What Happened To Star-J Barrett?

[moocow007]

It's tough because I like the kid. And I feel like if he blossomed into a bonafide star wing (not asking for a 30/8/7 LeBron, but maybe a 25/6/4 Pierce), we'd be legitimate contenders. But I think he's more of a 2nd option on a contending team, and right now we have three 2nd options running the show (Brunson is an excellent closer, not denying it of course). I know he's young, but he hasn't shown signs of becoming an efficient 25-30 ppg scorer with the superstar upside of Ant, SGA, Tatum etc.

Not sure if I'm making sense, just my thoughts right now and it's late. I know he's young, maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

The problem with the notion that he can become a Paul Pierce is that he’s not exhibited any of the characteristics that made Pierce Pierce except maybe a similar physical profile (not a good thing). Pierce compensated for his lack of high end athleticism and quickness with top tier smarts and craftiness. RJ really hasn’t exhibited any of that IMO. Instead RJ still does way too much head down barrel to the basket moves, doesn’t really see the floor well nor takes what the defense gives him. Whether that’s because he sees what Randle does and feels he has to follow suit (he can’t and shouldn’t as Randle is more skilled) or he just still locked into the notion that he has to be a scorer. But regardless I don’t see a path where he will get any better. Hes young sure but he’s also been in this league for many many years now.

[KNICKFAN374]

Disclaimer: I'm a big, big RJ fan.

I absolutely love the FT% improvement. He's getting to the point where he's legit a top 50 guy in FT%, it's incredible, I never had hopes for this, 78% would have been enough for my enjoyment.

BUT: this is not translating to jump shots. He's one of the very worst high-volume jump shooters in the league. In fact, one can argue he's the worst in the league in pull-up jumpers. As long as he doesn't improve this to league average-ish, he won't reach the next level. This should be his #1, #2, and #3 focus in the next offseason.

I agree, but whether you're a fan or not, it's hard to argue that his form is terrible, too much arm, it's like a shot put. Just not fluid at all.

[KOA]

Disclaimer: I'm a big, big RJ fan.

I absolutely love the FT% improvement. He's getting to the point where he's legit a top 50 guy in FT%, it's incredible, I never had hopes for this, 78% would have been enough for my enjoyment.

BUT: this is not translating to jump shots. He's one of the very worst high-volume jump shooters in the league. In fact, one can argue he's the worst in the league in pull-up jumpers. As long as he doesn't improve this to league average-ish, he won't reach the next level. This should be his #1, #2, and #3 focus in the next offseason.

I agree, but whether you're a fan or not, it's hard to argue that his form is terrible, too much arm, it's like a shot put. Just not fluid at all.

The pull up numbers is kinda silly since he’s taken like 1 pull up per game if that, so the sample just isn’t there.

Rather than focus on pull ups, I think adding floaters to his skill-set would make a big difference.

He typically tries to use the backboard to lay it in, but if he can just float it in from a few feet, it would cause the defense to have to guard him differently. He’s taken a few and shown a nice touch already. Just needs to use them more and then over time can widen his range

[JCS]

His pull-up % is similar as last season, that's a sample of 135 pull-up jumpers, he just made 37 of those

Anyway, I was playing with the Darko app a bit, looking for wings in the modern era which were at about the same point in DPM after 300-ish games in their career. These are the best I could find, it is worrying I have to admit if like me you still dream of several All-Star selections for RJ.

[Clyde_Style]

His pull-up % is similar as last season, that's a sample of 135 pull-up jumpers, he just made 37 of those

Anyway, I was playing with the Darko app a bit, looking for wings in the modern era which were at about the same point in DPM after 300-ish games in their career. These are the best I could find, it is worrying I have to admit if like me you still dream of several All-Star selections for RJ.

Well, he has more oscillations in his trend line, but it is definitely ascending.

As long as it trends higher, even with some erractic play, his highs and lows would be higher overall and I'd be fine with that.

[Chanel Bomber]

Disclaimer: I'm a big, big RJ fan.

I absolutely love the FT% improvement. He's getting to the point where he's legit a top 50 guy in FT%, it's incredible, I never had hopes for this, 78% would have been enough for my enjoyment.

