Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[Domejandro]

I’ve been thinking about Caruso since yesterday.

Great player, but don’t we have a B-level Caruso in NAW?

Would Caruso take all of NAW’s minutes, which are sadly already limited by Jaden’s return?

C-level, if we are being generous. Alex Caruso's defense is freakish, and he is far more efficient as an off-ball player.

Definitely not worth fantasizing about, Minnesota doesn't have the sauce to complete that kind of trade, unfortunately. I don't regret the trade, but not having that one extra first to play with from the Rudy Gobert trade definitely limits Minnesota.

[winforlose]

I’ve been thinking about Caruso since yesterday.

Great player, but don’t we have a B-level Caruso in NAW?

Would Caruso take all of NAW’s minutes, which are sadly already limited by Jaden’s return?

C-level, if we are being generous. Alex Caruso's defense is freakish, and he is far more efficient as an off-ball player.

Definitely not worth fantasizing about, Minnesota doesn't have the sauce to complete that kind of trade, unfortunately. I don't regret the trade, but not having that one extra first to play with from the Rudy Gobert trade definitely limits Minnesota.

I like AC was well, but let’s not get carried away. I don’t think he is that much better than NAW, and even if he is, the best ability is availability and AC has questions in that area. But I do agree we don’t have the assets and they don’t have the will to sell AC so he is not a realistic trade target.

[shrink]

That’s probably a lot closer with Tyus going to the Pacers and McConnell to the Wolves.

McConnell doesn’t help the spacing issue. He is a smaller and somewhat better mid range shooting version of Kyle. I was talking to someone on the trade board and they said the Pacers would really value Kyle. But in order for us to give up Kyle we need the floor spacing PG, and that is not McConnell. We could drop the JMAC and Nembhard part, but, if the Pacers are serious about making the playoffs, they could use someone like JMAC who can facilitate well at their pace. Moreover, we couldn’t give up that much PG depth without getting another PG back. Nembhard is probably not ready to contribute this year whereas JMAC could for them. But you might be right that value is off.

Nembhard started 63 games for the Pacers last year as a 23 year old rookie. They love that guy.

If you dropped the Nembhard-JMac swap, it’s much closer. You’re right that the Pacers just don’t have a PF.

MIN IN: Tyus Jones
MIN OUT: Anderson + Milton

IND IN: Anderson
IND OUT: McConnell + prot 1st

WAS IN: McConnell + Milton + prot 1st
WAS OUT: Tyus Jones

WAS fans might want more for Tyus after his triple double, but he’s expiring and he’s small and will be relentlessly attacked defensively in the playoffs on our team, so I think a protected 1st is the right valuation.

[winforlose]

That’s probably a lot closer with Tyus going to the Pacers and McConnell to the Wolves.

McConnell doesn’t help the spacing issue. He is a smaller and somewhat better mid range shooting version of Kyle. I was talking to someone on the trade board and they said the Pacers would really value Kyle. But in order for us to give up Kyle we need the floor spacing PG, and that is not McConnell. We could drop the JMAC and Nembhard part, but, if the Pacers are serious about making the playoffs, they could use someone like JMAC who can facilitate well at their pace. Moreover, we couldn’t give up that much PG depth without getting another PG back. Nembhard is probably not ready to contribute this year whereas JMAC could for them. But you might be right that value is off.

Nembhard started 63 games for the Pacers last year as a 23 year old rookie. They love that guy.

If you dropped the Nembhard-JMac swap, it’s much closer. You’re right that the Pacers just don’t have a PF.

If we drop the swap I still think they owe value. Kyle is slumping on offense and is expiring, both lower his value. Worse, we don’t have full bird rights for him. But, all of that being true, he is still a multi positional player on offense and a high level defender of multiple positions. Guys like Kyle have more value than a protected first to a team looking to add defense in a win now situation. His biggest problem with us is fit.

