The Gradey Dick Thread Part 2

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I would rather watch Gradey build a house with his bricks than watch 400. basketball, which mirrors how the Leafs operated for years.

We had 3 HOF athletes playing in Toronto during the 2000's (Doc,Bosh,Sundin). None of the achieved teams success but accomplished individual accolades.

I can confidential say Scottie is a future top 15 all-nba player. Looking at the current roster Gradey is the only player that will be here when Scottie reaches his prime.

We Torontonians support losers a rebuild isnt going to scare the fans away. Look at the current standings, the NBA is experiencing the changing of guard this season.

Rebuild now!!

Hell, Scottie is bordering on top 15 right now if All NBA is the metric, his stats are good enough for 3rd team IMO. I doubt he makes it this year, but unless he stagnates next year, it'll be hard to not see him getting some recognition for it.

I agree, he has become a consistent 3 level scorer this season and can guard 1 through 5.

Who else is doing what he does?

The next step is learning how to win. Imho W's > stats

Its interesting that some posters are still doubting him when every coach and star players are acknowledging that Scottie is special talent.

I dont think we will see a huge correlation between his stats and winning, until we see a more balanced roster/smarter players.

[Yallbecrazy]

Huh? A lot of media outlets and reporters saying it was a really good pick. And after a quick Google search now, the majority of outlets gave the Raptors an A- or better (7 of the first 10 that showed up after my search) while the others were B+ or B. Everyone thought it was a very good pick that would theoretically improve two of our weakest points (spacing and three-point shooting), but it hasn't happened yet in the ~225 NBA minutes we've seen with Gradey on the floor.

He may not have been the consensus pick at 13 because a few others also dropped, but he was arguably the BPA at that point or at least right there with Whitmore. Guys like Bufkin and George were thought of to be higher-ceiling players if they reached their potential though.

So as I said, he wasn't the consensus, most of the draft grades I saw gave better marks to the Rockets for grabbing Cam Whitmore so low. Virtually everyone pointed out that Gradet was a defensive liability, one draft grade even said we had the defensive pieces in place to compensate for his lack of ability on that end so it was a good fit. Another gave us an A- just because we were a horrible 3 point shooting team and needed a shooter, nothing about us getting the best player available on the board.

Whitmore was drafted 20th. If Dick was drafted 20th, that team would be getting an A/A+ grade as well. As Pingpongrac said, we received very good draft grades for picking Gradey. Most of the draft grades I read claimed "Toronto probably didn't expect Gradey to be available at their pick" and "they must be happy that Gradey slid to them at 13." Most mocks had Gradey in the lottery and the draft "experts" that follow this stuff year in and year out and have excellent track records all liked Gradey. These are people who had Scottie 2nd on their draft board behind Mobley, had Cade, Kuminga and Green low and had Sanguine and Franz quite high. This year they also had Jaquez and Podz ranked quite high. They know their stuff.

I expected more from Gradey this year. I think everyone is disappointed with how he's played. But we do need to remember that he's 20 years old and I believe just has one year of college under his belt.

This guy had Gradey as #9 so 2nd BPA behing Podz when we were picking. I also had him #2 behind Podz, but I had Podz as a top 4 player in the draft.


https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/2023-big-board

Gradey was younger and considered better at everything non shooting compared to Hawkins.

The problem with Gradey is he started out his freshman year really well and then got pretty cold toward the end with the odd good game sprinkled in. It's like his cold streak continued for a whole calendar year.

[KL78192020]

The guy Bilal Coulibaly was supposed to be the project who couldn't shoot yet he's shooting 41.6% from 3 and playing 26mpg. Meanwhile Gradey is at 25% and can't even crack the roster lol. But we needed to make that playin last year though.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The guy Bilal Coulibaly was supposed to be the project who couldn't shoot yet he's shooting 41.6% from 3 and playing 26mpg. Meanwhile Gradey is at 25% and can't even crack the roster lol. But we needed to make that playin last year though.

Coulibaly could shoot. He was a spot up guy in France.

[Los_29]

So as I said, he wasn't the consensus, most of the draft grades I saw gave better marks to the Rockets for grabbing Cam Whitmore so low. Virtually everyone pointed out that Gradet was a defensive liability, one draft grade even said we had the defensive pieces in place to compensate for his lack of ability on that end so it was a good fit. Another gave us an A- just because we were a horrible 3 point shooting team and needed a shooter, nothing about us getting the best player available on the board.

