2023-2024 Regular Season Game 27: Orlando Magic (16-10) at Milwaukee Bucks (20-7) - 8pm

[pepe1991]

Good news is I’m not going to miss Gary Harris if we move on during the trade deadline.

He use to be a solid vet who shot the 3 well. He has had funks like this before….

That's why Denver dumped him

Yep. Same with WCJ and Bulls. Teams aren’t stupid. They dump these guys for a reason. Both gotta go.

Main reason why Bulls got rid of him is his health.

Year 1: played 44 out 82 games
year 2: played 43 out of 65
Year 3 played 54 out of 72
year 4 played 62 out of 82
year 5 played 57 out of 82
year 6: so far played 7 out of 27

Every season you have to gameplan about fact he won't play for 20-30 games and will struggle after returns ( mostly because he is very heavy and it takes time for him to go back in playing shape ).

When he returned after injury in 2021, right before trade from Bulls, he was dreadful and that was probably main reason why Bulls tapped out. He was very good for us for 2 and half years, but injury issues never stopped.

I like Wendell, he is one of my favorite Magic players BUT I never agreed with notion that his contract is bargin deal. He is payed well enough for player that you know will miss 30%-35% or even 40% of a season ever year.

[zaymon]

You build a winning team with playing best players at a given time. Nothing is given for granted. I dont see how we are holding each other accountable.

[drsd]

Boxscore thoughts: a odd one.

Orlando won the FG% differential battle but lost the game.

Why: FTs. The Bucks had 15 more made FTs than the Magic. That is literally the only reason Orlando lost this game.
And it was not just trips to the line.
The Magic shot a poor 69.6% on lowish attempts (23 FTa) and the Bucks shot a stellar 88.6% in a huge volume (35 FTa).

There was an amazing 189 FG attempts in this game. WOW.

The Magic bench smoked the Bucks bench (43 pts to 23 pts).

Orlando only had 7 TOs in this game.

[drsd]

You build a winning team with playing best players at a given time. Nothing is given for granted. I dont see how we are holding each other accountable.

Translation: time to bench Black.

[Ralof]

We lost 4 games against celtics,heat and bucks(B2B) and people starting to question Mosley

Besides the usual suspects harris,wcj,Fultz(!!),Isaac and basically anyone Is not on a rookie contract

[basketballRob]

Good news is I’m not going to miss Gary Harris if we move on during the trade deadline.

He use to be a solid vet who shot the 3 well. He has had funks like this before….

That's why Denver dumped him

Yep. Same with WCJ and Bulls. Teams aren’t stupid. They dump these guys for a reason. Both gotta go.

The Bulls also dumped Markannen.

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[VFX]

We lost 4 games against celtics,heat and bucks(B2B) and people starting to question Mosley

Besides the usual suspects harris,wcj,Fultz(!!),Isaac and basically anyone Is not on a rookie contract

Funny post.

Gary Harris has hit 6 threes total in the last 9 games he’s played. He’s 6-36 including tonight. That’s really the only reason he’s on an nba roster. It’s not because of his mid defense or shot creation. He also played 35 minutes tonight without Suggs … lol

Carter didn’t look good. There is no reason Goga played zero total minutes tonight while Carter played 20+ and got 4 pts and 4 rebounds. If Mosely wants to ease him back into minutes maybe not against contenders at the top of the league. Try Washington next week. I dunno, seems obvious.

Fultz is brought up because smooth brains throw out his name when searching for answers after a loss. Nothing more nothing less. He solves nothing.

Isaac played fine. He didn’t play at the end of the game because he’s on a minute restriction until he retires. Hard to judge a guy that doesn’t play more than 14mpg and in small stretches. Hard to remember that he’s on the roster sometimes unless he gets a block or a rebound because he sits for games at a time when his back is sore, has the sniffles, or he had a bad day.

People should absolutely question Mosely on the Isaac, Goga, and Carter situation going on. Those are all his decisions and self imposed. That reporter was right for asking him about it and it isn’t just forum chatter that you happen to dislike.

[Bergmaniac]

Thing is, Wendell's hand is still clearly bothering him, it still has a large lump and was wrapped in ice immediately after he sat on the bench with garbage time still going on, he is very reluctant to shoot and he's reluctant to set hard screens or crash the boards hard. So why is he being played when we have very good backups for him?

Anyway, much better efort tonight overall. But poor shooting was our downfall again. Felt like every time we got close in the 4th we bricked a jump shot. Franz was great inside, but his 3 point shot looked as worse as ever, I think he had at least 3 attempts which barely grazed the ring or missed it completely. Mo, Franz and Cole scoring plus the low turnovers and Isaac's defence kept us in the game but it wasn't enough.

