2024 Packers News, Transactions, Trades - Week 1 in Brasil v. Iggles

Post #481 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:26 pm

Has he ever had awful teams? They always have quality at the skill positions and for 20 years they've had stars along the front seven.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #482 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:38 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Has he ever had awful teams? They always have quality at the skill positions and for 20 years they've had stars along the front seven.

No I don't think the Steelers have had awful talent but between the corpse of old Big Ben to the variety of trash QBs since I don't look at Pittsburgh as having underachieved the past 5+ years. They've done about as well as I would expect.

If there is a thing you could somewhat 'blame' Tomlin for it's as a vet coach I'm sure he hasn't wanted to totally rebuild. But I'm not sure anyone in the organization wanted that.

Probably time for a change but to say Tomlins time there wasn't a success is crazy to me.

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #483 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:42 pm

skones wrote:RE: Tomlin, he's a legacy. I don't want a HC who's had to relinquish his play-calling responsibilities. Surefire sign that the game has passed you by to an extent. At this point, he's there because he's an excellent manager and has set the tone for a culture.

If I were a trash franchise I'd absolutely hire Tomlin. You can be very successful with a CEO like head coach as long as they hire good assistants to handle the tactical aspects. Id rather have that as a head coach then some genius playcaller who's a d-bag who everyone hates.

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Post #484 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:54 pm

Assuming we need a new DC there are 2 ways to go about it. Try to find someone with DC experience who was successful (guys like that who are available are rare). Or a rising position coach who is ready to make the move to DC.

As for the experienced DC, that's exactly what Joe Barry was. But he sucked at it. He was first hired as a DC in Detroit by Rod Marinelli, HIS FATHER IN LAW. Later he was hired in Washington by Jay Gruden and then fired after just one season. But good friend MLF made him the DC anyway.

So who's out there with good DC experience? I'm struggling to find any. Brandon Staley had a good year as the Rams DC, which got him the Chargers gig. If Saleh is fired he would be a good hire even though he's an MLF buddy. But I think he gets one full year with AR. If Tomlin moves on their DC, Teryl Austin would be available. I don't know much about him. There is some talk about Vrabel maybe moving on to NE if there's an opening there. The Titans DC is Shane Bowen. If the Raiders start fresh, Patrick Graham is their DC. Ron Rivera likely out in Washington but I doubt he goes back to being a DC. Wink Martindale may be available.

As far as position coaches one name I hear is Al Harris. Former Packer player, currently coaching DB in Dallas.

And of course Jim Leonhard. Supposedly he turned down the DC job in GB before Barry was hired (I don't know if that's been confirmed). He was angling for the UW head coaching gig. Now that he didn't get it maybe he'd be receptive to the Packers. Or maybe he wants a college HC gig.

Post #485 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:09 pm

Truly cursed that a week after Devito wins NFC offensive POTW, Baker Mayfield gets it.

Ron Swanson · Post #486 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:09 pm

Big Ben was a "corpse" while making 4x Pro Bowls and leading the league in passing twice during that stretch we're talking about? Again, I'm not saying Tomlin's a bad coach (whether his style/scheme is outdated is a separate discussion), but the amount of excuses being thrown around to justify his playoff "shortcomings" compared to MLF is weird.

Post #487 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:19 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Assuming we need a new DC there are 2 ways to go about it. Try to find someone with DC experience who was successful (guys like that who are available are rare). Or a rising position coach who is ready to make the move to DC.

As for the experienced DC, that's exactly what Joe Barry was. But he sucked at it. He was first hired as a DC in Detroit by Rod Marinelli, HIS FATHER IN LAW. Later he was hired in Washington by Jay Gruden and then fired after just one season. But good friend MLF made him the DC anyway.

So who's out there with good DC experience? I'm struggling to find any. Brandon Staley had a good year as the Rams DC, which got him the Chargers gig. If Saleh is fired he would be a good hire even though he's an MLF buddy. But I think he gets one full year with AR. If Tomlin moves on their DC, Teryl Austin would be available. I don't know much about him. There is some talk about Vrabel maybe moving on to NE if there's an opening there. The Titans DC is Shane Bowen. If the Raiders start fresh, Patrick Graham is their DC. Ron Rivera likely out in Washington but I doubt he goes back to being a DC. Wink Martindale may be available.

As far as position coaches one name I hear is Al Harris. Former Packer player, currently coaching DB in Dallas.

And of course Jim Leonhard. Supposedly he turned down the DC job in GB before Barry was hired (I don't know if that's been confirmed). He was angling for the UW head coaching gig. Now that he didn't get it maybe he'd be receptive to the Packers. Or maybe he wants a college HC gig.

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #488 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Big Ben was a "corpse" while making 4x Pro Bowls and leading the league in passing twice during that stretch we're talking about? Again, I'm not saying Tomlin's a bad coach (whether his style/scheme is outdated is a separate discussion), but the amount of excuses being thrown around to justify his playoff "shortcomings" compared to MLF is weird.

