Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[sam_I_am]

Utah still has to figure out how to open 5 roster spots. They probably can't, so we need to find like 4 other teams that will take them on and cut them. I don't see it happening.

Ainge loves 2nd rounders more than Brad. He would find a way. That isn't a big deal

I take back what I said earlier, I think they’d need to move Walsh as well. So six roster spots. It’s doable but a bit complicated. A bit easier since they have the TPE.

I would think we would have to find a third team with a 6 million dollar player to come into TPE for a pick and then send that player + three 2 million dollar players to Utah with picks. 2 of players would need to have non-guaranteed contracts like Svi and Kornet so Utah could cut them. Maybe Utah sends an end of bench player to the third team as well.

If that’s not doable then this doesn’t happen apart from a buyout.

[BK_2020]

Ainge loves 2nd rounders more than Brad. He would find a way. That isn't a big deal

I take back what I said earlier, I think they’d need to move Walsh as well. So six roster spots. It’s doable but a bit complicated. A bit easier since they have the TPE.

I would think we would have to find a third team with a 6 million dollar player to come into TPE for a pick and then send that player + three 2 million dollar players to Utah with picks. 2 of players would need to have non-guaranteed contracts like Svi and Kornet so Utah could cut them. Maybe Utah sends an end of bench player to the third team as well.

If that’s not doable then this doesn’t happen apart from a buyout.

So this costs some assets for that 6 million dollar player + assets for KO + assets for Utah to eat 6 million player plus 3 x 2 million players + assets for Utah to cut Samanic, Yurtseven and Kris Dunn (who is non-guaranteed) to make room for those 3 x 2 million players. A couple seconds for KO rental is acceptable but we are now talking multiple picks, possibly even firsts.

[RickyDizzle]

I take back what I said earlier, I think they’d need to move Walsh as well. So six roster spots. It’s doable but a bit complicated. A bit easier since they have the TPE.

I would think we would have to find a third team with a 6 million dollar player to come into TPE for a pick and then send that player + three 2 million dollar players to Utah with picks. 2 of players would need to have non-guaranteed contracts like Svi and Kornet so Utah could cut them. Maybe Utah sends an end of bench player to the third team as well.

If that’s not doable then this doesn’t happen apart from a buyout.

So this costs some assets for that 6 million dollar player + assets for KO + assets for Utah to eat 6 million player plus 3 x 2 million players + assets for Utah to cut Samanic, Yurtseven and Kris Dunn (who is non-guaranteed) to make room for those 3 x 2 million players. A couple seconds for KO rental is acceptable but we are now talking multiple picks, possibly even firsts.

Any player we get for the TPE can't be traded with other players for a while, I think 60 days. So given that we are less than that away from the trade deadline... the tpe player, if acquired would be here until the end of the season.

[greenbeans]

Maybe we can hold off on anointing Queta the Center of the Future and grab that extra big. After a good run against a bunch of 6'8 dudes, Queta played against some real bigs and looked horrible.

Not quite that down on him, but these minutes seemed like as much of a showcase to other teams as it was a crack at our rotation

[cl2117]

The way you manage the 6 for 1 trade is by takin 2-3 players back via the Grant ($6.2m) and Justin Jackson ($1.8m) TPEs. It all of a sudden turns into a 6 for 4 swap. Brad then probably converts a two-way and add a buyout guy and we're back to status quo, not even having touched the actual rotation.

If you actually did a 6 for 1 trade, the only guy who would be moving that has been here longer than this summer is Luke, so it's not as massive a shake-up as you'd think given that you're turning over 40% of the roster.

[Shak_Celts]

If we trade Walsh I’m rioting until we win 18, then I’ll tone it down to yelling!

I’m as adamant about his potential as i was about Giannis and Hali, but I’m not saying he’s going to be as good. I’m saying he’s going to be at least a really good 6th man.


Ok BS aside… KL is what I’m feeling!

[Shak_Celts]

Yo mama if brad trades walsh!

you know I aint staying quiet on dis one!

but seriously speaking, Boston traded D Bane. A Young talent for whatever reason. Look at how bad that turned out. Walsh is in his own way a young talented player. Can't trade him for a veteran rental. If they Do I riot!!

They traded the pick to dump Kanters contract. The bane pick was made for Memphis. So they didn’t actually trade Bane himself

Just looking at these and i feel the same way as player, RIOTING!

Yeah we probably weren’t picking bane but i was sure he’d be a player! I hurt on hali more than Giannis even though he’s generational, i was so in on hali and when he was slipping, i just knew it was meant to be!! I watched so much video on him, i think i was in love with him!

I was GUTTED! Like ainge let my heart slip away! I was never more right about a guy. I wanted Giannis to be as great as i thought, but i was also a Celtics fan, i wanted ko to be better!! Hali, i had no other feelings against the kings, i was just hurt that Danny didn’t move up.

