How Is LeBron Playing At Such A High Level? Unreal...

[NbaAllDay]

Wasted my time reading through mostly garbage.

Let's assume he is on PEDs (again no real proof) then most are too. Unless you believe he has some special secret access that others don't.

So if everyone is doing it, then it's the same as no one doing it and the argument just becomes mute.

[walk with me]

His lack of self awareness is stunning.

It’s dumb to ask for factual evidence for something that hasn’t been factually proven yet. If factual evidence existed the thread would be totally different.

Just because it hasn’t been “factually proven” doesn’t mean it’s not happening. There was a point when Armstrong, bonds, Sosa and McGuire weren’t “factually proven” as cheaters either yet they were cheating.


For you to dig your heels in on that shows that you’re not even willing to entertain the possibility of lebron being on peds which is just silly.

Edit: exactly why I asked the question I did before. In your world everyone who has never failed a drug test is innocent. A world that’s very naive or very bias for lebron being a clean athlete.

Didn’t read this reply, can someone let me know if he just repeated himself again and unintentionally dug himself into a deeper hole?

Just like you didn’t read all the stuff that makes it obvious that Lebron is on peds…. You’re very mature.

[walk with me]

His lack of self awareness is stunning.

It’s dumb to ask for factual evidence for something that hasn’t been factually proven yet. If factual evidence existed the thread would be totally different.

Just because it hasn’t been “factually proven” doesn’t mean it’s not happening. There was a point when Armstrong, bonds, Sosa and McGuire weren’t “factually proven” as cheaters either yet they were cheating.


For you to dig your heels in on that shows that you’re not even willing to entertain the possibility of lebron being on peds which is just silly.

Edit: exactly why I asked the question I did before. In your world everyone who has never failed a drug test is innocent. A world that’s very naive or very bias for lebron being a clean athlete.

Didn’t read this reply, can someone let me know if he just repeated himself again and unintentionally dug himself into a deeper hole?

Since you don’t like to read any of my replies and respond childishly watch this video. Maybe you’re like most young people today who prefer videos to reading.

Watch on YouTube

[GrandTheftRondo]

LeBron may or may not have done PEDs but that doesn’t explain the longevity.

Reality is he’s one of the GOAT athletes and as someone else said he’s that good athletically that even with a decline in athleticism he’s still better than plenty of NBA players.

He’s also one of the first but definitely won’t be the last to benefit from the NBA’s shift over the years in how players manage their diet, body etc to remain at their best for longer.

Kevin Durant tore his Achilles in his 30s. Previously this injury was basically a death sentence for an elite basketball player. He recovered and continues to be a top 10 talent at 35.

Sports science has figured out ways to have guys perform at an elite level for longer and it will only continue to increase.

Will we see someone be as good as LeBron at 38? Maybe not, but that probably speaks more to the fact that he’s a GOAT level player so even a decline in his game makes him still superior to plenty of younger guys.

LeBron is also the first ever NBA star that has had the luxury to be able to spend millions every year on looking after their body.

Previous eras there just wasn’t that understanding of how beneficial sports science can be.

[joedumars1]

He’s built like a mac truck

[walk with me]

LeBron may or may not have done PEDs but that doesn’t explain the longevity.

Reality is he’s one of the GOAT athletes and as someone else said he’s that good athletically that even with a decline in athleticism he’s still better than plenty of NBA players.

He’s also one of the first but definitely won’t be the last to benefit from the NBA’s shift over the years in how players manage their diet, body etc to remain at their best for longer.

Kevin Durant tore his Achilles in his 30s. Previously this injury was basically a death sentence for an elite basketball player. He recovered and continues to be a top 10 talent at 35.

Sports science has figured out ways to have guys perform at an elite level for longer and it will only continue to increase.

Will we see someone be as good as LeBron at 38? Maybe not, but that probably speaks more to the fact that he’s a GOAT level player so even a decline in his game makes him still superior to plenty of younger guys.

LeBron is also the first ever NBA star that has had the luxury to be able to spend millions every year on looking after their body.