BUT: this is not translating to jump shots. He's one of the very worst high-volume jump shooters in the league. In fact, one can argue he's the worst in the league in pull-up jumpers. As long as he doesn't improve this to league average-ish, he won't reach the next level. This should be his #1, #2, and #3 focus in the next offseason.

I agree, but whether you're a fan or not, it's hard to argue that his form is terrible, too much arm, it's like a shot put. Just not fluid at all.

The pull up numbers is kinda silly since he’s taken like 1 pull up per game if that, so the sample just isn’t there.

Rather than focus on pull ups, I think adding floaters to his skill-set would make a big difference.

He typically tries to use the backboard to lay it in, but if he can just float it in from a few feet, it would cause the defense to have to guard him differently. He’s taken a few and shown a nice touch already. Just needs to use them more and then over time can widen his range

The sample isn't there because the skill isn't there.

[Ghetto Gospel]

I agree, but whether you're a fan or not, it's hard to argue that his form is terrible, too much arm, it's like a shot put. Just not fluid at all.

The pull up numbers is kinda silly since he’s taken like 1 pull up per game if that, so the sample just isn’t there.

Rather than focus on pull ups, I think adding floaters to his skill-set would make a big difference.

He typically tries to use the backboard to lay it in, but if he can just float it in from a few feet, it would cause the defense to have to guard him differently. He’s taken a few and shown a nice touch already. Just needs to use them more and then over time can widen his range

The sample isn't there because the skill isn't there.

/thread

[nyk2017]

RJ needed to go. Trade him and a FRP for oG

[nedleeds]

It's tough because I like the kid. And I feel like if he blossomed into a bonafide star wing (not asking for a 30/8/7 LeBron, but maybe a 25/6/4 Pierce), we'd be legitimate contenders. But I think he's more of a 2nd option on a contending team, and right now we have three 2nd options running the show (Brunson is an excellent closer, not denying it of course). I know he's young, but he hasn't shown signs of becoming an efficient 25-30 ppg scorer with the superstar upside of Ant, SGA, Tatum etc.

Not sure if I'm making sense, just my thoughts right now and it's late. I know he's young, maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

The problem with the notion that he can become a Paul Pierce is that he’s not exhibited any of the characteristics that made Pierce Pierce except maybe a similar physical profile (not a good thing). Pierce compensated for his lack of high end athleticism and quickness with top tier smarts and craftiness. RJ really hasn’t exhibited any of that IMO. Instead RJ still does way too much head down barrel to the basket moves, doesn’t really see the floor well nor takes what the defense gives him. Whether that’s because he sees what Randle does and feels he has to follow suit (he can’t and shouldn’t as Randle is more skilled) or he just still locked into the notion that he has to be a scorer. But regardless I don’t see a path where he will get any better. Hes young sure but he’s also been in this league for many many years now.

He's left handed Paul Pierce playing with oven mittens.

It's not close, Paul Pierce in his rookie year was shooting .412 on 3's -- in 1998-9. When 3's weren't as easy and free to get. Paul Pierce led the league in points at age 24.

Most of all Paul Pierce's league adjusted shooting numbers in his first 4 years were all very positive. RJs have been absolutely offense demolishing level horrible, Westbrook level horrible.

Year 4 for The Truth his true shooting add was **** +186.8, Chanel will need tissues to clean up after reading these stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/piercpa01.html#all_adj_shooting

[Chanel Bomber]

It's tough because I like the kid. And I feel like if he blossomed into a bonafide star wing (not asking for a 30/8/7 LeBron, but maybe a 25/6/4 Pierce), we'd be legitimate contenders. But I think he's more of a 2nd option on a contending team, and right now we have three 2nd options running the show (Brunson is an excellent closer, not denying it of course). I know he's young, but he hasn't shown signs of becoming an efficient 25-30 ppg scorer with the superstar upside of Ant, SGA, Tatum etc.