I was just referring to the real corpse last couple years.

As far as the years after they last won the SB and before Ben's body fell apart I guess he might deserve some heat but I don't remember the specifics of those years well enough to have much of an opinion. But if he was to blame they should have fired him 5 years ago or whatever. I don't think MLF is a bad coach who should be fired either. Or a guy like Shannahan who's also had his fair share of playoff disappointment.

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M-C-G · Post #489 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:17 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Assuming we need a new DC there are 2 ways to go about it. Try to find someone with DC experience who was successful (guys like that who are available are rare). Or a rising position coach who is ready to make the move to DC.

As for the experienced DC, that's exactly what Joe Barry was. But he sucked at it. He was first hired as a DC in Detroit by Rod Marinelli, HIS FATHER IN LAW. Later he was hired in Washington by Jay Gruden and then fired after just one season. But good friend MLF made him the DC anyway.

So who's out there with good DC experience? I'm struggling to find any. Brandon Staley had a good year as the Rams DC, which got him the Chargers gig. If Saleh is fired he would be a good hire even though he's an MLF buddy. But I think he gets one full year with AR. If Tomlin moves on their DC, Teryl Austin would be available. I don't know much about him. There is some talk about Vrabel maybe moving on to NE if there's an opening there. The Titans DC is Shane Bowen. If the Raiders start fresh, Patrick Graham is their DC. Ron Rivera likely out in Washington but I doubt he goes back to being a DC. Wink Martindale may be available.

As far as position coaches one name I hear is Al Harris. Former Packer player, currently coaching DB in Dallas.

And of course Jim Leonhard. Supposedly he turned down the DC job in GB before Barry was hired (I don't know if that's been confirmed). He was angling for the UW head coaching gig. Now that he didn't get it maybe he'd be receptive to the Packers. Or maybe he wants a college HC gig.

What is Rex Ryan’s brother ( Rob?) up to? That would be fine, otherwise get someone from that Cleveland staff. They had loads of under/misused pieces on that defense and now they are maybe the best in the league.

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Profound23 · Post #490 » by **Profound23** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:32 am

If you haven't seen the Reggie 30 for 30 yet, watch it.

MVP2110 · Post #491 » by **MVP2110** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:38 am

Profound23 wrote:If you haven't seen the Reggie 30 for 30 yet, watch it.

Agreed, it's incredible

chonestown · Post #492 » by **chonestown** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:57 am

MVP2110 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:If you haven't seen the Reggie 30 for 30 yet, watch it.

Agreed, it's incredible

All of the video from the last interview - the one where he's wearing the Jim Brown jersey - is must watch. A tragedy that Reggie could not travel further on his earthly journey.

He was doing the work.

I re-routed my HS track training run to swing by the old Oneida St practice field to get an early glimpse of Reg at spring prac. That early 90s footage hits like a damn truck to me.

New Lambeau is beautiful, but I got a trailer full of memories tied up in the old corrugated siding stadium sitting in a neighborhood of dudes I went to high school with. Current situation looks like Gatlinburg north. Organization is now a real estate holding company that holds a dozen or so athletic contests a year. I get it, but don't mean I like it.

Post #493 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:27 am

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coolhandluke121 · Post #494 » by **coolhandluke121** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:43 am

Without looking it up, I don't know who accounts for the other 2% other than Deguara, so I'm going to guess the new guy whose name I don't recall, even though I don't know how long he's been in the league.

Okay, I just looked it up and it's all Deguara. Melton was drafted in 2022.

ReginaldDwight · Post #495 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 1:49 am

No Jimmy please.

Treebeard · Post #496 » by **Treebeard** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 3:50 pm

I don't know where to post this, so here it is.... A breakdown of several bad defensive plays (with video and stills) from both the Giants and Bucs games (per Rich Madrid - Acmepacking)
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/12/22/24012569/green-bay-packers-film-room-situational-defense-in-the-losses-to-the-giants-and-buccaneers-joe-barry

CWoodfan · Post #497 » by **CWoodfan** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:06 am

Hard to believe the Packer defense could look any worse ... but here we are.

If/when they finally fire Barry ... the blame for this D's pathetic performance should be blamed on MLF not Joe.

M-C-G · Post #498 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:32 am

CWoodfan wrote:Hard to believe the Packer defense could look any worse ... but here we are.

If/when they finally fire Barry ... the blame for this D's pathetic performance should be blamed on MLF not Joe.

I do think MLF has no excuses or wiggle room left. Wouldn’t be shocked if he doesn’t get a choice of the next coordinator and if we were smart it should be someone that we would be ok promoting to head coach in case we need to let MLF go in season

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MVP2110 · Post #499 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:45 am

Could be something, could be nothing

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Treebeard · Post #500 » by **Treebeard** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:52 am

^^^ might just be a christmas travel thing too