Previous eras there just wasn’t that understanding of how beneficial sports science can be.

That does explain the longevity man lol…. I think the big disconnect on this topic is how much or how little you understand performance enhancing drugs.

I can’t explain to anyone how the drugs work scientifically. But as a huge huge huge boxing fan and mma fan I can explain to you what someone looks like who uses them. There are PEDs that can honestly help almost anything in sports. More aggression, more sheer strength, more explosiveness, more RECOVERY, more oxygenation to your muscle which helps stamina and endurance (where it would also help nba guys), repairing the breakdown of muscle loss as you age (an ability you lose with age), more focus (Ritalin for example is banned by world anti doping agency that handles Olympic testing and you need a therapeutic use exemption to use it during competition)

Ultimately if you think peds are the old school stuff that wwf wrestlers used to take to look like body builders, you have the wrong perception of how they work and how harmful they are to the body (both short and long term). Peds today are pretty safe to use, especially if you have access to the designer stuff and designer chemists like really good athletes probably do.

[GrandTheftRondo]

LeBron may or may not have done PEDs but that doesn’t explain the longevity.

Reality is he’s one of the GOAT athletes and as someone else said he’s that good athletically that even with a decline in athleticism he’s still better than plenty of NBA players.

He’s also one of the first but definitely won’t be the last to benefit from the NBA’s shift over the years in how players manage their diet, body etc to remain at their best for longer.

Kevin Durant tore his Achilles in his 30s. Previously this injury was basically a death sentence for an elite basketball player. He recovered and continues to be a top 10 talent at 35.

Sports science has figured out ways to have guys perform at an elite level for longer and it will only continue to increase.

Will we see someone be as good as LeBron at 38? Maybe not, but that probably speaks more to the fact that he’s a GOAT level player so even a decline in his game makes him still superior to plenty of younger guys.

LeBron is also the first ever NBA star that has had the luxury to be able to spend millions every year on looking after their body.

Previous eras there just wasn’t that understanding of how beneficial sports science can be.

That does explain the longevity man lol…. I think the big disconnect on this topic is how much or how little you understand performance enhancing drugs.

I can’t explain to anyone how the drugs work scientifically. But as a huge huge huge boxing fan and mma fan I can explain to you what someone looks like who uses them. There are PEDs that can honestly help almost anything in sports. More aggression, more sheer strength, more explosiveness, more RECOVERY, more oxygenation to your muscle which helps stamina and endurance (where it would also help nba guys), repairing the breakdown of muscle loss as you age (an ability you lose with age), more focus (Ritalin for example is banned by world anti doping agency that handles Olympic testing and you need a therapeutic use exemption to use it during competition)

Ultimately if you think peds are the old school stuff that wwf wrestlers used to take to look like body builders, you have the wrong perception of how they work and how harmful they are to the body (both short and long term). Peds today are pretty safe to use, especially if you have access to the designer stuff and designer chemists like really good athletes probably do.

Well to me if LeBron was doing PEDs he wouldn’t be the only one and we’d be seeing a heap of stars dominating well into their 30s.

[walk with me]

LeBron may or may not have done PEDs but that doesn’t explain the longevity.

Reality is he’s one of the GOAT athletes and as someone else said he’s that good athletically that even with a decline in athleticism he’s still better than plenty of NBA players.

He’s also one of the first but definitely won’t be the last to benefit from the NBA’s shift over the years in how players manage their diet, body etc to remain at their best for longer.

Kevin Durant tore his Achilles in his 30s. Previously this injury was basically a death sentence for an elite basketball player. He recovered and continues to be a top 10 talent at 35.

Sports science has figured out ways to have guys perform at an elite level for longer and it will only continue to increase.

Will we see someone be as good as LeBron at 38? Maybe not, but that probably speaks more to the fact that he’s a GOAT level player so even a decline in his game makes him still superior to plenty of younger guys.

LeBron is also the first ever NBA star that has had the luxury to be able to spend millions every year on looking after their body.

