NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[AleksandarN]

Last year was a fluke. Again, Jokic is bad at defense

Luckiest 16 4 playoff run ever. You make it so easy thank you.

Don’t quote me. If you think they’re winning again, that’s on you. Won’t even hit the finals

You said last year was a fluke nice try. Again it is too easy. What analysis to conclude it was luck last year?

[eyeatoma]

So it was luck then. Nothing to do with Jokic’s historic play. Come on now. I expected better from you. You could say lucky if Denver didn’t run through the playoffs like they did.

One of the greatest runs by Jokic, no doubt. Some teams could have been better but had issues.

Heat with injuries, Wolves had Nuggets tight and then their own self inflicted injuries.

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Jokic played through a wrist injury during that wolves series or that would have been a sweep. So I don’t why bring up injuries

Yeah because it's minor. If he's able to play the way he did in the playoffs and elevate his game inspite of it, then it wasn't as big of a problem as people think.

Again, if it was such an issue, which apparently is still one this season, why didn't get surgery on it during the offseason.

[PennSports]

I guess the bulls are a threat to Philly too.

the bulls are a threat to everyone

they came down to the wire with the bucks in two games and won 1 of them, beat the heat twice, beat the pelicans and the sixers, and almost beat the nuggests during this most recent stretch without lavine.

they play hard as hell

[Cubbies2120]

So by that logic let's not **** on Embiid when he's dominating bad teams in the regular season when he has no control over the schedule.

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To be fair there's a huge difference between even the worst playoff teams, and the Pistons/Wizards/Hornets(Embiid got to face these guys 6 of 7 games in a row)...I didn't do the math but I feel like those 3 teams are on pace for ~ the same amount of wins COMBINED as the worst team the Nuggets played last year. Seems like it, but didn't do the math lol.

Same logic applies, you can only play who is in front of you. And he proved all those conspiracy theorists wrong with his utter domination of the best defense and best team in the West.

Not a conspiracy theory to point out facts Yes he did, he had an amazing game. I'm not sure that he'd average 35 a game facing the Wolves over 7 games though. He sure as hell would facing the Pistons/Wizards/Hornets trio though. That's the point I'm making here - it's easier to consistently dominate horrible teams (one on pace for WOAT season).

[AleksandarN]

So by that logic let's not **** on Embiid when he's dominating bad teams in the regular season when he has no control over the schedule.

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To be fair there's a huge difference between even the worst playoff teams, and the Pistons/Wizards/Hornets(Embiid got to face these guys 6 of 7 games in a row)...I didn't do the math but I feel like those 3 teams are on pace for ~ the same amount of wins COMBINED as the worst team the Nuggets played last year. Seems like it, but didn't do the math lol.

Same logic applies, you can only play who is in front of you. And he proved all those conspiracy theorists wrong with his utter domination of the best defense and best team in the West.

Jokic played better through his injury though

[AleksandarN]

One of the greatest runs by Jokic, no doubt. Some teams could have been better but had issues.

Heat with injuries, Wolves had Nuggets tight and then their own self inflicted injuries.

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Jokic played through a wrist injury during that wolves series or that would have been a sweep. So I don’t why bring up injuries

Yeah because it's minor. If he's able to play the way he did in the playoffs and elevate his game inspite of it, then it wasn't as big of a problem as people think.

Again, if it was such an issue, which apparently is still one this season, why didn't get surgery on it during the offseason.

It was minor? He was icing it everytime on the bench that series and affected his shot the whole series so yes it wasn’t minor.

[eyeatoma]

Jokic played through a wrist injury during that wolves series or that would have been a sweep. So I don’t why bring up injuries

Yeah because it's minor. If he's able to play the way he did in the playoffs and elevate his game inspite of it, then it wasn't as big of a problem as people think.

Again, if it was such an issue, which apparently is still one this season, why didn't get surgery on it during the offseason.

It was minor? He icing it on the bench and affected his shot the whole series so yes it wasn’t minor.

Then get surgery on it in the summer...

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[Cubbies2120]

Jokic played through a wrist injury during that wolves series or that would have been a sweep. So I don’t why bring up injuries

Yeah because it's minor. If he's able to play the way he did in the playoffs and elevate his game inspite of it, then it wasn't as big of a problem as people think.

Again, if it was such an issue, which apparently is still one this season, why didn't get surgery on it during the offseason.

It was minor? He icing it on the bench and affected his shot the whole series so yes it wasn’t minor.

Icing a wrist is akin to taking PEDs so Jokic should be investigated. No other player is allowed to do it because it's such an advantage. In fact they force other players to stay warm by dressing up when they're off the court because icing is such a positive thing to do.

[AleksandarN]

Yeah because it's minor. If he's able to play the way he did in the playoffs and elevate his game inspite of it, then it wasn't as big of a problem as people think.

Again, if it was such an issue, which apparently is still one this season, why didn't get surgery on it during the offseason.

