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[mpharris36]

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you were so right about his game...you take that with him always guarding the best perimeter player defensively.

[Capn'O]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

No _type_ of strategy "works." A good plan + good execution works. Some of that does come down to luck. The Clippers (builders) have a great mesh of talent but Kawhi is never healthy in the playoffs. That's good strategy but bad luck. OKC (tankers) kept churning good players into dead contracts and picks, then recouping the value of the dead contracts and getting more picks. They also identified a good young player as a potential cornerstone and have been building around that. That's good strategy and good luck.

The Pistons have been on the bad strategy/bad luck end of the spectrum so far. As you mention, they haven't really had the picks in great years but they've also been all over the map in terms of what they're trying to do.

[3toheadmelo]

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you were so right about his game...you take that with him always guarding the best perimeter player defensively.

He is on his way to be one of the best two way wings in the league. I wish he had a bigger role on offense so they can truly unleash his potential

[mpharris36]

you were so right about his game...you take that with him always guarding the best perimeter player defensively.

He is on his way to be one of the best two way wings in the league. I wish he had a bigger role on offense so they can truly unleash his potential

true likely wont happen in a big way with Ant and KAT on the same team. But I will take his efficiency. Up to 64% true shooting right now.

[nykballa2k4]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

Sometimes you don't know. Cade could have been Grant Hill. Wemby could have been Shawn Bradley. Granted phenom level guys (Wemby, Zion, LeBron, Duncan) are safe choices, but even Embiid had doubts coming in.

[DOT]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

Sometimes you don't know. Cade could have been Grant Hill. Wemby could have been Shawn Bradley. Granted phenom level guys (Wemby, Zion, LeBron, Duncan) are safe choices, but even Embiid had doubts coming in.

That's what I mean

A lot of it is luck.

[Gravy]

We had a We should fire Thibs and hire Monty thread here. Pepperidge farms remembers!!!!!!

[3toheadmelo]

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[KnicksGadfly]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

No _type_ of strategy "works." A good plan + good execution works. Some of that does come down to luck. The Clippers (builders) have a great mesh of talent but Kawhi is never healthy in the playoffs. That's good strategy but bad luck. OKC (tankers) kept churning good players into dead contracts and picks, then recouping the value of the dead contracts and getting more picks. They also identified a good young player as a potential cornerstone and have been building around that. That's good strategy and good luck.

The Pistons have been on the bad strategy/bad luck end of the spectrum so far. As you mention, they haven't really had the picks in great years but they've also been all over the map in terms of what they're trying to do.

You got it right. Pistons have bad luck and strategy. They've done some things right and then they do things like sign Marvin Bagley to a 3 year 37 million contract. They also aren't prioritizing their young talent much. If you have Cade and Ivey, you should be looking to get players to maximize them, not bring in Wiseman and Bagley.

Still, if you tank well enough, you really leave yourself enough runway that your franchise can still be viable through a bunch of eff-ups. Seriously, look at how bad Philly has effed up over the years. It's a joke.

[3toheadmelo]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

No _type_ of strategy "works." A good plan + good execution works. Some of that does come down to luck. The Clippers (builders) have a great mesh of talent but Kawhi is never healthy in the playoffs. That's good strategy but bad luck. OKC (tankers) kept churning good players into dead contracts and picks, then recouping the value of the dead contracts and getting more picks. They also identified a good young player as a potential cornerstone and have been building around that. That's good strategy and good luck.

The Pistons have been on the bad strategy/bad luck end of the spectrum so far. As you mention, they haven't really had the picks in great years but they've also been all over the map in terms of what they're trying to do.

You got it right. Pistons have bad luck and strategy. They've done some things right and then they do things like sign Marvin Bagley to a 3 year 37 million contract. They also aren't prioritizing their young talent much. If you have Cade and Ivey, you should be looking to get players to maximize them, not bring in Wiseman and Bagley.

Still, if you tank well enough, you really leave yourself enough runway that your franchise can still be viable through a bunch of eff-ups. Seriously, look at how bad Philly has effed up over the years. It's a joke.

Bagley has been pretty good for the pistons. On a cheap contract. Wiseman has started to look better as well. I don’t blame them for trying to buy low on them.