Previous eras there just wasn’t that understanding of how beneficial sports science can be.

That does explain the longevity man lol…. I think the big disconnect on this topic is how much or how little you understand performance enhancing drugs.

I can’t explain to anyone how the drugs work scientifically. But as a huge huge huge boxing fan and mma fan I can explain to you what someone looks like who uses them. There are PEDs that can honestly help almost anything in sports. More aggression, more sheer strength, more explosiveness, more RECOVERY, more oxygenation to your muscle which helps stamina and endurance (where it would also help nba guys), repairing the breakdown of muscle loss as you age (an ability you lose with age), more focus (Ritalin for example is banned by world anti doping agency that handles Olympic testing and you need a therapeutic use exemption to use it during competition)

Ultimately if you think peds are the old school stuff that wwf wrestlers used to take to look like body builders, you have the wrong perception of how they work and how harmful they are to the body (both short and long term). Peds today are pretty safe to use, especially if you have access to the designer stuff and designer chemists like really good athletes probably do.

Well to me if LeBron was doing PEDs he wouldn’t be the only one and we’d be seeing a heap of stars dominating well into their 30s.

So here’s another thing that I can explain to you but not on a scientific level…. How your body reacts to peds depends a lot on when you start. They can essentially stagger your aging process by like 5x by the point that you start but if you start when you’re already like 33-34-35. you’ll have longevity but it won’t be similar to what you had at 28 (if you started at 28). It also depends on what you’re working with. Say if Lebron James and Matthew delladova both started using peds at 30. The way it helps Lebron will obviously be more impactful than the way it would help delladova since Lebron is a better player.

I’ll give you 3 examples of guys im extremely confident use peds.

Chris Paul
Vince Carter
Al Horford
(Also Lebron)

These guys hit a certain part of their career where they just stopped deteriorating and were able to keep performing at a high level. The difference between these 4 though is Lebron is probably like 5x better than anyone on the list so his benefit will be greater than the other 3. Especially if he started earlier in his career (something I also believe. I think Lebron started using his last year in miami)

Lastly… I don’t think the nba has a ped era the way the MLB or WWF did, where majority of the league was using. It’s simply not in the culture of basketball to use. I think there are plenty of guys who do use but the reason we see guys fall off (Kemba, Blake, Deandre, Melo, Steve Nash, Amare, Tony Parker, Deron Williams, John Wall - just a few random all stars who kind of fell off randomly) is because they chose not to use.

For me personally there’s a list of for sure guys (the 3 I listed above) and then there’s a list of maybe guys (Steph, KD, Westbrook) then guys I seriously doubt use (harden, Kawhi, PG, Jimmy butler, Joker, Embiid, Giannis, Kyrie, Dame)

[EmpireFalls]

That does explain the longevity man lol…. I think the big disconnect on this topic is how much or how little you understand performance enhancing drugs.

I can’t explain to anyone how the drugs work scientifically. But as a huge huge huge boxing fan and mma fan I can explain to you what someone looks like who uses them. There are PEDs that can honestly help almost anything in sports. More aggression, more sheer strength, more explosiveness, more RECOVERY, more oxygenation to your muscle which helps stamina and endurance (where it would also help nba guys), repairing the breakdown of muscle loss as you age (an ability you lose with age), more focus (Ritalin for example is banned by world anti doping agency that handles Olympic testing and you need a therapeutic use exemption to use it during competition)

Ultimately if you think peds are the old school stuff that wwf wrestlers used to take to look like body builders, you have the wrong perception of how they work and how harmful they are to the body (both short and long term). Peds today are pretty safe to use, especially if you have access to the designer stuff and designer chemists like really good athletes probably do.

Well to me if LeBron was doing PEDs he wouldn’t be the only one and we’d be seeing a heap of stars dominating well into their 30s.

