that the Boston Globe has 2 votes. No NY Times or Los Angeles or Chicago, but Boston gets 2 votes.

[BlacJacMac]

dane moore doesn’t even have a vote.

So, in this discussion of who votes, I pulled up the vote register from the 22-23 award votes. Here are the outlets that have the most votes:
ESPN 20
The Athletic 11
Warner Media 10
The Ringer 6
NBA.com 4
Sirius Radio 3
Yahoo Sports 2
Sports Illustrated 2
Boston Globe 2
Associated Press 2
Fox Sports 2

There are, of course a number of outlets that have one to make the 100 votes.

What stands out their is that the Boston Globe has 2 votes. No NY Times or Los Angeles or Chicago, but Boston gets 2 votes.

I'd guess they all have 1 vote.

[shrink]

So, in this discussion of who votes, I pulled up the vote register from the 22-23 award votes. Here are the outlets that have the most votes:
ESPN 20
The Athletic 11
Warner Media 10
The Ringer 6
NBA.com 4
Sirius Radio 3
Yahoo Sports 2
Sports Illustrated 2
Boston Globe 2
Associated Press 2
Fox Sports 2

There are, of course a number of outlets that have one to make the 100 votes.

What stands out there is that the Boston Globe has 2 votes. No NY Times or Los Angeles or Chicago, but Boston gets 2 votes.

Yes, and I see that ESPN and Warner (TNT, etc) have 30 votes, and those guys aren’t necessarily going to vote for the best player - they are going to vote for the best player they can get viewers to watch. For example, experts really don’t like Julius Randle, but he has TWO All-NBA awards. MIN gets the short end, because they don’t get viewers doing stories on the Wolves like they do NY.

[winforlose]

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Video shows Ant post game. Encouraging right until the end where he grabs his lower back.

[shrink]

Video shows Ant post game. Encouraging right until the end where he grabs his lower back.

Yes! And he was grabbing his back at the end of the game, and after his interview.

Now I’m more worried about Ant than KAT.

[winforlose]

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Video shows Ant post game. Encouraging right until the end where he grabs his lower back.

Yes! And he was grabbing his back at the end of the game, and after his interview.

Now I’m more worried about Ant than KAT.

I cannot remember the time code, but it is near the end, ant bends over to sign the back of a jersey. He bends pretty normally. Full range of motion is a good sign. But I think he should probably rest a game or two so a minor tweak doesn’t turn into a major strain. The good news is he has a world class medical staff to advise/treat him.

[shrink]

“Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to me is at the top of the MVP discussion, along with Anthony Edwards, who somehow doesn’t get mentioned. We got to get over this whole thing that you got to play in Los Angeles or a big market to be considered, primarily for MVP.”

Michael Wilbon

I love Ant, but I don’t put him at the same level as SGA, Jokic, Embiid or Giannis. At least not yet

EDIT: man, later in the show, Wilbon tripled down. They put up the Vegas odds, and he was like angry that Ant was not listed in the top 5! “How can they have Giannis over him? Luka?” Perkins sadly has a vote, but he flat out said he’s voting for the best player on the best team at the end of the season. I don’t think there is much chance of Ant getting MVP, but I will say I watched Tim McMahon’s multiple midseason polls the last few years, and the leaders can change dramatically every couple of months. I don’t think Ant gets MVP, but I can see him much more easily getting an All-NBA nod from voters who considered him for MVP, and we all know that All NBA gets Ant another 5% of the cap when his max extension starts.

[life_saver]

Shai currently is on a different tier when compared to Ant. Shai is playing at superstar level (top5 level) whereas Ant is playing at star level (top20). If Ant can ascend to Shai's level, then we are a legitimate title contender

[Klomp]

Shai currently is on a different tier when compared to Ant. Shai is playing at superstar level (top5 level) whereas Ant is playing at star level (top20). If Ant can ascend to Shai's level, then we are a legitimate title contender

And we all know, the best time of year to be considered a Top 5 player is in the first week of January....

[KGdaBom]

Shai currently is on a different tier when compared to Ant. Shai is playing at superstar level (top5 level) whereas Ant is playing at star level (top20). If Ant can ascend to Shai's level, then we are a legitimate title contender

And we all know, the best time of year to be considered a Top 5 player is in the first week of January....

Klomp I love me some Ant, but he's a destitute man's SGA at this time or SGA is a Billionaire's Ant.

[Klomp]

Shai currently is on a different tier when compared to Ant. Shai is playing at superstar level (top5 level) whereas Ant is playing at star level (top20). If Ant can ascend to Shai's level, then we are a legitimate title contender

And we all know, the best time of year to be considered a Top 5 player is in the first week of January....

Klomp I love me some Ant, but he's a destitute man's SGA at this time or SGA is a Billionaire's Ant.

I get it. But we really don't know if it will be sustained by Playoff Shai. Or what we will get from Playoff Chet. Et cetera.

