Knicks - Bucks PG: Merry Gritmas

[dakomish23]

No help at all but, thanks anyway.

Giannis shot 7/13 for 14 pts while being guarded by Randle. Way better than the 6/9 (13 pts) he shot vs Randle on Saturday and the 9/11 he shot vs Randle on Dec 5th (19 pts)

So he played better defense than usual against Giannis? Nothing worth mentioning honestly. 2 of those shots fall and it's the same as usual. Good for him.

Again, I am not even trashing Randle for his play this game. It's his playing style EVERY GAME that's irks me. He's lazy. Period. 99% of the time Randle is walking or standing around. Anyone can bring up the clips if they wanted to. Calling his defense this game as a reason not to criticize him is silly. It was nothing special.

I'm just giving you the numbers since you asked for it. Not defending his defense, I've been critical of it going back to last year's playoffs. In 20-21 he was an absolute beast on that end and since then he just stopped giving a damn most games. If I never saw the 20-21 season, I'd probably be less critical of it but I know the ability is there. I thought he should have been all nba defense that year

[Jalen Bluntson]

Giannis shot 7/13 for 14 pts while being guarded by Randle. Way better than the 6/9 (13 pts) he shot vs Randle on Saturday and the 9/11 he shot vs Randle on Dec 5th (19 pts)

So he played better defense than usual against Giannis? Nothing worth mentioning honestly. 2 of those shots fall and it's the same as usual. Good for him.

Again, I am not even trashing Randle for his play this game. It's his playing style EVERY GAME that's irks me. He's lazy. Period. 99% of the time Randle is walking or standing around. Anyone can bring up the clips if they wanted to. Calling his defense this game as a reason not to criticize him is silly. It was nothing special.

I'm just giving you the numbers since you asked for it. Not defending his defense, I've been critical of it going back to last year's playoffs. In 20-21 he was an absolute beast on that end and since then he just stopped giving a damn most games. If I never saw the 20-21 season, I'd probably be less critical of it but I know the ability is there. I thought he should have been all nba defense that year

Yeah...i was continuing the original discussion using your numbers. Not directing the post at you. I appreciate the numbers. I am not sure how you found them using a link to the box scores though. Thanks.

[K_ick_God]

I've read it all on here now. Now the Knicks are deliberately screwing themselves over over IQ's minutes, in a gambit to devalue him, even though both sides have already made offers. Yeah.

Yes, IQ has to feel that way. It's a logical conclusion for him to deduce when they were too far apart on the numbers.

I think the club doesn't want to pay him more than Brunson who is our # 1 player. It doesn't matter they got him on a bargain contract before he showed out as a big time player, but I think that's the numerical line in the sand IQ couldn't get past.

IQ disappeared in the playoffs. Ignore that at our peril.

[dakomish23]

I've read it all on here now. Now the Knicks are deliberately screwing themselves over over IQ's minutes, in a gambit to devalue him, even though both sides have already made offers. Yeah.

Yes, IQ has to feel that way. It's a logical conclusion for him to deduce when they were too far apart on the numbers.

I think the club doesn't want to pay him more than Brunson who is our # 1 player. It doesn't matter they got him on a bargain contract before he showed out as a big time player, but I think that's the numerical line in the sand IQ couldn't get past.

IQ disappeared in the playoffs. Ignore that at our peril.

He did miss the last 3 so we don't know if he could have gotten a hot streak going since he's shown that ability. But yeah, the numbers weren't pretty in the 8 he played

9.0 PPG 1.6 RPG 1.0 APG 0.5 SPG
34.8% on 8.3 FGA
24.3% on 4.6 3PA
85.0% on 2.5 FTA
41.7% EFG 48.1% TS

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[3toheadmelo]

Randle for KD is what you’re saying then?

Not really. I just hate watching him play. Even when he gets his stats and plays well in that respect. He doesn't run the floor. He doesn't rotate on defense. He doesn't leave his feet to block shots and is always late closing out, if he even bothers to. He is just lazy. Not even trying to say trade him.

I like this team. I know they aren't a real contender but, I enjoy them for the most part. RJs inconsistency, Randles laziness, Thibs coaching/rotations...all leave something's to be desired. Somehow they get wins. Ugly/sloppy a lot of the times but, winning.