We rebounded and we’re great regardless, but i think Hali is the perfect pg for the jays AND he would have grown with them.

[Hal14]

The way you manage the 6 for 1 trade is by takin 2-3 players back via the Grant ($6.2m) and Justin Jackson ($1.8m) TPEs. It all of a sudden turns into a 6 for 4 swap. Brad then probably converts a two-way and add a buyout guy and we're back to status quo, not even having touched the actual rotation.

If you actually did a 6 for 1 trade, the only guy who would be moving that has been here longer than this summer is Luke, so it's not as massive a shake-up as you'd think given that you're turning over 40% of the roster.

No team is turning over 40% of it's roster in the middle of the season when they currently have the highest odds to win the title.

[ConstableGeneva]

In theory, it can be done. Not sure that's the wisest thing to do for marginal upgrade to our 7th or 8th guy. Would a team in trajectory to win a title really want to introduce that big of a variable in the locker room? They still need to practice. They still need to integrate 5-6 new guys into their system. They still need to play when a couple of key guys can't go.

I haven't even heard of a 6-for-1 trade for an 8th or 9th guy in the middle of the season. There's a first for everything I guess.

Just trade for the best guy that fits into TPE. Get the best buyout guy available. Convert Queta into a standard contract. No need to get rid of guys like Banton, Kornet, and Brissett IMO.

[cl2117]

The way you manage the 6 for 1 trade is by takin 2-3 players back via the Grant ($6.2m) and Justin Jackson ($1.8m) TPEs. It all of a sudden turns into a 6 for 4 swap. Brad then probably converts a two-way and add a buyout guy and we're back to status quo, not even having touched the actual rotation.

If you actually did a 6 for 1 trade, the only guy who would be moving that has been here longer than this summer is Luke, so it's not as massive a shake-up as you'd think given that you're turning over 40% of the roster.

No team is turning over 40% of it's roster in the middle of the season when they currently have the highest odds to win the title.

It's 40% of the roster, but those guys only played 9% of our minutes (slightly more than Pritchard alone). Swapping them for a couple of better guys to fill those minutes makes a lot of sense given your core 8 rotation players all stay put. Again, apart from Luke, these guys have only been with the team since the summer (one guy who's been in Maine the whole time). It's not as big a locker-room shake-up as you'd think, especially if Brad ends up converting a guy or two, which means less new faces.

Olynyk alone would eat up all the minutes that those 6 guys left. Guys like Dunn, Fontecchio, Yurtseven are arguably all better/equal to the 6 guys we're sending out. From a talent/value perspective, it's a win (depending on draft compensation needed). I think that outweighs any benefit from continuity for the 9-15 guys on your roster.

If they're going to be truly aggressive they to address the bench they likely have to make a weird move like this to match salary.

[London2Boston]

Gotta keep Brissett. I enjoy his behind the scenes YouTube Videos.

What behind the scenes YouTube Videos?

His latest one. Check his channel for the others.

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

The way you manage the 6 for 1 trade is by takin 2-3 players back via the Grant ($6.2m) and Justin Jackson ($1.8m) TPEs. It all of a sudden turns into a 6 for 4 swap. Brad then probably converts a two-way and add a buyout guy and we're back to status quo, not even having touched the actual rotation.

If you actually did a 6 for 1 trade, the only guy who would be moving that has been here longer than this summer is Luke, so it's not as massive a shake-up as you'd think given that you're turning over 40% of the roster.

No team is turning over 40% of it's roster in the middle of the season when they currently have the highest odds to win the title.

It's 40% of the roster, but those guys only played 9% of our minutes (slightly more than Pritchard alone). Swapping them for a couple of better guys to fill those minutes makes a lot of sense given your core 8 rotation players all stay put. Again, apart from Luke, these guys have only been with the team since the summer (one guy who's been in Maine the whole time). It's not as big a locker-room shake-up as you'd think, especially if Brad ends up converting a guy or two, which means less new faces.

Olynyk alone would eat up all the minutes that those 6 guys left. Guys like Dunn, Fontecchio, Yurtseven are arguably all better/equal to the 6 guys we're sending out. From a talent/value perspective, it's a win (depending on draft compensation needed). I think that outweighs any benefit from continuity for the 9-15 guys on your roster.

If they're going to be truly aggressive they to address the bench they likely have to make a weird move like this to match salary.

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make.. (hint: they're pretty much all very minor moves, with most of the roster staying intact)

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Just curious, is Kris Dunn better than Banton? I'm not even much worried about our bench, and I like PP as much as the next guy, and he's fine during the regular season, but during a playoff series I expect him to be targeted regularly. I wouldn't mind an upgrade on defense, and I don't even know how good Dunn is. His stats look okay recently. I'm not suggesting we trade PP. I'm thinking more a Banton replacement if Dunn's better than him. Just more curious about a low cost defensively oriented alternative for if/when PP is getting targeted and abused.