[Capn'O]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

No _type_ of strategy "works." A good plan + good execution works. Some of that does come down to luck. The Clippers (builders) have a great mesh of talent but Kawhi is never healthy in the playoffs. That's good strategy but bad luck. OKC (tankers) kept churning good players into dead contracts and picks, then recouping the value of the dead contracts and getting more picks. They also identified a good young player as a potential cornerstone and have been building around that. That's good strategy and good luck.

The Pistons have been on the bad strategy/bad luck end of the spectrum so far. As you mention, they haven't really had the picks in great years but they've also been all over the map in terms of what they're trying to do.

You got it right. Pistons have bad luck and strategy. They've done some things right and then they do things like sign Marvin Bagley to a 3 year 37 million contract. They also aren't prioritizing their young talent much. If you have Cade and Ivey, you should be looking to get players to maximize them, not bring in Wiseman and Bagley.

Still, if you tank well enough, you really leave yourself enough runway that your franchise can still be viable through a bunch of eff-ups. Seriously, look at how bad Philly has effed up over the years. It's a joke.

Likewise, they're a rebuilding team and have more outgoing picks than incoming. Something has gone wrong.

With that... I can see what happened to Monty with Ivey. Ivey has some serious deficiencies in his game (defense! decisions!) and the Pistons brought in Monte Morris as a steady veteran presence. The idea being, he starts Morris while Ivey learns the ropes in a more limited role behind him and eventually takes over. This benefits Cade as well, taking some pressure off on him in a lead role and just letting him play.

That's all well and good when it's Monte Morris and Morris isn't good enough that he kvetches when Ivey supplants him. I think everyone would have understood that and I'd bet good money (and only partly because I'm his BAF owner) that the Pistons aren't looking like an all time bad team with Morris in the lineup. Just regular-terrible. But Morris was out for an unspecified timetable to start the season. Now, that timetable just keeps getting pushed back further and further. So he tried the same tactic with Killian Hayes acting as the veteran placeholder and now he just looks like a dumbass while the Pistons lose game after game but he still doesn't want to reward bad habits.

[MrDollarBills]

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Look at DLo getting cooked

[nykballa2k4]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

Sometimes you don't know. Cade could have been Grant Hill. Wemby could have been Shawn Bradley. Granted phenom level guys (Wemby, Zion, LeBron, Duncan) are safe choices, but even Embiid had doubts coming in.

That's what I mean

A lot of it is luck.

There is something to creating an environment for young players to thrive. OKC basically did a more all-in type job of what Detroit is doing and it feels like it's been 7 years since they have been relevant.

[KnicksGadfly]

Udoka starting beef with Sengun!

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[NYKnickerbocker]

Why are the wizards and the warriors a nationally televised game lmao

[K_ick_God]

KD’s title hopes failing a lot and the Knicks board says

[spree2kawhi]

People are gonna talk about how the Pistons prove tanking doesn't work, but really to me it says it's more about timing than anything

Like, if they get the #1 pick one year earlier they end up with Anthony Edwards. One year later, they get Paolo Banchero

Cade isn't the problem there and he's an okay player, but he isn't either of those two. And while I like Mobley, he isn't a #1 overall worthy player, neither is Jalen Green. Scottie Barnes is having an incredible year, but nobody would've taken him #1 at the time, so there's no arguing for that

Timing is crucial.

No _type_ of strategy "works." A good plan + good execution works. Some of that does come down to luck. The Clippers (builders) have a great mesh of talent but Kawhi is never healthy in the playoffs. That's good strategy but bad luck. OKC (tankers) kept churning good players into dead contracts and picks, then recouping the value of the dead contracts and getting more picks. They also identified a good young player as a potential cornerstone and have been building around that. That's good strategy and good luck.

The Pistons have been on the bad strategy/bad luck end of the spectrum so far. As you mention, they haven't really had the picks in great years but they've also been all over the map in terms of what they're trying to do.

Do they have their pick next year? Maybe they’re proving that tanking works because they’re actually doing it. Maybe they’re already creeping up to this mediocre team in the rear view mirror but we haven’t looked behind us yet. You could look at it this way: they do have Cade Cunningham already.

[DaGawd]

phoenix is ass…

[K_ick_God]

phoenix is ass…

Where the sun don’t shine.