I don't see the player that gets us over the hump becoming available any time soon either. That's what I hate about the FO plan. KD for Randle(or RJ) may appeal to some people but, it will never happen. I don't see anyone else on the horizon either. The only player I see is getting could be DM and he isn't making us any better than we are now IMO.

randle played some really good defense on greek yesterday.. odd that this is the thread you choose to bash him for being lazy in

Randle can’t win around here. Some people can’t help themselves and just bash him 24/7

[Jalen Bluntson]

Not really. I just hate watching him play. Even when he gets his stats and plays well in that respect. He doesn't run the floor. He doesn't rotate on defense. He doesn't leave his feet to block shots and is always late closing out, if he even bothers to. He is just lazy. Not even trying to say trade him.

I like this team. I know they aren't a real contender but, I enjoy them for the most part. RJs inconsistency, Randles laziness, Thibs coaching/rotations...all leave something's to be desired. Somehow they get wins. Ugly/sloppy a lot of the times but, winning.

I don't see the player that gets us over the hump becoming available any time soon either. That's what I hate about the FO plan. KD for Randle(or RJ) may appeal to some people but, it will never happen. I don't see anyone else on the horizon either. The only player I see is getting could be DM and he isn't making us any better than we are now IMO.

randle played some really good defense on greek yesterday.. odd that this is the thread you choose to bash him for being lazy in

Randle can’t win around here. Some people can’t help themselves and just bash him 24/7

I didn't bash him at all. Nothing I said about him was a lie either. Run back the games. Julius Randle walks up and down the court way more often than not. He doesn't close out. He doesn't leave his feet to block shots. He stands around or walks around every single game. It's a fact. Just like RJ is robotic... Julius is lazy.

[3toheadmelo]

randle played some really good defense on greek yesterday.. odd that this is the thread you choose to bash him for being lazy in

Randle can’t win around here. Some people can’t help themselves and just bash him 24/7

I didn't bash him at all. Nothing I said about him was a lie either. Run back the games. Julius Randle walks up and down the court way more often than not. He doesn't close out. He doesn't leave his feet to block shots. He stands around or walks around every single game. It's a fact. Just like RJ is robotic... Julius is lazy.

his defense was pretty good yesterday. especially on giannis. giannis started stat padding in the 4th when the game was already over. he deserves props for what he did on giannis.

[KnicksGadfly]

No help at all but, thanks anyway.

Giannis shot 7/13 for 14 pts while being guarded by Randle. Way better than the 6/9 (13 pts) he shot vs Randle on Saturday and the 9/11 he shot vs Randle on Dec 5th (19 pts)

So he played better defense than usual against Giannis? Nothing worth mentioning honestly. 2 of those shots fall and it's the same as usual. Good for him.

Again, I am not even trashing Randle for his play this game. It's his playing style EVERY GAME that's irks me. He's lazy. Period. 99% of the time Randle is walking or standing around. Anyone can bring up the clips if they wanted to. Calling his defense this game as a reason not to criticize him is silly. It was nothing special.

I think it's good to be happy with this and hope Randle builds on it. 14 points on 13 shots is actually pretty good, considering Giannis is an extremely efficient player. I'll take that any day. I'll take that level of aggression any day, especially against Giannis. And we got the win. It's also important to draw a distinction between effort and result. It might be that Giannis puts two more in the hoop and Randle plays good defense --- it should still be acknowledged if Randle is trying hard. Stars are gonna score on you; that's just what they do.

Randle does deserve props for the recent streak. He's been playing heavy minutes, and not only getting to the line, but the man is on a hot streak from the line. In the past 7 games, I think he's only missed 1 free throw. Thibs basically treated yesterday as a playoff game and threw Randle out there for 41 minutes, but to be fair, Giannis and Dame got 38. Both teams wanted it bad. It's a really good performance. He does deserve to be an all-star. Just hoping he can show this in the post-season.

[Chanel Bomber]

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I think the success of this 4-man lineup matches the eye test.

Brunson and IQ play well together. Brunson and Randle's skill sets complement each other quite well too. Hart serves as the cement and energizes them.

[thebuzzardman]

I think Thibs is manipulating the lineup to create confusion and lead to losses so he can eventually bring in 40 year old Jimmy Butler to save the franchise

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs has failed to properly develop RJ. To appease Randle.