Not sure if I'm making sense, just my thoughts right now and it's late. I know he's young, maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

The problem with the notion that he can become a Paul Pierce is that he’s not exhibited any of the characteristics that made Pierce Pierce except maybe a similar physical profile (not a good thing). Pierce compensated for his lack of high end athleticism and quickness with top tier smarts and craftiness. RJ really hasn’t exhibited any of that IMO. Instead RJ still does way too much head down barrel to the basket moves, doesn’t really see the floor well nor takes what the defense gives him. Whether that’s because he sees what Randle does and feels he has to follow suit (he can’t and shouldn’t as Randle is more skilled) or he just still locked into the notion that he has to be a scorer. But regardless I don’t see a path where he will get any better. Hes young sure but he’s also been in this league for many many years now.

He's left handed Paul Pierce playing with oven mittens.

It's not close, Paul Pierce in his rookie year was shooting .412 on 3's -- in 1998-9. When 3's weren't as easy and free to get. Paul Pierce led the league in points at age 24.

Most of all Paul Pierce's league adjusted shooting numbers in his first 4 years were all very positive. RJs have been absolutely offense demolishing level horrible, Westbrook level horrible.

Year 4 for The Truth his true shooting add was **** +186.8, Chanel will need tissues to clean up after reading these stats

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/piercpa01.html#all_adj_shooting

The Paul Pierce comps never made any sense.

The only trait they have in common is Pierce's "weakness" and PP was both taller and more athletic than RJ anyway.

[Ursusamericanus]

It's tough because I like the kid. And I feel like if he blossomed into a bonafide star wing (not asking for a 30/8/7 LeBron, but maybe a 25/6/4 Pierce), we'd be legitimate contenders. But I think he's more of a 2nd option on a contending team, and right now we have three 2nd options running the show (Brunson is an excellent closer, not denying it of course). I know he's young, but he hasn't shown signs of becoming an efficient 25-30 ppg scorer with the superstar upside of Ant, SGA, Tatum etc.

Not sure if I'm making sense, just my thoughts right now and it's late. I know he's young, maybe I'm being too pessimistic.

The problem with the notion that he can become a Paul Pierce is that he’s not exhibited any of the characteristics that made Pierce Pierce except maybe a similar physical profile (not a good thing). Pierce compensated for his lack of high end athleticism and quickness with top tier smarts and craftiness. RJ really hasn’t exhibited any of that IMO. Instead RJ still does way too much head down barrel to the basket moves, doesn’t really see the floor well nor takes what the defense gives him. Whether that’s because he sees what Randle does and feels he has to follow suit (he can’t and shouldn’t as Randle is more skilled) or he just still locked into the notion that he has to be a scorer. But regardless I don’t see a path where he will get any better. Hes young sure but he’s also been in this league for many many years now.

Yeah no, you're right. It's an insult to Pierce now to compare the two at this stage. He's not nearly as good and never will be. I've seen enough. I used to like his even-keeled demeanor but he is simply not very good, and this is year 5. He's not even a 2nd option with his inefficiency.

[Galou]

Not gonna front yo. RJ been skittish lately.

He need to snap out it and become that guy

He's killing me right now. Next game against the bucks should be no excuses yo. Turn Super Saiyin on these punks RJ.

C'mon son, THE TIME Is NOW! Do it Now got dammit!
WAKE THE F_CK UP!

Sheesh

[rate_]

RJ Barrett never passed the eye test as a prospect to me. But, I understood why the Knicks drafted him. Garland looked way more impressive to me at the time. SMH.

[nyk2017]

RJ is utter garbage. Trade his crappy inefficient ass for OG, one or both of WAS or DET FRPs and include dropping the lawsuit as a sweetener. Even if we lose OG in the offseason, at least we will have RJ off our books.

[DaGawd]

requesting permanent removal of this moniker for rj across knicks nation

[robillionaire]

requesting permanent removal of this moniker for rj across knicks nation

The star represents the Chinese flag where he will be playing in a couple more years most likely

[Galvationknicks]

Is this the pg thread now lol

[nyknicks09]

RJ taking notes. Make sure you don’t get amnesia.

[Galvationknicks]

Wow those migraines turned RJ to 2nd year player.

[3toheadmelo]

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