First world problems.

[ConstableGeneva]

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I wouldn't mind him at all for the Grant TPE. Put him in if Sam's in a slump. I thought Svi would've been that btw. But so far, Svi has stunk in the limited minutes he's gotten apart from the Hornets game I think.

[165bows]

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I wouldn't mind him at all for the Grant TPE. Put him in if Sam's in a slump. I thought Svi would've been that btw. But so far, Svi has stunk in the limited minutes he's gotten apart from the Hornets game I think.

For sure under the radar guy. Not sure how his defense is.

[165bows]

No team is turning over 40% of it's roster in the middle of the season when they currently have the highest odds to win the title.

It's 40% of the roster, but those guys only played 9% of our minutes (slightly more than Pritchard alone). Swapping them for a couple of better guys to fill those minutes makes a lot of sense given your core 8 rotation players all stay put. Again, apart from Luke, these guys have only been with the team since the summer (one guy who's been in Maine the whole time). It's not as big a locker-room shake-up as you'd think, especially if Brad ends up converting a guy or two, which means less new faces.

Olynyk alone would eat up all the minutes that those 6 guys left. Guys like Dunn, Fontecchio, Yurtseven are arguably all better/equal to the 6 guys we're sending out. From a talent/value perspective, it's a win (depending on draft compensation needed). I think that outweighs any benefit from continuity for the 9-15 guys on your roster.

If they're going to be truly aggressive they to address the bench they likely have to make a weird move like this to match salary.

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make..

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

[snowman]

It's 40% of the roster, but those guys only played 9% of our minutes (slightly more than Pritchard alone). Swapping them for a couple of better guys to fill those minutes makes a lot of sense given your core 8 rotation players all stay put. Again, apart from Luke, these guys have only been with the team since the summer (one guy who's been in Maine the whole time). It's not as big a locker-room shake-up as you'd think, especially if Brad ends up converting a guy or two, which means less new faces.

Olynyk alone would eat up all the minutes that those 6 guys left. Guys like Dunn, Fontecchio, Yurtseven are arguably all better/equal to the 6 guys we're sending out. From a talent/value perspective, it's a win (depending on draft compensation needed). I think that outweighs any benefit from continuity for the 9-15 guys on your roster.

If they're going to be truly aggressive they to address the bench they likely have to make a weird move like this to match salary.

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make..

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

Guys, if we trade 5-6 guys for KO, then we would still have to sign 4-5 guys to fill those empty spots, which makes the move for KO cost twice as much considering the extra players, then add the tax on top of that an KO's 12 mil + salary ends up costing us 20 mil + just for a few back up minutes. Really, I feel this is nothing more than a smoke screen by Brad to throw everyone off the scent of the real target.

[cl2117]

It's 40% of the roster, but those guys only played 9% of our minutes (slightly more than Pritchard alone). Swapping them for a couple of better guys to fill those minutes makes a lot of sense given your core 8 rotation players all stay put. Again, apart from Luke, these guys have only been with the team since the summer (one guy who's been in Maine the whole time). It's not as big a locker-room shake-up as you'd think, especially if Brad ends up converting a guy or two, which means less new faces.

Olynyk alone would eat up all the minutes that those 6 guys left. Guys like Dunn, Fontecchio, Yurtseven are arguably all better/equal to the 6 guys we're sending out. From a talent/value perspective, it's a win (depending on draft compensation needed). I think that outweighs any benefit from continuity for the 9-15 guys on your roster.

If they're going to be truly aggressive they to address the bench they likely have to make a weird move like this to match salary.

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make..

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

And that '22 team then shook things up that summer by doing a 5 for 1 trade for Brogdon (which they would have done mid-season as well).

I just don't see it as a totally unrealistic premise to turn over the entire back-end of the roster to land a better 9th/10th players. Makes perfect sense if you can afford to pay to smooth out the mechanics of the deal.

[165bows]

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make..

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

And that '22 team then shook things up that summer by doing a 5 for 1 trade for Brogdon (which they would have done mid-season as well).

I just don't see it as a totally unrealistic premise to turn over the entire back-end of the roster to land a better 9th/10th players. Makes perfect sense if you can afford to pay to smooth out the mechanics of the deal.

A 6 for 1 deal is just a weird straw man. It would be 5/6 going out for anywhere from 2-4 guys coming back then a vet min or two signings. Pretending the conversation is otherwise is just odd.

Probably it doesn’t happen though it sounds like some MIN posters think Anderson could be a little more available so there’s that too.

[playa-hater]

I think the best 3-D player out there is or will be soon enough is Trey Murphy III. Very consistent. Doesn't need to ball much. Shoots near 50 + 45 from 2 and 3... N.O doesn't start him so maybe he can be had for a 1st and Grant TPE.. If he rotated with Tatum and Brown I would be pumped.