NFC East

[Cactus Jack]

I know Mr. Jack will be disappointed to see Seahawks below Bucs.

I mean the Bucs have recently been below average to bad, if you take away the Brady years. While the Hawks are 1st or 2nd in the NFC in wins since 2012. So...


Edit: They are indeed first. Green Bay is 2nd.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-nfc-wins-since-2012

[El Turco]

I know Mr. Jack will be disappointed to see Seahawks below Bucs.

I mean the Bucs have recently been below average to bad, if you take away the Brady years. While the Hawks are 1st or 2nd in the NFC in wins since 2012. So...

Yeah but wins are not important unless they are Super Bowl wins, Bucs have two wins Hawks have 1 win.


Kidding aside Seahawks are generally a well run team, their fans know to expect decent product on the field most seasons. As much as I enjoy crapping on them.

[Cactus Jack]

Kidding aside Seahawks are generally a well run team, their fans know to expect decent product on the field most seasons. As much I enjoy crapping on them.

A compliment? X-mas really must be around the corner.

[El Turco]

Dont get used to it, it is easier to compliment when they are not a threat


Yeah Merry Christmas, also to all the other dickbags here

[bluejerseyjinx]

Glad I'm not a dickbag.

[El Turco]

Glad I'm not a dickbag.

dickpouch?

[bluejerseyjinx]

Glad I'm not a dickbag.

dickpouch?

[goober]

Championship or bust mentality is the most annoying mentality in all of sports to me, it lacks so much nuance

[Mr B]

So Bucs over Eagles*, Seahawks? Commanders over Ravens, Colts, Dolphins?

Bit more different once you put a name on incompetence, even most Central Floridians dont want to be a Bucs fan.

If I was a Bucs fan and I was I old enough to enjoy that SB win, absolutely give me that over getting to a SB and losing. I don’t see how anyone would prefer to lose than win (if that’s our choices).

[goober]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

[Mariner]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

From year to year fine. Losing in the SB can mean that a team is progressing towards that goal.
But when evaluating two franchises history the team with more championships is the more successful.
I’m actually perplexed this is even debatable.

[goober]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

From year to year fine. Losing in the SB can mean that a team is progressing towards that goal.
But when evaluating two franchises history the team with more championships is the more successful.
I’m actually perplexed this is even debatable.

Again, total number doesn’t tell the whole story. How long has a team been in the league? When were the championships won? There’s so much more that adds nuance to the conversation.

[Mariner]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

From year to year fine. Losing in the SB can mean that a team is progressing towards that goal.
But when evaluating two franchises history the team with more championships is the more successful.
I’m actually perplexed this is even debatable.

Again, total number doesn’t tell the whole story. How long has a team been in the league? When were the championships won? There’s so much more that adds nuance to the conversation.

Well how long a team has been in the league is relevant. That is true. The lions zero looks a lot worse then the lions zero.

[Cactus Jack]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

From year to year fine. Losing in the SB can mean that a team is progressing towards that goal.
But when evaluating two franchises history the team with more championships is the more successful.
I’m actually perplexed this is even debatable.

Winning Super Bowls is great. But I think overall consistency & winning year to year is better in the long run if you're a fan. Take the Raiders for instance, a team that has won multiple SB's, but have also been mostly terrible for a 20-year period.

I think most fans would prefer to be competitive every year.

If I had a choice between making the playoffs every year and winning just one Super Bowl vs. rarely competing and winning two, I would choose being competitive every year. Because as a fan, it sucks when your team is terrible. Really the only hope you have is the draft at that point.

[Mariner]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

From year to year fine. Losing in the SB can mean that a team is progressing towards that goal.
But when evaluating two franchises history the team with more championships is the more successful.
I’m actually perplexed this is even debatable.

Winning Super Bowls is great. But I think overall consistency & winning is better in the long run if you're a fan. Take the Raiders for instance, a team that has won multiple SB's, but have also been mostly terrible for a 20-year period.

