Is Monty Williams the worst contract in the league?

[Snakebites]

One of the highest paid coaches in sports, his contract is longer than any player. Can’t just trade him away for salary savings, ownership would need to pay out his entire deal just to move on from him. Just seems brutal.

Is there any contract that is worse than this?

Here’s a report on his deal at the time it was signed this past summer:

The Detroit Pistons made Monty Williams an offer he couldn’t refuse. The 51-year-old has agreed to a massive deal to become the new head coach of the Pistons on reportedly the biggest coaching contract in NBA history. Detroit is giving Williams a six-year, $78.5 million contract that could reach eight years, $100 million with incentives, per multiple reports.

At more than $13 million per year, Williams immediately becomes the highest paid coach in the NBA, and one of the highest paid coaches in American sports history. His annual salary easily eclipses Gregg Popovich’s $11.5 million deal for the NBA’s biggest coaching contract. Only a handful of NFL coaches can say they make a bigger yearly salary than Williams.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2023/6/1/23744962/monty-williams-contract-detroit-pistons-money-highest-paid-coaches

In terms of dollar value relative to production? Maybe.

But I’m not sure comparing it to player contracts makes sense given he has no impact on the salary cap.

[Effigy]

This is what you get when you hire a guy who is only good when he has Chris Paul on his team.

[wco81]

Troy Weaver is the worst contract in the entire professional sports.

Wish we would have hired one of the coaches Weaver wanted, instead of the owner insisting on paying the guy that wanted no part in coaching the team.

Fans were chanting “sell the team!”

But they opened an arena a few years ago and were struggling to fill it?

Will Detroit fans pay to support winners? Supposedly Lions season ticket holders are facing huge increases in prices next season.

NFL teams don’t need to sell tickets but NBA teams do.

[DoItALL9]

Coaches can be traded

[Capn'O]

This team wasn't going anywhere regardless of who was coaching. Maybe 11th seed? With the deal he got he needs a few years to build things up. That's what you paid for. If it's year 3 and no progress made then it gets dicey.

[7r5ur]

Troy Weaver is the worst contract in the entire professional sports.

Wish we would have hired one of the coaches Weaver wanted, instead of the owner insisting on paying the guy that wanted no part in coaching the team.

Fans were chanting “sell the team!”

But they opened an arena a few years ago and were struggling to fill it?

Will Detroit fans pay to support winners? Supposedly Lions season ticket holders are facing huge increases in prices next season.

NFL teams don’t need to sell tickets but NBA teams do.

The Palace was sold out for 5-years straight when the Pistons were winning in the early 2000's. Put a bad product on the floor for 15 years and people will save their money and watch on TV.

[BoogieTime]

This is Weaver’s mess, not Monty’s.

It’s both

Any coach worth his salt would’ve motivated or came up with some type of game plan to do well once over the streak

He’s a milquetoaste coach who rode CP3 in a weak west that year

[wco81]

The thing I didn’t get was that he wasn’t playing Ivey?

#5 pick in the draft and he was cutting his minutes in year two?

[OxAndFox]

I'm sure it's already been said, but the 2 highest paid coaches in the NBA are a combined 6-49.

[Mr Peanut]

Our roster sucks, but a decent amount of blame for our record has to go to Monty also. His rotations, and especially his bench lineups, have been nothing short of terrible.

His love for Killian and starting him in favor of Ivey is painful to watch. And the Stew at PF experiment needs to end.

And then there's so much data showing how bad our net rating is when both Cade and Bogey are off the court together and how they need to be staggered so one is always out there, and he just goes against that time and time again.

[John Murdoch]

That one year in new orleans was his peak

[Dacost]

Our roster sucks, but a decent amount of blame for our record has to go to Monty also. His rotations, and especially his bench lineups, have been nothing short of terrible.

His love for Killian and starting him in favor of Ivey is painful to watch. And the Stew at PF experiment needs to end.

And then there's so much data showing how bad our net rating is when both Cade and Bogey are off the court together and how they need to be staggered so one is always out there, and he just goes against that time and time again.

Exactly!!! For me the fact that they haven't try to change their gameplans with this current roster and awful losing streak is what I don't understand.

[Iwasawitness]

I'd take him over Pop in SA in a heartbeat

Now this is craziness, while I could understand Charlotte and Brooklyn fans , SA is in different stratosphere

I might remind you , you have Greg Popovich as a HC in SA

Trust me, I am painfully aware

Apparently you aren’t.

[Iwasawitness]

Watch the replay and see how flat-footed Cade was. Watch him get back-doored for easy layups. Don't just seethe at Ivey the whole time, you can look at someone else too. You can blame his offensive load and fatigue or whatever, but it is what it is. Ivey has been overall better on defense over the last few weeks than Cade, and Cade gets the easy matchups every night.