So here’s another thing that I can explain to you but not on a scientific level…. How your body reacts to peds depends a lot on when you start. They can essentially stagger your aging process by like 5x by the point that you start but if you start when you’re already like 33-34-35. you’ll have longevity but it won’t be similar to what you had at 28 (if you started at 28). It also depends on what you’re working with. Say if Lebron James and Matthew delladova both started using peds at 30. The way it helps Lebron will obviously be more impactful than the way it would help delladova since Lebron is a better player.

I’ll give you 3 examples of guys im extremely confident use peds.

Chris Paul
Vince Carter
Al Horford
(Also Lebron)

These guys hit a certain part of their career where they just stopped deteriorating and were able to keep performing at a high level. The difference between these 4 though is Lebron is probably like 5x better than anyone on the list so his benefit will be greater than the other 3. Especially if he started earlier in his career (something I also believe. I think Lebron started using his last year in miami)

Lastly… I don’t think the nba has a ped era the way the MLB or WWF did, where majority of the league was using. It’s simply not in the culture of basketball to use. I think there are plenty of guys who do use but the reason we see guys fall off (Kemba, Blake, Deandre, Melo, Steve Nash, Amare, Tony Parker, Deron Williams, John Wall - just a few random all stars who kind of fell off randomly) is because they chose not to use.

For me personally there’s a list of for sure guys (the 3 I listed above) and then there’s a list of maybe guys (Steph, KD, Westbrook) then guys I seriously doubt use (Jimmy butler, Joker, Embiid, Giannis, Kyrie, Dame)

I was with you until the last sentence and then I died laughing.

You seriously doubt GIANNIS ANTETOKOUMPO is using?

[walk with me]

Well to me if LeBron was doing PEDs he wouldn’t be the only one and we’d be seeing a heap of stars dominating well into their 30s.

So here’s another thing that I can explain to you but not on a scientific level…. How your body reacts to peds depends a lot on when you start. They can essentially stagger your aging process by like 5x by the point that you start but if you start when you’re already like 33-34-35. you’ll have longevity but it won’t be similar to what you had at 28 (if you started at 28). It also depends on what you’re working with. Say if Lebron James and Matthew delladova both started using peds at 30. The way it helps Lebron will obviously be more impactful than the way it would help delladova since Lebron is a better player.

I’ll give you 3 examples of guys im extremely confident use peds.

Chris Paul
Vince Carter
Al Horford
(Also Lebron)

These guys hit a certain part of their career where they just stopped deteriorating and were able to keep performing at a high level. The difference between these 4 though is Lebron is probably like 5x better than anyone on the list so his benefit will be greater than the other 3. Especially if he started earlier in his career (something I also believe. I think Lebron started using his last year in miami)

Lastly… I don’t think the nba has a ped era the way the MLB or WWF did, where majority of the league was using. It’s simply not in the culture of basketball to use. I think there are plenty of guys who do use but the reason we see guys fall off (Kemba, Blake, Deandre, Melo, Steve Nash, Amare, Tony Parker, Deron Williams, John Wall - just a few random all stars who kind of fell off randomly) is because they chose not to use.

For me personally there’s a list of for sure guys (the 3 I listed above) and then there’s a list of maybe guys (Steph, KD, Westbrook) then guys I seriously doubt use (Jimmy butler, Joker, Embiid, Giannis, Kyrie, Dame)

I was with you until the last sentence and then I died laughing.

You seriously doubt GIANNIS ANTETOKOUMPO is using?

Haha I’m not mad at that but Giannis is only 29. He’s still in the absolute prime of his career athletically. NBA primes are 26-30. He’s just a super freak the same way Lebron was at 28/29. If Giannis is playing this way at 32/33 with the same minute load then I’ll be extremely skeptical.

[Iwasawitness]

It’s dumb to ask for factual evidence for something that hasn’t been factually proven yet. If factual evidence existed the thread would be totally different.

Just because it hasn’t been “factually proven” doesn’t mean it’s not happening. There was a point when Armstrong, bonds, Sosa and McGuire weren’t “factually proven” as cheaters either yet they were cheating.


For you to dig your heels in on that shows that you’re not even willing to entertain the possibility of lebron being on peds which is just silly.