If I had a choice between making the playoffs every year and winning 1 Super Bowl vs. rarely competing and winning 2 Super Bowls, I would choose being competitive every year. Because as a fan, it sucks when your team is terrible.

Well we are all entitled to our opinions.
For me when your team wins it all there’s no better feeling in sports and everything else is just a disappointment.

[Mr B]

Clearly everyone would prefer to win in the super bowl rather than lose in the super bowl, but this mentality that losing in the divisional round is the same as losing in the super bowl is complete wrong and foolish. The mentality of a season being a failure just because you didn’t win the super bowl is also foolish and wrong. There are layers to success, clearly the ultimate goal is the super bowl, but it’s difficult to go from being a losing team one season, to winning the super bowl the next. Success and not winning a championship are not mutually exclusive

[El Turco]

So Bucs over Eagles*, Seahawks? Commanders over Ravens, Colts, Dolphins?

Bit more different once you put a name on incompetence, even most Central Floridians dont want to be a Bucs fan.

If I was a Bucs fan and I was I old enough to enjoy that SB win, absolutely give me that over getting to a SB and losing. I don’t see how anyone would prefer to lose than win (if that’s our choices).

huh? I think you are very confused by the choices, it is either prolonged incompetence with a super bowl (i.e bucs) or having a good team most of the way with less super bowls (i.e seahawks, eagles etc. ), no one is talking about losing in super bowl vs. winning in super bowl obviously.

if you think winning is better than losing then I assume you think winning in divisional round is better than losing in divisional round

[El Turco]

Unless it is from my hometown, there is no way I can support a franchise that's badly run year in and year out, no matter if they fall ass backwards on to a title or two. Imagine being a Marlins fan, it is just ownership taking advantage of the fact that they will earn money no matter they try to build a good team or not, just disrespectful to whole idea of fandom.

It is also particularly dumb to have the "title or i hate my life mentality" in sports that have single elimination, you can have the best team in the world and still fall short if things dont line up for you for one game. People dont understand how much luck is involved in getting 3-4 wins in a row without tripping, you just gotta hope your team puts itself in a position to get there.

[Mariner]

Unless it is from my hometown, there is no way I can support a franchise that's badly run year in and year out, no matter if they fall ass backwards on to a title or two. Imagine being a Marlins fan, it is just ownership taking advantage of the fact that they will earn money no matter they try to build a good team or not, just disrespectful to whole idea of fandom.

It is also particularly dumb to have the "title or i hate my life mentality" in sports that have single elimination, you can have the best team in the world and still fall short if things dont line up for you for one game. People dont understand how much luck is involved in getting 3-4 wins in a row without tripping, you just gotta hope your team puts itself in a position to get there.

So I’m assuming by your post that when the cowboys lose in the playoffs this year that i should still be proud of my team? Three double digit win seasons and the playoffs in a row? For me absolutely not.
In the present, a team like the Texans can be happy. It was a good season with progress made towards the ultimate goal. But if in 10 years from now we look back and see that they never won a SB then it was all for nothing and must be considered a failure.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Unless it is from my hometown, there is no way I can support a franchise that's badly run year in and year out, no matter if they fall ass backwards on to a title or two. Imagine being a Marlins fan, it is just ownership taking advantage of the fact that they will earn money no matter they try to build a good team or not, just disrespectful to whole idea of fandom.

It is also particularly dumb to have the "title or i hate my life mentality" in sports that have single elimination, you can have the best team in the world and still fall short if things dont line up for you for one game. People dont understand how much luck is involved in getting 3-4 wins in a row without tripping, you just gotta hope your team puts itself in a position to get there.

So I’m assuming by your post that when the cowboys lose in the playoffs this year that i should still be proud of my team? Three double digit win seasons and the playoffs in a row? For me absolutely not.
In the present, a team like the Texans can be happy. It was a good season with progress made towards the ultimate goal. But if in 10 years from now we look back and see that they never won a SB then it was all for nothing and must be considered a failure.

When Jerry is your owner, Mike McCarthy is your head coach and Prescott is your QB, its not hard to see and figure out you can only go so far despite the incredible talent you get from time to time.