It was minor? He icing it on the bench and affected his shot the whole series so yes it wasn’t minor.

Then get surgery on it in the summer...

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Did embiid this last off season?

[Cubbies2120]

Yeah because it's minor. If he's able to play the way he did in the playoffs and elevate his game inspite of it, then it wasn't as big of a problem as people think.

Again, if it was such an issue, which apparently is still one this season, why didn't get surgery on it during the offseason.

It was minor? He icing it on the bench and affected his shot the whole series so yes it wasn’t minor.

Then get surgery on it in the summer...

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Not every injury requires surgery. Some heal naturally over time. Is surgery for a sprained wrist common?

[Wolfgang630]

Can the Nuggets get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets six times in a row? It would be nice to see. Can Milwaukee get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets 6 times in a row?

[eyeatoma]

It was minor? He icing it on the bench and affected his shot the whole series so yes it wasn’t minor.

Then get surgery on it in the summer...

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Not every injury requires surgery. Some heal naturally over time. Is surgery for a sprained wrist common?

I think it's more than a sprain. Especially if it's going into this season as well.

[PennSports]

Can the Nuggets get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets six times in a row? It would be nice to see. Can Milwaukee get to play the Wizards, Pistons, Hawks and Hornets 6 times in a row?

sorry to have to break this to you but the bucks have had the easiest schedule in the league this far. 29th in Strength of schedule while the sixers are 2 percentage points higher at 26th.

focusing so much on the schedule of all things when it literally evens out over the course of a season for every team is exceedingly odd

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Embiid is #1 of a lot of rankings out there but if it comes down to the wire will last seasons Jokic narrative be used against him?

Embiid is the only MVP to never make a conference finals. Can you be a two time MVP without a conference finals appearance? If it is close enough could Luka win because of this?

We'll find out how much Jokic wants to win the award in the next 13 games or so. The Nuggets have the 4th easiest remaining schedule in the NBA, their next 13 are all very winnable. We'll see how many shot attempts he's willing to put up.

I think he cares about winning more than how many shot attempts he has.

He used to care about making a higher percentage of his shots. Why was that? Was he concerned with winning then. He won an nba championship that year I believe. I guess after winning that championship he decided making shots was too blue collar, so he plays with his head in the clouds and doesn't make as many shots anymore. Thoughts only on winning.

When he's missing 68% of his three point shots he undoubtedly thinks "this is so pedestrian, this nba with everyone trying to hit three point shots, I will dominate as a point center, these piddling shots are meaningless to me, utterly meaningless". Jokic is truly on another level.

[Wolfgang630]

Remember when Kendrick klown Perkins said Jokic was stat padding triple doubles? He made a big deal out of it on espn. I just want him to be fair and bring that up for Embiid

[RB34]

Remember when Kendrick klown Perkins said Jokic was stat padding triple doubles? He made a big deal out of it on espn. I just want him to be fair and bring that up for Embiid

The whole team cleared the way for him to get one of those rebounds.

[Cubbies2120]

Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Tobias Harris become the first 3 Sixers players to score 30-plus in the same game since 1961

- NBA.com

Nice, balanced scoring support led by the reigning MVP.

[AleksandarN]

Remember when Kendrick klown Perkins said Jokic was stat padding triple doubles? He made a big deal out of it on espn. I just want him to be fair and bring that up for Embiid

The whole team cleared the way for him to get one of those rebounds.

Makes sense until you realize that jokic was one of leaders in the league in contested rebounds. Got anything else?

[iggymcfrack]

Current on/offs for the top MVP candidates:

Jokic: +20.2
Shai: +19.2
Giannis: +8.4
Embiid: +5.7

Seems like where there’s smoke there’s fire. My vote’s with SGA for now.

[iggymcfrack]

We'll find out how much Jokic wants to win the award in the next 13 games or so. The Nuggets have the 4th easiest remaining schedule in the NBA, their next 13 are all very winnable. We'll see how many shot attempts he's willing to put up.

I think he cares about winning more than how many shot attempts he has.

He used to care about making a higher percentage of his shots. Why was that? Was he concerned with winning then. He won an nba championship that year I believe. I guess after winning that championship he decided making shots was too blue collar, so he plays with his head in the clouds and doesn't make as many shots anymore. Thoughts only on winning.

When he's missing 68% of his three point shots he undoubtedly thinks "this is so pedestrian, this nba with everyone trying to hit three point shots, I will dominate as a point center, these piddling shots are meaningless to me, utterly meaningless". Jokic is truly on another level.

He’s always cared about winning over everything. Last year, with his supporting cast finally healthy he focused on getting shots for the other guys on the team so they’d be confident for the playoffs. This year, with Murray hurt for a large portion of the season, he focused on volume scoring more. Overall, he’s been almost as effective as he was last year as while he’s made a lower percentage of shots, he’s also reduced his turnovers.