[twolves31]

Eric Gordon is complaining in Phoenix about a lack of touches. Not that we would give him more minutes, but would be interesting if he causes too much of a distraction that Phoenix decides to either trade or flat out cut him down the road. He's on a cheap vet min contract.

[winforlose]

Eric Gordon is complaining in Phoenix about a lack of touches. Not that we would give him more minutes, but would be interesting if he causes too much of a distraction that Phoenix decides to either trade or flat out cut him down the road. He's on a cheap vet min contract.

Haven’t seen much of Gordon the past few years. Is he washed?

[Klomp]

I'd put the odds of Gordon in a Timberwolves jersey at 0.001%

If they trade him, they'll get better offers.
If he's bought out, I'd be surprised if he wants to come here.

[shrink]

Eric Gordon is complaining in Phoenix about a lack of touches. Not that we would give him more minutes, but would be interesting if he causes too much of a distraction that Phoenix decides to either trade or flat out cut him down the road. He's on a cheap vet min contract.

Haven’t seen much of Gordon the past few years. Is he washed?

Defensively he looks bad, but he can still shoot and score. This year, behind KD and Booker, he’s still averaging 13 PPG and shooting 39% for 3P. I think he could be an upgrade in Milton’s role, and even though he’s not a PG, probably run an offense well enough to provide some Conley insurance, if he was happy with that.

[jpatrick]

Eric Gordon is complaining in Phoenix about a lack of touches. Not that we would give him more minutes, but would be interesting if he causes too much of a distraction that Phoenix decides to either trade or flat out cut him down the road. He's on a cheap vet min contract.

Haven’t seen much of Gordon the past few years. Is he washed?

Defensively he looks bad, but he can still shoot and score. This year, behind KD and Booker, he’s still averaging 13 PPG and shooting 39% for 3P. I think he could be an upgrade in Milton’s role, and even though he’s not a PG, probably run an offense well enough to provide some Conley insurance, if he was happy with that.

I would 100% take him on the cheap. That said, he’s still a very useful player to the Suns (playing 30 min per night), who still have title aspirations. No chance they are just going to give him away. And especially no chance they are going to give him away in a trade to a conference rival unless getting something even more useful back, which we don’t have to give, unless we try to make it some sort of Anderson for Gordon deal. I could see Anderson actually helping the Suns, but I don’t see us doing that.

[winforlose]

Eric Gordon is complaining in Phoenix about a lack of touches. Not that we would give him more minutes, but would be interesting if he causes too much of a distraction that Phoenix decides to either trade or flat out cut him down the road. He's on a cheap vet min contract.

Haven’t seen much of Gordon the past few years. Is he washed?

Defensively he looks bad, but he can still shoot and score. This year, behind KD and Booker, he’s still averaging 13 PPG and shooting 39% for 3P. I think he could be an upgrade in Milton’s role, and even though he’s not a PG, probably run an offense well enough to provide some Conley insurance, if he was happy with that.

I BB referenced him and he takes 11 shots per game. If he wants more that would be tight with us. TBJ is already mostly out of the rotation, and I don’t see NAW or Naz losing minutes to him. Between Kyle and Gordon it would be tough. Some nights Finch might choose offense, but others he will choose defense. I just don’t think it would work.

[shrink]

I agree with Klomp that the odds are low, but maybe not .0001% low. He’s 35, so he has some credibility around the league, and he also took a pay cut to sign a vet min deal. If he’s unhappy (and this isn’t the first time Gordon has been vocal in his career), they may let him out of his deal to sign where he wants. And for the first time that I can remember, MIN might be a free agent’s top option, with their bright playoff outlook and a visible role for him!

[winforlose]

I agree with Klomp that the odds are low, but maybe not .0001% low. He’s 35, so he has some credibility around the league, and he also took a pay cut to sign a vet min deal. If he’s unhappy (and this isn’t the first time Gordon has been vocal in his career), they may let him out of his deal to sign where he wants. And for the first time that I can remember, MIN might be a free agent’s top option, with their bright playoff outlook and a visible role for him!