Shai (13 career playoff games): 15.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.7 apg in 34.8 mpg (*Age 20 and 21 seasons)
Ant (11 career playoff games): 28.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 38.7 mpg (*Age 20 and 21 seasons)

That's not even considering the 5-19 stinker Shai put up last play-in against a replacement defender in a 25-point loss...

[KGdaBom]

And we all know, the best time of year to be considered a Top 5 player is in the first week of January....

Klomp I love me some Ant, but he's a destitute man's SGA at this time or SGA is a Billionaire's Ant.

I get it. But we really don't know if it will be sustained by Playoff Shai. Or what we will get from Playoff Chet. Et cetera.

Shai (13 career playoff games): 15.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.7 apg in 34.8 mpg (*Age 20 and 21 seasons)
Ant (11 career playoff games): 28.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 38.7 mpg (*Age 20 and 21 seasons)

That's not even considering the 5-19 stinker Shai put up last play-in against a replacement defender in a 25-point loss...

I say that was then and this is now. Come playoffs expect Shai and Ant to both play much closer to their regular season averages. Time will tell.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

The last 5 games where we are 2-3 , ANT make 20 assist for 23 TO ! In the same time Mike make 31 Assists for 2 TO.... who shoud run the offense more?

[Colbinii]

The last 5 games where we are 2-3 , ANT make 20 assist for 23 TO ! In the same time Mike make 31 Assists for 2 TO.... who shoud run the offense more?

What do you mean by run the offense?

Mike runs the offense in the sense that he sets up the action and then those actions typically run through one of ANT or KAT.

ANT and Kat run the action in the sense that they do the heavy lifting--they drive to the hoop, they get double teamed, they are the ones deciding should I isolate, should I drive, should I kick, ect.

So, with that in mind, comparing their numbers doesn't make sense, because their roles are vastly different. Conley can't isolate and drive 15+ times per game like Anthony Edwards can.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Just listen ANT post itw game now, don't know if you listen to it. He say the same things i say . Mike should run the offense more as he is elite for that, He say for his part, he need to clean TO issue and take care of shoot selection. What i don't like to see if when Mike give the ball to another guy at mid court and sit in the corner. This can work only if Mike get the ball for open 3 as he is make more than 55%v form corner 3. In yhe other side, it force ANT and KAT to have difficult shoot and sometimes they run into the traffic, get double or triple guard and it hard for them. But the issue is no inly on AND or KAT, it's a team effort for sure. I want to ses ANT at 30 every night as we need it and KAT shoud shoot way more specially at 3.

[Domejandro]

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This is a good sign, he’s finally getting calls.

[thinktank]

And we all know, the best time of year to be considered a Top 5 player is in the first week of January....

Klomp I love me some Ant, but he's a destitute man's SGA at this time or SGA is a Billionaire's Ant.

I get it. But we really don't know if it will be sustained by Playoff Shai. Or what we will get from Playoff Chet. Et cetera.

Shai (13 career playoff games): 15.1 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.7 apg in 34.8 mpg (*Age 20 and 21 seasons)
Ant (11 career playoff games): 28.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 4.0 apg in 38.7 mpg (*Age 20 and 21 seasons)

That's not even considering the 5-19 stinker Shai put up last play-in against a replacement defender in a 25-point loss...

SGA was 20 and 21 but he’s 26 now. I think SGAs team and coaching is much better this year. OKC scares the **** out of me.

(Imagine what Ant will be doing at 26…!)

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Ant improve a lot this yea. No doubt that after he reduce a bit his tunnel vision and TO he will be a top 10 players in NBA. AMy even top 5. Last game was encouraging, still some mistake but some of them was trying to involve Rudy on offense which is never easy. Mike do it well but they did it for years.

[Domejandro]

Omitting being 2-1 when Anthony Edwards doesn't play, here are some interesting splits.

Minnesota is 4-0 when Anthony Edwards shoots 15 or less shots.
Minnesota is 7-2 when Anthony Edwards shoots 16 or less shots.
Minnesota is 13-2 when Anthony Edwards shoots 19 or less shots.
Minnesota is 11-8 when Anthony Edwards shoots 20 or more shots.

To put it into easier to read percentages, taking out injured games, Minnesota wins 86.7% of their games when Anthony Edwards shoots less than twenty shots, but plummet to 57.9% when he shoots twenty shoots or more.

[KGdaBom]

Omitting being 2-1 when Anthony Edwards doesn't play, here are some interesting splits.

Minnesota is 4-0 when Anthony Edwards shoots 15 or less shots.
Minnesota is 7-2 when Anthony Edwards shoots 16 or less shots.
Minnesota is 13-2 when Anthony Edwards shoots 19 or less shots.
Minnesota is 11-8 when Anthony Edwards shoots 20 or more shots.

To put it into easier to read percentages, taking out injured games, Minnesota wins 86.7% of their games when Anthony Edwards shoots less than twenty shots, but plummet to 57.9% when he shoots twenty shoots or more.

Correlation is not causation. Ant taking a lot of shots is not a reason we win or lose. Ant takes a lot of shots in games where we are struggling to create offense. He is pretty much our only player who can create offense.