The Official Mike Conley Thread

[KGdaBom]

All of the above. When Sam went down the scenery fell down and the whole play got canceled. It wouldn’t have been that bad if the play reopened the next year. But of course it took 20 years to find the right cast and the play still hasn’t even happened yet. We are in the early preview stages. Worse, we are stacked with depth, but one of our most important actor’s doesn’t have a proper understudy. I know the show must go on, but we aren’t exactly the only game in town.

To stop torturing the metaphor, we can win as many regular season games as we like, but that means nothing without winning the WCF and getting some god damn glory. To do that we need a backup PG who can step in if Mike goes down. We have NAW backing up the Wings, Naz the bigs, but we have no one backing the PG and that simply isn’t going to work.

How about Mike not going down. Problem solved. It's not a guarantee that Mike goes down. It would be nice to have a high quality backup PG, but it's not an absolute necessity.

Hope for the best. Plan for the worst. Also next season we are basically stuck in cement with the cap. If you want to plan for the future you must do it now.

We only have so many resources to work with. Attempting to improve our backup PG is one thing we can do with no guarantee of getting it done. Standing pat might be the best idea. It sure has been working well so far.

[winforlose]

How about Mike not going down. Problem solved. It's not a guarantee that Mike goes down. It would be nice to have a high quality backup PG, but it's not an absolute necessity.

Hope for the best. Plan for the worst. Also next season we are basically stuck in cement with the cap. If you want to plan for the future you must do it now.

We only have so many resources to work with. Attempting to improve our backup PG is one thing we can do with no guarantee of getting it done. Standing pat might be the best idea. It sure has been working well so far.

So far Mike has been healthy, we are playing in the regular season, and we have had a huge number of rest advantage games. Wait till we have 10 back to backs in 2 months and Mike is getting worn down when we need him to start resting up for the playoffs. We both know how different things are in the playoffs. Unlike past years the regular season is not the focus. We are a playoff team and while seeding is important, we must not take our eyes off the prize.

[KGdaBom]

Hope for the best. Plan for the worst. Also next season we are basically stuck in cement with the cap. If you want to plan for the future you must do it now.

We only have so many resources to work with. Attempting to improve our backup PG is one thing we can do with no guarantee of getting it done. Standing pat might be the best idea. It sure has been working well so far.

So far Mike has been healthy, we are playing in the regular season, and we have had a huge number of rest advantage games. Wait till we have 10 back to backs in 2 months and Mike is getting worn down when we need him to start resting up for the playoffs. We both know how different things are in the playoffs. Unlike past years the regular season is not the focus. We are a playoff team and while seeding is important, we must not take our eyes off the prize.

I know you are hell bent on us trading for a point guard. We might already have the best possible option on our team in Milton.

[winforlose]

We only have so many resources to work with. Attempting to improve our backup PG is one thing we can do with no guarantee of getting it done. Standing pat might be the best idea. It sure has been working well so far.

So far Mike has been healthy, we are playing in the regular season, and we have had a huge number of rest advantage games. Wait till we have 10 back to backs in 2 months and Mike is getting worn down when we need him to start resting up for the playoffs. We both know how different things are in the playoffs. Unlike past years the regular season is not the focus. We are a playoff team and while seeding is important, we must not take our eyes off the prize.

I know you are hell bent on us trading for a point guard. We might already have the best possible option on our team in Milton.

Milton has had 28 games to get it going and failed 26 times. I would love it if he flipped a switch and became playable, but at this point I have more faith in Josh Minott making All NBA than Shake Milton being playable in the playoffs.

As for being hell bent on getting a PG, I am fine with a buyout PG if the right one is available. It is more than I am hell bent on having no more than one non shooter in the playoff rotation. That non shooter is Rudy.

Correction: I am also hell bent of having a PG of the future. Mike is going to be 37 next year and we must presume it is his last year of being starter quality Mike. We are also in a 2nd apron straight jacket next year, with no 9 plus million dollar moveable deals. Kyle is valuable, but he isn’t part of the core. This is the year to add another core piece, while we still can.

[KGdaBom]

So far Mike has been healthy, we are playing in the regular season, and we have had a huge number of rest advantage games. Wait till we have 10 back to backs in 2 months and Mike is getting worn down when we need him to start resting up for the playoffs. We both know how different things are in the playoffs. Unlike past years the regular season is not the focus. We are a playoff team and while seeding is important, we must not take our eyes off the prize.