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs was holding Mitch back so Mitch broke his own ankle out of spite

[jvsimonetti0514]

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I think the success of this 4-man lineup matches the eye test.

Brunson and IQ play well together. Brunson and Randle's skill sets complement each other quite well too. Hart serves as the cement and energizes them.

apparently IQ and Hart have the best net rating as a 2 man pair as well. Those two guys come in a wreck people. IQ with his nuclear scoring ability and off ball defense and hart with his hustle and rebounding. That's why I've been fiercely defending the hart contract. He's not going to put up huge scoring numbers but he just finds a way to make a bunch of big plays that help win games.

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs used to send pizza deliveries to Cam Reddish's house in the middle of the night

[rajajackal]

Randle can’t win around here. Some people can’t help themselves and just bash him 24/7

I didn't bash him at all. Nothing I said about him was a lie either. Run back the games. Julius Randle walks up and down the court way more often than not. He doesn't close out. He doesn't leave his feet to block shots. He stands around or walks around every single game. It's a fact. Just like RJ is robotic... Julius is lazy.

his defense was pretty good yesterday. especially on giannis. giannis started stat padding in the 4th when the game was already over. he deserves props for what he did on giannis.

i was impressed. i've seen randle be really annoyingly lazy or unaware on defense before, but yesterday he came to play on both sides of the ball imo

[rajajackal]

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I think the success of this 4-man lineup matches the eye test.

Brunson and IQ play well together. Brunson and Randle's skill sets complement each other quite well too. Hart serves as the cement and energizes them.

apparently IQ and Hart have the best net rating as a 2 man pair as well. Those two guys come in a wreck people. IQ with his nuclear scoring ability and off ball defense and hart with his hustle and rebounding. That's why I've been fiercely defending the hart contract. He's not going to put up huge scoring numbers but he just finds a way to make a bunch of big plays that help win games.

[Chanel Bomber]

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I think the success of this 4-man lineup matches the eye test.

Brunson and IQ play well together. Brunson and Randle's skill sets complement each other quite well too. Hart serves as the cement and energizes them.

apparently IQ and Hart have the best net rating as a 2 man pair as well. Those two guys come in a wreck people. IQ with his nuclear scoring ability and off ball defense and hart with his hustle and rebounding. That's why I've been fiercely defending the hart contract. He's not going to put up huge scoring numbers but he just finds a way to make a bunch of big plays that help win games.

I think that is partly enhanced by the fact that they both come off the bench so a significant chunk of their minutes comes against back-ups. Although it doesn't diminish their impact, to your point. And a lot of their minutes come against closing lineups so they're not playing just chumps, obviously.

What I find particularly interesting about the 4-man lineup data is that because Brunson and Randle are there you can safely assume none of these minutes come against just backups - at minimum staggered lineups plus (I presume) closing lineups.

I go back and forth on the Hart contract. I still don't know how I feel about it in a vacuum. He's one of the strangest players I have seen. A role player who doesn't shoot 3s and isn't a very good defender should be a liability. And at times he is. But he gives the team a pulse with his insane running in transition, his rebounding, his effort plays, and his off-ball movement. He gives them spirit. I mentioned Mitch earlier and forgot to correct myself to add Hart, but I think Mitch and Hart are the soul of that team.

[3toheadmelo]

I didn't bash him at all. Nothing I said about him was a lie either. Run back the games. Julius Randle walks up and down the court way more often than not. He doesn't close out. He doesn't leave his feet to block shots. He stands around or walks around every single game. It's a fact. Just like RJ is robotic... Julius is lazy.

his defense was pretty good yesterday. especially on giannis. giannis started stat padding in the 4th when the game was already over. he deserves props for what he did on giannis.

i was impressed. i've seen randle be really annoyingly lazy or unaware on defense before, but yesterday he came to play on both sides of the ball imo

Yeah hopefully he can keep it up. It seems lately he’s trying to give more effort on defense

[Im Coming Home]

Thibs was holding Mitch back so Mitch broke his own ankle out of spite

and out of spite to mitch, thibs sent him back in to do more damage to that ankle so that he was out for the season instead of 8 weeks.