Whitmore was drafted 20th. If Dick was drafted 20th, that team would be getting an A/A+ grade as well. As Pingpongrac said, we received very good draft grades for picking Gradey. Most of the draft grades I read claimed "Toronto probably didn't expect Gradey to be available at their pick" and "they must be happy that Gradey slid to them at 13." Most mocks had Gradey in the lottery and the draft "experts" that follow this stuff year in and year out and have excellent track records all liked Gradey. These are people who had Scottie 2nd on their draft board behind Mobley, had Cade, Kuminga and Green low and had Sanguine and Franz quite high. This year they also had Jaquez and Podz ranked quite high. They know their stuff.

I expected more from Gradey this year. I think everyone is disappointed with how he's played. But we do need to remember that he's 20 years old and I believe just has one year of college under his belt.

This guy had Gradey as #9 so 2nd BPA behing Podz when we were picking. I also had him #2 behind Podz, but I had Podz as a top 4 player in the draft.


https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/2023-big-board

Gradey was younger and considered better at everything non shooting compared to Hawkins.

The problem with Gradey is he started out his freshman year really well and then got pretty cold toward the end with the odd good game sprinkled in. It's like his cold streak continued for a whole calendar year.

Exactly, great find. Dick was pretty highly regarded by knowledgeable and credible draft experts.

It is strange to see guys like Jaquez and Podz slipping so much in the draft when they are clearly better than 95% of the people ahead of them.

[ItsDanger]

Revisionist history on pre-draft rankings? LOL

[Prestige]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/14kqj9g/gradey_dickfuture_star_or_bust_in_the_city_of/

[Mr Fitzhume]

Read on Twitter

[Tha Cynic]

:banghead:

Read on Twitter

They forgot to add Gradey Dick.

By the way, what is happening with this guy? He has gone from a regular rotation player to Malachi Flynn status pretty quickly. Is he playing in the G League at least?

[Prestige]

:banghead:

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They forgot to add Gradey Dick.

By the way, what is happening with this guy? He has gone from a regular rotation player to Malachi Flynn status pretty quickly. Is he playing in the G League at least?

He’s been back with the team and playing the last couple of garbage time minutes. They may be protecting his mental state since he can’t hack it in the G League.

[wegotthabeet]

Whitmore was drafted 20th. If Dick was drafted 20th, that team would be getting an A/A+ grade as well. As Pingpongrac said, we received very good draft grades for picking Gradey. Most of the draft grades I read claimed "Toronto probably didn't expect Gradey to be available at their pick" and "they must be happy that Gradey slid to them at 13." Most mocks had Gradey in the lottery and the draft "experts" that follow this stuff year in and year out and have excellent track records all liked Gradey. These are people who had Scottie 2nd on their draft board behind Mobley, had Cade, Kuminga and Green low and had Sanguine and Franz quite high. This year they also had Jaquez and Podz ranked quite high. They know their stuff.

I expected more from Gradey this year. I think everyone is disappointed with how he's played. But we do need to remember that he's 20 years old and I believe just has one year of college under his belt.

This guy had Gradey as #9 so 2nd BPA behing Podz when we were picking. I also had him #2 behind Podz, but I had Podz as a top 4 player in the draft.


https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/2023-big-board

Gradey was younger and considered better at everything non shooting compared to Hawkins.

The problem with Gradey is he started out his freshman year really well and then got pretty cold toward the end with the odd good game sprinkled in. It's like his cold streak continued for a whole calendar year.

Exactly, great find. Dick was pretty highly regarded by knowledgeable and credible draft experts.

It is strange to see guys like Jaquez and Podz slipping so much in the draft when they are clearly better than 95% of the people ahead of them.

That guy Dean has had some great calls and some horrible calls over the last decade. Just like every draft analyst.

[ciueli]

This guy had Gradey as #9 so 2nd BPA behing Podz when we were picking. I also had him #2 behind Podz, but I had Podz as a top 4 player in the draft.


https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/2023-big-board

Gradey was younger and considered better at everything non shooting compared to Hawkins.

The problem with Gradey is he started out his freshman year really well and then got pretty cold toward the end with the odd good game sprinkled in. It's like his cold streak continued for a whole calendar year.

Exactly, great find. Dick was pretty highly regarded by knowledgeable and credible draft experts.