I know you are hell bent on us trading for a point guard. We might already have the best possible option on our team in Milton.

Milton has had 28 games to get it going and failed 26 times. I would love it if he flipped a switch and became playable, but at this point I have more faith in Josh Minott making All NBA than Shake Milton being playable in the playoffs.

As for being hell bent on getting a PG, I am fine with a buyout PG if the right one is available. It is more than I am hell bent on having no more than one non shooter in the playoff rotation. That non shooter is Rudy.

Correction: I am also hell bent of having a PG of the future. Mike is going to be 37 next year and we must presume it is his last year of being starter quality Mike. We are also in a 2nd apron straight jacket next year, with no 9 plus million dollar moveable deals. Kyle is valuable, but he isn’t part of the core. This is the year to add another core piece, while we still can.

Shake had a full season with Philly last year and played great all year. I still see that in him. I'm not averse to acquiring Tyus or similar if we can. I just don't see this sky is falling situation with our backup PG that you do.

[winforlose]

I know you are hell bent on us trading for a point guard. We might already have the best possible option on our team in Milton.

Milton has had 28 games to get it going and failed 26 times. I would love it if he flipped a switch and became playable, but at this point I have more faith in Josh Minott making All NBA than Shake Milton being playable in the playoffs.

As for being hell bent on getting a PG, I am fine with a buyout PG if the right one is available. It is more than I am hell bent on having no more than one non shooter in the playoff rotation. That non shooter is Rudy.

Correction: I am also hell bent of having a PG of the future. Mike is going to be 37 next year and we must presume it is his last year of being starter quality Mike. We are also in a 2nd apron straight jacket next year, with no 9 plus million dollar moveable deals. Kyle is valuable, but he isn’t part of the core. This is the year to add another core piece, while we still can.

Shake had a full season with Philly last year and played great all year. I still see that in him. I'm not averse to acquiring Tyus or similar if we can. I just don't see this sky is falling situation with our backup PG that you do.

Shakes best AST/TO was last year at 3.2/1.2. Those numbers are good, but Mike is 6.3/1.2. Tyus is 5.4/0.8 and that is on a really bad team where shots are likely missed. You look at the Sac win on Saturday and in the fourth Ant was -5 and Mike was +6 in the fourth. I don’t trust Ant in any 4th quarter where the game is still in controversy. He wants hero ball too badly and without a legit PG he will scratch that itch. I also don’t trust Karl in the 4th for the same reason. Our offense works better and is much higher efficiency with a true PG on the floor. I don’t trust NAW or Shake to fill that role. SGs can play PG, but it is not the same. Just like SFs or PFs can play small ball 5 but it’s not the same. Having a weakness at PG in the playoffs is a movie I have seen before, and honestly, I didn’t like the ending the other times I saw it.

[KGdaBom]

Milton has had 28 games to get it going and failed 26 times. I would love it if he flipped a switch and became playable, but at this point I have more faith in Josh Minott making All NBA than Shake Milton being playable in the playoffs.

As for being hell bent on getting a PG, I am fine with a buyout PG if the right one is available. It is more than I am hell bent on having no more than one non shooter in the playoff rotation. That non shooter is Rudy.

Correction: I am also hell bent of having a PG of the future. Mike is going to be 37 next year and we must presume it is his last year of being starter quality Mike. We are also in a 2nd apron straight jacket next year, with no 9 plus million dollar moveable deals. Kyle is valuable, but he isn’t part of the core. This is the year to add another core piece, while we still can.

Shake had a full season with Philly last year and played great all year. I still see that in him. I'm not averse to acquiring Tyus or similar if we can. I just don't see this sky is falling situation with our backup PG that you do.

Shakes best AST/TO was last year at 3.2/1.2. Those numbers are good, but Mike is 6.3/1.2. Tyus is 5.4/0.8 and that is on a really bad team where shots are likely missed. You look at the Sac win on Saturday and in the fourth Ant was -5 and Mike was +6 in the fourth. I don’t trust Ant in any 4th quarter where the game is still in controversy. He wants hero ball too badly and without a legit PG he will scratch that itch. I also don’t trust Karl in the 4th for the same reason. Our offense works better and is much higher efficiency with a true PG on the floor. I don’t trust NAW or Shake to fill that role. SGs can play PG, but it is not the same. Just like SFs or PFs can play small ball 5 but it’s not the same. Having a weakness at PG in the playoffs is a movie I have seen before, and honestly, I didn’t like the ending the other times I saw it.

