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Post#321 » by KyRo23 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:29 pm

JN61 wrote:Well it doesn't take much to pad stats in today's league but the impact to winning is clearly not there. And that is frankly more important than stats these days.


Then who is winning?

In the last 3 years LA has a championship and a WCF appearance. That’s about the best any team has done in 3 years, no? Nuggets have done that as well, maybe Boston? Miami hasn’t won any but 2 finals. Seems okay to me
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Post#322 » by firedavidkahn » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:32 pm

JN61 wrote:Well it doesn't take much to pad stats in today's league but the impact to winning is clearly not there. And that is frankly more important than stats these days.

Good lord, the pure hate is unreal. Dude is averaging 26 ppg on 54%/41%/74% along with 8 rebounds, 7 assist and 1.5 steals per game, has a PER of 25.3, TS% of 64%, a BPM of 8.9 (!!!) and you say he has no impact? :lol: :lol:

I just don't get the blind hate for the results he brings. You can dislike him for a myriad of reasons, but to deny how good he is on the court? :lol: :lol:
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Post#323 » by firedavidkahn » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:34 pm

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JN61 wrote:Well it doesn't take much to pad stats in today's league but the impact to winning is clearly not there. And that is frankly more important than stats these days.


Then who is winning?

In the last 3 years LA has a championship and a WCF appearance. That’s about the best any team has done in 3 years, no? Nuggets have done that as well, maybe Boston? Miami hasn’t won any but 2 finals. Seems okay to me

This.

Remember all the hype for Kawhi and PG, remember this gem of the commercial? "This is his city"



Turns out old man LBJ has had a ton more success in "Kawhi's city" :lol:
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Re: How Is LeBron Playing At Such A High Level? Unreal... 

Post#324 » by KyRo23 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:37 pm

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JN61 wrote:Well it doesn't take much to pad stats in today's league but the impact to winning is clearly not there. And that is frankly more important than stats these days.


Then who is winning?

In the last 3 years LA has a championship and a WCF appearance. That’s about the best any team has done in 3 years, no? Nuggets have done that as well, maybe Boston? Miami hasn’t won any but 2 finals. Seems okay to me

This.

Remember all the hype for Kawhi and PG, remember this gem of the commercial? "This is his city"



Turns out old man LBJ has had a ton more success in "Kawhi's city" :lol:


It’s just such an easy argument to disprove. Only one team wins a year. So you can easily discredit every other player because they aren’t “winning”

Kobe in 06, who cares, wasn’t winning

Luka this year, I guess not winning… total waste of a season!

What KD and Curry are doing this year at 35. They’re technically not winning I guess? Means nothing

I could go on for the next hour honestly :lol:
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Re: How Is LeBron Playing At Such A High Level? Unreal... 

Post#325 » by boomershadow » Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:38 pm

Let me first say that I think what Lebron is doing is absolutely unquestionably awesome to play like he is at his age.

One thing we dont talk about enough is how nerfed defenses have been in the last decade and how it lets star players from the past keep putting up numbers. 2013 Lebron had to play against the Thibs/Noah/Deng/Butler defense and the Vogel/Hibbert/PG defense. How many awesome defenses are there even today to stop him?
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Post#326 » by Airmiess » Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:42 pm

When I see the way LeBron is scoring, I gotta say there’s nothing there that indicates that hes doing it against “nerfed” defenses or that hes stat padding.
Running up and down 90 feet but still having the stamina to make contested 27 footers with a hand in face or being a 40 year old and still having the first step needed to blow by guys half his age is not something I would ever look to marginalize in an attempt to rationalize something I can’t fathom.
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Post#327 » by Cavsfansince84 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:05 am

boomershadow wrote:Let me first say that I think what Lebron is doing is absolutely unquestionably awesome to play like he is at his age.

One thing we dont talk about enough is how nerfed defenses have been in the last decade and how it lets star players from the past keep putting up numbers. 2013 Lebron had to play against the Thibs/Noah/Deng/Butler defense and the Vogel/Hibbert/PG defense. How many awesome defenses are there even today to stop him?


I don't think defenses are nerfed so much as dribbling/traveling rules are lax and spacing is on another level now compared to 10 years ago. Defenses just can't do much about it.
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Post#328 » by One_and_Done » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:03 am

He's the GOAT. Nothing more to say.
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Post#329 » by JN61 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 11:56 am

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JN61 wrote:Well it doesn't take much to pad stats in today's league but the impact to winning is clearly not there. And that is frankly more important than stats these days.


Then who is winning?