It is strange to see guys like Jaquez and Podz slipping so much in the draft when they are clearly better than 95% of the people ahead of them.

That guy Dean has had some great calls and some horrible calls over the last decade. Just like every draft analyst.

Now we're quoting some random guy named Dean on Substack. At least he hit on the real reason we drafted Gradey:

But he has solid height at 6’8

Vision 6'9" everyone (or as close as we can get to it).

[Kevin Willis]

:banghead:

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Scoot hasn't been great when he's healthy
Bilal C. is ending up being the steal we thought he might be. He will only get much better from here
Hawkins and George have been really good and would look good in this lineup.

[Scase]

:banghead:

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Jaime > Wemby. Spurs are a poverty org for missing on that 1st OA pick.

[wegotthabeet]

Exactly, great find. Dick was pretty highly regarded by knowledgeable and credible draft experts.

It is strange to see guys like Jaquez and Podz slipping so much in the draft when they are clearly better than 95% of the people ahead of them.

That guy Dean has had some great calls and some horrible calls over the last decade. Just like every draft analyst.

Now we're quoting some random guy named Dean on Substack. At least he hit on the real reason we drafted Gradey:

But he has solid height at 6’8

Vision 6'9" everyone (or as close as we can get to it).

He had Cason over Scoot which I actually agree with.

Anyways regarding Dick, you got to give him a couple of years before you can start assessing him. Way too many people now are victims of recency bias. The kid is what 19 still. He has the tools to be a solid rotation player. Anyone expecting him to play meaningful minutes as a rookie is **** dumb. No polite way to say it.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Why? Even Scoot Henderson is playing meaningful minutes. This team sucks and he can't get minutes on it. Also you could find a more polite way of putting it tbf and hes 20 now but just barely.

Edit: the other thing is he's not been good/great in the gleague. His EFG% is below 40. It's not a huge sample of games but the results haven't been good in the minor league system. So yeah let's see how he develops and if he can into an nba player. Seeing A hot run of shooting would help.

[hype_2004]

Just need to get stronger, patience my friends, when he gets stronger everything will change and you will see massive improvements.

[Yallbecrazy]

Exactly, great find. Dick was pretty highly regarded by knowledgeable and credible draft experts.

It is strange to see guys like Jaquez and Podz slipping so much in the draft when they are clearly better than 95% of the people ahead of them.

That guy Dean has had some great calls and some horrible calls over the last decade. Just like every draft analyst.

Now we're quoting some random guy named Dean on Substack. At least he hit on the real reason we drafted Gradey:

But he has solid height at 6’8

Vision 6'9" everyone (or as close as we can get to it).

He's by far the best draft analyst out there. He only does it part time, but his hit rate is more than a standard deviation above the others.

[ciueli]

That guy Dean has had some great calls and some horrible calls over the last decade. Just like every draft analyst.

Now we're quoting some random guy named Dean on Substack. At least he hit on the real reason we drafted Gradey:

But he has solid height at 6’8

Vision 6'9" everyone (or as close as we can get to it).

He had Cason over Scoot which I actually agree with.

Anyways regarding Dick, you got to give him a couple of years before you can start assessing him. Way too many people now are victims of recency bias. The kid is what 19 still. He has the tools to be a solid rotation player. Anyone expecting him to play meaningful minutes as a rookie is **** dumb. No polite way to say it.

Play meaningful minutes as a rookie? No. Play minutes where he doesn't look like a bottom 5 player in the entire NBA? Yes?

[Los_29]

This guy had Gradey as #9 so 2nd BPA behing Podz when we were picking. I also had him #2 behind Podz, but I had Podz as a top 4 player in the draft.


https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/2023-big-board

Gradey was younger and considered better at everything non shooting compared to Hawkins.

The problem with Gradey is he started out his freshman year really well and then got pretty cold toward the end with the odd good game sprinkled in. It's like his cold streak continued for a whole calendar year.

Exactly, great find. Dick was pretty highly regarded by knowledgeable and credible draft experts.

It is strange to see guys like Jaquez and Podz slipping so much in the draft when they are clearly better than 95% of the people ahead of them.

That guy Dean has had some great calls and some horrible calls over the last decade. Just like every draft analyst.

Majority of his calls are good though. He’s legitimately better than 95% of NBA teams. Just listening to Dean would’ve saved a team like the Pistons. lol.