You are hell bent like I said. I doubt we do what you want us to do and I believe everything will work out just fine. I'm just fine with Ant and KAT in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters. Time will tell.

[winforlose]

Shake had a full season with Philly last year and played great all year. I still see that in him. I'm not averse to acquiring Tyus or similar if we can. I just don't see this sky is falling situation with our backup PG that you do.

Shakes best AST/TO was last year at 3.2/1.2. Those numbers are good, but Mike is 6.3/1.2. Tyus is 5.4/0.8 and that is on a really bad team where shots are likely missed. You look at the Sac win on Saturday and in the fourth Ant was -5 and Mike was +6 in the fourth. I don’t trust Ant in any 4th quarter where the game is still in controversy. He wants hero ball too badly and without a legit PG he will scratch that itch. I also don’t trust Karl in the 4th for the same reason. Our offense works better and is much higher efficiency with a true PG on the floor. I don’t trust NAW or Shake to fill that role. SGs can play PG, but it is not the same. Just like SFs or PFs can play small ball 5 but it’s not the same. Having a weakness at PG in the playoffs is a movie I have seen before, and honestly, I didn’t like the ending the other times I saw it.

You are hell bent like I said. I doubt we do what you want us to do and I believe everything will work out just fine. Time will tell.

I believe TC has a plan, and a backup plan, and a backup for that backup. But, I also believe that TC spoke to the new owners before the Gobert trade and explained that if we do that move things could very, very expensive. I believe TC had another conversion with the new owners before signing Ant, Naz, and MCD’s extensions explaining just how expensive things could get. You don’t make the moves we are making without eyes wide open and a clear game plan. I have little doubt we are a super tax team next year and the year after. With that in mind, the only way to be profitable is to be contending. Which means they will pay close attention to what is and is not working. Mike is working wonders. His numbers are strong in both basic and advanced stats. Kyle and Shake’s numbers are literally the worst on the team. They also happen to be the only two contracts with real money on them that are likely to move. Do I have a crystal ball, of course not. But is my logical seriously flawed, time will tell.

[KGdaBom]

Shakes best AST/TO was last year at 3.2/1.2. Those numbers are good, but Mike is 6.3/1.2. Tyus is 5.4/0.8 and that is on a really bad team where shots are likely missed. You look at the Sac win on Saturday and in the fourth Ant was -5 and Mike was +6 in the fourth. I don’t trust Ant in any 4th quarter where the game is still in controversy. He wants hero ball too badly and without a legit PG he will scratch that itch. I also don’t trust Karl in the 4th for the same reason. Our offense works better and is much higher efficiency with a true PG on the floor. I don’t trust NAW or Shake to fill that role. SGs can play PG, but it is not the same. Just like SFs or PFs can play small ball 5 but it’s not the same. Having a weakness at PG in the playoffs is a movie I have seen before, and honestly, I didn’t like the ending the other times I saw it.

You are hell bent like I said. I doubt we do what you want us to do and I believe everything will work out just fine. Time will tell.

I believe TC has a plan, and a backup plan, and a backup for that backup. But, I also believe that TC spoke to the new owners before the Gobert trade and explained that if we do that move things could very, very expensive. I believe TC had another conversion with the new owners before signing Ant, Naz, and MCD’s extensions explaining just how expensive things could get. You don’t make the moves we are making without eyes wide open and a clear game plan. I have little doubt we are a super tax team next year and the year after. With that in mind, the only way to be profitable is to be contending. Which means they will pay close attention to what is and is not working. Mike is working wonders. His numbers are strong in both basic and advanced stats. Kyle and Shake’s numbers are literally the worst on the team. They also happen to be the only two contracts with real money on them that are likely to move. Do I have a crystal ball, of course not. But is my logical seriously flawed, time will tell.

You missed my edit about being fine with Ant and KAT in all quarters. I'm not even saying your thinking has no merit, but you keep banging this drum over and over and over and over and over.................. I probably shouldn't discuss it with you because it just encourages you to keep banging the drum. So I'm out. You keep carrying the torch for acquiring another what you consider "True Point Guard"

[winforlose]

You are hell bent like I said. I doubt we do what you want us to do and I believe everything will work out just fine. Time will tell.