I thought Harris played a decent game, much more aggressive offensively than in the previous several games, he scored 14 on good efficiency, he had 5 assists and his defence was good outside of the two fouls on Lillard 3s (the second was after an illegal screen by Giannis, BTW). He obviously needs to shoot better from 3 but I'd much rather have him miss some and be active on offense than being a complete ghost on that end who pass every shot.

[basketballRob]

Carter couldn't even hold onto rebounds or passes. He definitely shouldn't have started or even played. They needed to ease him back until he was clearly better than the guy ahead of him. Right now, he should be the 3rd string center.

Goga outplayed Turner the last time we played the Pacers. I doubt Carter does.

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[tiderulz]

its obvious that guard play is what will hold this team back. until the front office addresses it, that's what we will see every night.

Simons was apparently available in the offseason. Would be nice to see him next to Suggs. Or Herro (though i didnt like his contract price). i wouldnt mind trading WCJ+Fultz+some picks for a legit starting SG.

who knows now if Portland would trade him now

[I Rasharted]

On a positive note, we aren't Detroit.

[magik9113]

I tried to stay away from the doom and gloom, but i'm gonna go ahead and echo a lot of what has already been said.
Benching Goga is absurd. WCJ needs to be the third string. Gary is absolute garbage if he is shooting like this...force him to retire and bring back T Ross at this rate

[The-Stallion70]

Black scored 1 point, did not attempt a field goal in 20 minutes.

[drsd]

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[Black and Blue]

Was there a rational game decision to bench Goga? No.

Is there a logical political reason to bench Goga? Yes.

Carter is signed long term, while Goga is a free agent. If the team keeps rolling Goga out as a starting center while Carter is back he will expect starting center money in negotiations this year. I think the Magic really want to keep him. And he already has leverage being young and helping guide the team to a lofty early record. Is Goga our long term answer at starting center? Enough to have to pay him that way before the end of the season? I’m not entirely convinced of that yet.

Now if the team chucks Fultz back in at starting PG it’s a different story. They already have his replacement on the team and are in a much bigger place of negotiating power given how many games he has missed this season.

I know contracts shouldn’t determine lineups but as a head coach it’s impossible to ignore it when you hear rumblings that certain players may or may not be part of the long term picture. Black certainly would be playing in the G league right now if that were the case.

On a side note, Gary Harris looks washed. I don’t know how poor Jett’s defense is but it must be horrific if he can’t get minutes as a three point specialist with so many people out. Same with Houstan. We have too many supposed 3 point shooters clogging up the roster to be league worst at making them.

[basketballRob]

Was there a rational game decision to bench Goga? No.

Is there a logical political reason to bench Goga? Yes.

Carter is signed long term, while Goga is a free agent. If the team keeps rolling Goga out as a starting center while Carter is back he will expect starting center money in negotiations this year. I think the Magic really want to keep him. And he already has leverage being young and helping guide the team to a lofty early record. Is Goga our long term answer at starting center? Enough to have to pay him that way before the end of the season? I’m not entirely convinced of that yet.

Now if the team chucks Fultz back in at starting PG it’s a different story. They already have his replacement on the team and are in a much bigger place of negotiating power given how many games he has missed this season.

I know contracts shouldn’t determine lineups but as a head coach it’s impossible to ignore it when you hear rumblings that certain players may or may not be part of the long term picture. Black certainly would be playing in the G league right now if that were the case.

On a side note, Gary Harris looks washed. I don’t know how poor Jett’s defense is but it must be horrific if he can’t get minutes as a three point specialist with so many people out. Same with Houstan. We have too many supposed 3 point shooters clogging up the roster to be league worst at making them.

Black has a +2.8 net rating. That's far more than Paolo or Franz. We undervalue Black's defense.

Harris hasn't been good, but he has played solid defense. I agree with you that Jett's defense must be really bad.

Beasley and Lillard played well, but they were 8-25 from the field.

I have a feeling that Goga will be getting a lot of DNPs because of his contract status.

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[pepe1991]

Net rating on small sample size of games is worthless. Especially when that player also plays in such a small role AND only averages 20 min a game

[JojoSlimbiid]

Man its brutal coming into these threads. People's expectations on a variety of subjects are so out of whack its like a different reality.

[eyriq]

We won every factor except for FT/FGA and lost. Dayuum

[eyriq]

At least the losses have been to the East's creme de la creme. Beat the Pacers and Wizards and all is right in the world.