And his offensive load is somewhat of an excuse, but it's another thing Monty could have addressed by having another scorer/playmaker like Ivey on the floor so it's not just Cade playing 1-on-5 all game. Literally everyone but Monty and you can see this plain as day.

I don't make excuses for Cade. He's been bad on defense, Ivey is on a different level of bad. I alread showed you the numbers you refuse to see it, so you do you.

Ivey is on the bottom 2% as a defender. Cade is on the bottom 22%.

It's terrible to be worse than 3/4 of the league as a defender, but Ivey is as close as it get to be the worst defender in the league. Different level of bad. That's no excuse for Cade, he got to be better than that. Ivey shouldn't be in the NBA tho.

https://craftednba.com/players/cade-cunningham

https://craftednba.com/players/jaden-ivey

https://craftednba.com/players/bojan-bogdanovic

Bojan is actually the worst defender in the league FWIW.

Try looking up from the spreadsheet and watching the game next time. Ivey has gotten better on defense while Cade has gotten a lot worse even though he gets hidden on D every night. Yet you're on here like

((standardizedDDARKO / 2) + (standardizedDLEBRON x 2) + (standardizedDRaptor x 2) + (standardizedDBPM / 2) + (standardizedDPredator / 2) + (standardizedDLA3RAPM / 2) + 0) / 7.= Ivey Bad

...As if advanced stats like these (and defense in general) aren't highly influenced by team defense, matchups, lineups, etc. That same site says we've got 2 top-11 rim protectors playing next to Cade on this team that can't guard a traffic cone btw.

The fact that Monty ran out a lineup of 4 defenders with Cade for the majority of the season and hid him against the worst opposing player yet he's bottom 17% is pretty rough, not gonna lie. The fact that it's dropped 5% since you last looked kinda proves my point. Either Cade has gotten way worse as an individual defender since you last looked, or the fact that the team is getting crushed is skewing the stats.

As someone with no dog in this fight, Ivy is definitely worse defensively than Cade is right now. I’m surprised there’s even an argument about it.

[SweaterBae]

Monty is an absolute whackjob crazy person.

[Calvin Klein]

Bradley Beal is owed like 200 million and he doesn't even play basketball, at least Monty is doing his job.

And Monty is proof that in another situation he might work. He is obviously not the right coach for this team but he's been good in the past with others.

[UcanUwill]

I'd take him over Pop in SA in a heartbeat

Oh come on…you have a top 3 coach of all time in NBA history and you’re not happy?

Pop deserves benefit of the doubt and just be crazy at this point, but are we pretending kings has cloths on. If this was rookie coach and not Pop doing those crazy coaching decisions, we would easily call him one of the biggest scrub coaches ever not worth nba job.

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[Mavrelous]

Our roster sucks, but a decent amount of blame for our record has to go to Monty also. His rotations, and especially his bench lineups, have been nothing short of terrible.

His love for Killian and starting him in favor of Ivey is painful to watch. And the Stew at PF experiment needs to end.

And then there's so much data showing how bad our net rating is when both Cade and Bogey are off the court together and how they need to be staggered so one is always out there, and he just goes against that time and time again.

He has Duren, Wiseman, Stewart and Bagley for frontcourt, his only other option in Bogi at the 4.
His entire PG rotation are raw talents (Ivey Sasser) or busts (Hayes).
It's a messed up roster, the 2 wing vets, Harris and Burke aren't delivering.

This is all on Weaver.
Was Isiah Stewart that gem in the rough you trade Kennard + Bruce Brown + 4 second round picks for?
WTF was he doing trading Bey for Wiseman? What exactly was he looking to accomplish?
Brunson would've fit like a glove, why trade for miserable 2 2nds, to give the Knicks the option to sign him, instead of throwing money at him? Keep cap space for Bagleys, Plumlees, Olyneks and Joe Harrises? Pistons own future pick was with the Knicks and he didn't bother get it back...
He traded Bey, and needed a spacing forward instead of signing CamJo to offer sheet, he rolls out the carpet for the Nets to sign and solves their luxury tax concerns, 2 years after saving them a fortune by taking on DeAnder Jordan deal for 4 crappy 2nd rd picks.

Cade in NOT bad, he's being dealt an impossible hand by a dysfunctional FO.

Mavs have made some aweful mistakes, but never were they so incompetent, to surround Luka with 2 non-shooter at all times who aren't even good defenders, I don't think Luka can do something with this bastardized setup they created.

[turnaroundJ]

it doesn't impact the salary cap. it just impacts the owner's pocket. so i don't really feel sorry for the team. it will make it harder to cut losses though so when it's time to fire him, they may hold back or delay.

[Gusto1903]

No because it doesnt count against the cap