I believe TC has a plan, and a backup plan, and a backup for that backup. But, I also believe that TC spoke to the new owners before the Gobert trade and explained that if we do that move things could very, very expensive. I believe TC had another conversion with the new owners before signing Ant, Naz, and MCD’s extensions explaining just how expensive things could get. You don’t make the moves we are making without eyes wide open and a clear game plan. I have little doubt we are a super tax team next year and the year after. With that in mind, the only way to be profitable is to be contending. Which means they will pay close attention to what is and is not working. Mike is working wonders. His numbers are strong in both basic and advanced stats. Kyle and Shake’s numbers are literally the worst on the team. They also happen to be the only two contracts with real money on them that are likely to move. Do I have a crystal ball, of course not. But is my logical seriously flawed, time will tell.

You missed my edit about being fine with Ant and KAT in all quarters. I'm not even saying your thinking has no merit, but you keep banging this drum over and over and over and over and over.................. I probably shouldn't discuss it with you because it just encourages you to keep banging the drum. So I'm out. You keep carrying the torch for acquiring another what you consider "True Point Guard"

+6. -5. Check the 4th quarter game logs. You might find some interesting patterns. You are right that I beat the drum too much, but I don’t like how others ignore it altogether.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I'm okay with KAT Amd ANT in the 4th as they are our best weapon. But General Mike should be on the floor and carry the ball. IF ANT got the ball in hands too much, it may result in crazy shoot and costly TO. Let him focus on scoring and Mike to give the ball at the right person at the right time.

[winforlose]

I'm okay with KAT Amd ANT in the 4th as they are our best weapon. But General Mike should be on the floor and carry the ball. IF ANT got the ball in hands too much, it may result in crazy shoot and costly TO. Let him focus on scoring and Mike to give the ball at the right person at the right time.

This is my point. The numbers for KAT and Ant are always better with Mike on than off. They are weapons, but Mike aims them. Without a marksman directing them they can do as much damage to friendlies as hostiles.

[shrink]

Mike Conley is extension eligible, and the Wolves could offer him a deal today.

Would you do it, or wait until the end of the season?

If so, how much would you offer today?

[Danimals]

I think we need to keep him moving forward. Unless we strike gold on a draft pick, all other viable options for starting PG will be a serious downgrade.

I’d like to get him on a 3 year deal, ideally with the last year not guaranteed. I don’t think we will extend him. I think we will need to see what the cap is and what guaranteed money we have committed next year, then offer him every cent we can up to the 2nd apron.

All talk of $8-12 million a year sounds impossible. Just take a look at the contracts Paul and Lowry signed in 2021. Conley for anything under $15 would be a steal. We may very well have to go over the 2nd apron for one season.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Mike won't accept a low deal. He play well, take care of his body and on my opinion have 2 or 3 years left in the tank at this level. We may have to pay 15-18 Millions and a 2 + 1 contract make sense. Time will tell.

[shrink]

Does anyone know where I can find the active consecutive games leader board?

I thought I heard Michael Grady say that Mike was third on the list. I know he’s played every game since coming to Minnesota (56 straight). That might be his final number, because if you recall, we traded for him on the same day we played Utah, so he couldn’t play for either team until he completed a physical. If that game doesn’t count, he had played ten straight games for Utah before the trade, and 24 of the previous 25. If he plays tomorrow, I would consider that playing in 81 of 82 games, a full season missing only one game, and that makes me more comfortable about his future.

Conley himself has said that he’s unlikely to get hurt because he doesn’t take much contact any more. He doesn’t bang with bigs for rebounds, and he shoots a pull up rather than drive all the way to the hoop. He says his only contact at all these days is fighting through screens. Well, unless Chris Paul intentionally tries to roll into his legs again.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I totallly agree with you. Mike don;t go inside much as he do many ears ago. He conduct the game, take smart 3 and avoid lots of contact. That's why i convince he still have 2 good years in the tank.

[A1FromDay1]

Would love it if Rubio would get better mentally and make a comeback with us

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Would love it if Rubio would get better mentally and make a comeback with us

That's will be awesome but smmes very unlikely.

[moretins]

Today, I heard on a Spanish podcast that Ricky hasn't been involved in anything related to basketball for months. No one is betting a penny that he'll return to the NBA.