Edit: exactly why I asked the question I did before. In your world everyone who has never failed a drug test is innocent. A world that’s very naive or very bias for lebron being a clean athlete.

Didn’t read this reply, can someone let me know if he just repeated himself again and unintentionally dug himself into a deeper hole?

Since you don’t like to read any of my replies and respond childishly watch this video. Maybe you’re like most young people today who prefer videos to reading.

Watch on YouTube

[WillyJakkz]

LeBron may or may not have done PEDs but that doesn’t explain the longevity.

Reality is he’s one of the GOAT athletes and as someone else said he’s that good athletically that even with a decline in athleticism he’s still better than plenty of NBA players.

He’s also one of the first but definitely won’t be the last to benefit from the NBA’s shift over the years in how players manage their diet, body etc to remain at their best for longer.

Kevin Durant tore his Achilles in his 30s. Previously this injury was basically a death sentence for an elite basketball player. He recovered and continues to be a top 10 talent at 35.

Sports science has figured out ways to have guys perform at an elite level for longer and it will only continue to increase.

Will we see someone be as good as LeBron at 38? Maybe not, but that probably speaks more to the fact that he’s a GOAT level player so even a decline in his game makes him still superior to plenty of younger guys.

LeBron is also the first ever NBA star that has had the luxury to be able to spend millions every year on looking after their body.

Previous eras there just wasn’t that understanding of how beneficial sports science can be.

But just like with anything there are outliers. People and athletes that are so far ahead of the curve in any or many particular categories that when they do suffer an injury or loss it only brings them back to the pack or they still remain slightly ahead of the pack.

Dominique Wilkins at age 32 tore his Achilles '91-'92 season, came back and went on to average 29pts the following season.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wilkido01.html

[PistolPeteJR]

What a dumpster fire of a thread

[Kobe187]

Not playing defence and resting defensively, allows him to get easy points in transition/fast breaks going the other way. It’s working for the Lakers (who are great defensively around him) and he’s 39, so all good. But Playoffs he’ll have to play hard defence for the Lakers to have any chance at success.

[Homerclease]

D-Wades HGH hookup.

[Goomba3666]

Not playing defence and resting defensively, allows him to get easy points in transition/fast breaks going the other way. It’s working for the Lakers (who are great defensively around him) and he’s 39, so all good. But Playoffs he’ll have to play hard defence for the Lakers to have any chance at success.

Here's someone that actually watches the games. This is exactly what happens.

When they're going man-man coverage, he's usually guarding the player with no jumper so he can sag in the paint or roam. When they're playing zone, he basically never closes out to any shooters and only rotates a few feet every possession. Only time he exerts energy is when he's grabbing a board or leaking out for easy transition points.

Lebron stans HATE Darvin Ham (just like they've hated EVERY coach and teammate he's played alongside lol), but you can attribute Lebron's boost in numbers and longevity to Ham for sure. He knows Lebron ain't playing a lick of defense and trying to work miracles around it/hide Lebron in defense. It's actually quite impressive (until they play a decent team).

[salmonleg]

Can we just lock this already…

[Gregoire]

LeBron stans today are just.... going berserk...

'He is best player in the league at 39!!!" "Best player" going 3-10 after "in-season tournament" (and great celebration like they won chip haha)... very interesting case... I think its Davis fault!!

Jordan's "McDonalds cup" win in 1997 have more value than this "tournament"! Interesting if Lakers will make play-inn or not? Or they already win their "chip"?

[art_tatum]

He's hitting empty stats territory. Didn't take the Lakers anywhere without AD and now both cant even win despite getting big score offensive numbers. The problem is the D and lebron picking spots for easy stats but not forcing disrupting the flow of the game with offensive power

[NbaAllDay]

Haha you guys got sick of calling Embiid a stat padded so need a new target? Better pick on the oldest guy the league aye?

While we are at it, let's pretend people were actually calling him the best in the league to create a strawman arguement against it.

The irony has always been that the 'haters' are obsessed with him far more than any 'stan' every could and it makes me laugh everytime.