Question is does he crack the rotation?

[Neeva]

Caruso is getting really overrated IMO. He’s really not that huge of a difference maker. wolves should be looking for another NAW type, cheap, overlooked and can help off the bench.

[shrink]

I agree with Klomp that the odds are low, but maybe not .0001% low. He’s 35, so he has some credibility around the league, and he also took a pay cut to sign a vet min deal. If he’s unhappy (and this isn’t the first time Gordon has been vocal in his career), they may let him out of his deal to sign where he wants. And for the first time that I can remember, MIN might be a free agent’s top option, with their bright playoff outlook and a visible role for him!

Question is does he crack the rotation?

I think he’s back up “PG,” and could start if Conley misses games.

[Shaka_Zulu]

I dont know what contract he has, smaller one I think. But I really want Isaiah Joe from OKC, that kid is off the bench bucket and total sniper. OKC has so many guards, tho sadly think they may value him high enough still. He is such a good shooter.

https://youtu.be/OUamgZ6M0O0?si=csln7m7wnlDnlefl



If we had any extra 1sts to give, I rather we spent it on him then Tyus, who is a fine floor general and safe, but not instant offense like Joe.

[Klomp]

Knowing everything that Tim Connelly and Chris Finch covet, an interesting option could be Talen Horton-Tucker.

1. Size/length
2. Youth (23)
3. Defensive tools
4. Facilitating potential
5. Likely able to give moderate contract extension

He could easily be your new version of Kyle Anderson.

Fun fact: THT currently has an assist percentage higher than any Timberwolves player (29.8%).

Watch on YouTube

[winforlose]

I dont know what contract he has, smaller one I think. But I really want Isaiah Joe from OKC, that kid is off the bench bucket and total sniper. OKC has so many guards, tho sadly think they may value him high enough still. He is such a good shooter.

https://youtu.be/OUamgZ6M0O0?si=csln7m7wnlDnlefl



If we had any extra 1sts to give, I rather we spent it on him then Tyus, who is a fine floor general and safe, but not instant offense like Joe.

I think he is their 6th or 7th man. They are also swimming in picks. They are the #2 in the west 2.5 games back from us. They are probably going to be aggressive buyers.

[andyhop]

I dont know what contract he has, smaller one I think. But I really want Isaiah Joe from OKC, that kid is off the bench bucket and total sniper. OKC has so many guards, tho sadly think they may value him high enough still. He is such a good shooter.

https://youtu.be/OUamgZ6M0O0?si=csln7m7wnlDnlefl



If we had any extra 1sts to give, I rather we spent it on him then Tyus, who is a fine floor general and safe, but not instant offense like Joe.

I think he is their 6th or 7th man. They are also swimming in picks. They are the #2 in the west 2.5 games back from us. They are probably going to be aggressive buyers.

They should definitely be making it rain 1sts to try and get the pieces they want , they have so many picks that they can't possibly use them all so overpaying makes perfect sense

[MN7725]

i assume Patty Mills is washed at this point?
was never really a "PG" anyway, but a knock down shooter at least

$6.8 mil expiring

[younggunsmn]

I've been looking through teams for a vet min guard to trade Wendell Moore for.
Or maybe someone will take him into their TPE and we can sign someone off the street.

NY - Ryan Arcidiacono
CLE - Ty Jerome
CHA - Frank Ntilikina
BRK - Lonnie Walker, Dennis Smith
ATL - Garrison Matthews
GSW - Corey Joseph
HOU - Aaron Holiday
MEM - Derrick Rose
POR - Skylar Mays
UTAH - Kris Dunn

Not a lot of attractive options out there, but I wouldn't be surprised to see us move Moore to get off his contract for next year so we can use his roster spot on a guy actually capable of giving us minutes.