In the last 3 years LA has a championship and a WCF appearance. That’s about the best any team has done in 3 years, no? Nuggets have done that as well, maybe Boston? Miami hasn’t won any but 2 finals. Seems okay to me

Living in the past glory? How typical.
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Post#330 » by walk with me » Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:29 pm

NyKnicks1714 wrote:I believe this is what the kids these days refer to as "copium".


Peds is copium?

Do you know how silly that is? Just cause he hasn’t been caught doesnt mean he can’t be using… denying he “may” be using peds is copium.

Assuming he is would just be a smart and obvious observation
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Post#331 » by KyRo23 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:08 pm

JN61 wrote:
KyRo23 wrote:
JN61 wrote:Well it doesn't take much to pad stats in today's league but the impact to winning is clearly not there. And that is frankly more important than stats these days.


Then who is winning?

In the last 3 years LA has a championship and a WCF appearance. That’s about the best any team has done in 3 years, no? Nuggets have done that as well, maybe Boston? Miami hasn’t won any but 2 finals. Seems okay to me

Living in the past glory? How typical.


Last year is living in the past? Again if LA isn’t winning then who is?
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Post#332 » by The4thHorseman » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:27 pm

KyRo23 wrote:
JN61 wrote:
KyRo23 wrote:
Then who is winning?

In the last 3 years LA has a championship and a WCF appearance. That’s about the best any team has done in 3 years, no? Nuggets have done that as well, maybe Boston? Miami hasn’t won any but 2 finals. Seems okay to me

Living in the past glory? How typical.


Last year is living in the past? Again if LA isn’t winning then who is?

It's definitely not his boy KD that's winning.
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Post#333 » by Iwasawitness » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:31 pm

walk with me wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:I believe this is what the kids these days refer to as "copium".


Peds is copium?

Do you know how silly that is? Just cause he hasn’t been caught doesnt mean he can’t be using… denying he “may” be using peds is copium.

Assuming he is would just be a smart and obvious observation


Assuming something with absolutely no evidence or anything substantial to go off of isn’t smart at all… I don’t know who told you that but they are horribly misleading you.
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Post#334 » by KyRo23 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:41 pm

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JN61 wrote:Living in the past glory? How typical.


Last year is living in the past? Again if LA isn’t winning then who is?

It's definitely not his boy KD that's winning.


He’s a KD guy? Jesus these dudes have no shame. Not even worth it :lol:
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Post#335 » by Heej » Mon Dec 25, 2023 2:55 pm

Getting into my 30s and playing with younger cats I think giga IQ guys like Bron, Steph, and CP basically have faint precognition at this point as far as knowing when someone's going to make a move and what direction they wanna go, and often exactly what move it's about to be cuz they've seen it all.

Even watching Miami LeBron film the amount of wasted movement in everything he does compared to now is absolutely insane. I'm sure going back to 2015 Steph a GSW fan will say the same thing. As long as these guys can keep their bodies up to par, their brains have basically transcended and can keep them one step ahead mentally even if they're a step or two behind physically.

Really good PEDs that help with recovery and strength retention should be able to play a role as well, but no one else in the top 20 other than maybe Kobe Mike and Kareem has a work ethic like the current Old Man Trio
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Post#336 » by Crunch 99 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:26 pm

Heej wrote:Getting into my 30s and playing with younger cats I think giga IQ guys like Bron, Steph, and CP basically have faint precognition at this point as far as knowing when someone's going to make a move and what direction they wanna go, and often exactly what move it's about to be cuz they've seen it all.

Even watching Miami LeBron film the amount of wasted movement in everything he does compared to now is absolutely insane. I'm sure going back to 2015 Steph a GSW fan will say the same thing. As long as these guys can keep their bodies up to par, their brains have basically transcended and can keep them one step ahead mentally even if they're a step or two behind physically.

Really good PEDs that help with recovery and strength retention should be able to play a role as well, but no one else in the top 20 other than maybe Kobe Mike and Kareem has a work ethic like the current Old Man Trio


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Post#337 » by HMFFL » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:30 pm

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Serious question: what's it like being a Lakers fan who hates his team's best player? (who brought you a ring also)

Do you ever kinda laugh about it? Or are you too mad to even care?
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Post#338 » by Rust_Cohle » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:35 pm

Young gun 6 wrote:MJ fan's will never admit it but his longevity is a massive reason why he should be clearly the GOAT.


Jordan’s 6 rings, DPOY, and peaks say otherwise
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Post#339 » by Rust_Cohle » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:39 pm

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When Skip is doing this, you know LeBron is playing well


Skips not wrong though and lebron is playing well
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Post#340 » by JustBuzzin » Mon Dec 25, 2023 3:42 pm

One_and_Done wrote:He's the GOAT. Nothing more to say.

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