Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24 – (Trade Deadline Feb. 8, 3PM, ET)

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Unlikely Pels would do it but I'd love to dangle a few picks for Daniels. Fits into our TPE and is great defensively, tall at 6'8" and strong for a PG. Smart player, not great offensively yet but looks like he could develop well with a decent enough looking stroke. Just seems like a Celts player.

If Brad really doesn't care about firsts, then say **** it and dangle a couple of them as he's cheap for a few years and gives us more flexibility.

[playa-hater]

Unlikely Pels would do it but I'd love to dangle a few picks for Daniels. Fits into our TPE and is great defensively, tall at 6'8" and strong for a PG. Smart player, not great offensively yet but looks like he could develop well with a decent enough looking stroke. Just seems like a Celts player.

If Brad really doesn't care about firsts, then say **** it and dangle a couple of them as he's cheap for a few years and gives us more flexibility.

DD was the 8th pick in 2022. Would they give up on him already. Also shooting 28 and 25% in 2 years from 3...

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Unlikely Pels would do it but I'd love to dangle a few picks for Daniels. Fits into our TPE and is great defensively, tall at 6'8" and strong for a PG. Smart player, not great offensively yet but looks like he could develop well with a decent enough looking stroke. Just seems like a Celts player.

If Brad really doesn't care about firsts, then say **** it and dangle a couple of them as he's cheap for a few years and gives us more flexibility.

DD was the 8th pick in 2022. Would they give up on him already. Also shooting 28 and 25% in 2 years from 3...

I did say they'd be unlikely to do it, your second sentence could be answered by your third. I personally think he can get league average on 3s and would love it if Brad inquired.

[playa-hater]

Unlikely Pels would do it but I'd love to dangle a few picks for Daniels. Fits into our TPE and is great defensively, tall at 6'8" and strong for a PG. Smart player, not great offensively yet but looks like he could develop well with a decent enough looking stroke. Just seems like a Celts player.

If Brad really doesn't care about firsts, then say **** it and dangle a couple of them as he's cheap for a few years and gives us more flexibility.

DD was the 8th pick in 2022. Would they give up on him already. Also shooting 28 and 25% in 2 years from 3...

I did say they'd be unlikely to do it, your second sentence could be answered by your third. I personally think he can get league average on 3s and would love it if Brad inquired.

I would love a 6'8ish playmaker for sure. Kid has upside. T Murphy or DD for a first.. Go get em Brad!!

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

DD was the 8th pick in 2022. Would they give up on him already. Also shooting 28 and 25% in 2 years from 3...

I did say they'd be unlikely to do it, your second sentence could be answered by your third. I personally think he can get league average on 3s and would love it if Brad inquired.

I would love a 6'8ish playmaker for sure. Kid has upside. T Murphy or DD for a first.. Go get em Brad!!

Murphy would be a definite no from them and is poison pill I believe. Brad might be able to get their attention with a pick overpay for Dyson before he gets his offensive game together. Unlikely still, but I'd be happy to overpay and take the gamble in our situation.

[playa-hater]

I did say they'd be unlikely to do it, your second sentence could be answered by your third. I personally think he can get league average on 3s and would love it if Brad inquired.

I would love a 6'8ish playmaker for sure. Kid has upside. T Murphy or DD for a first.. Go get em Brad!!

Murphy would be a definite no from them and is poison pill I believe. Brad might be able to get their attention with a pick overpay for Dyson before he gets his offensive game together. Unlikely still, but I'd be happy to overpay and take the gamble in our situation.

NBA trade machine has Murphy at 3.5 million 2 years left.. So I don't know..

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

I would love a 6'8ish playmaker for sure. Kid has upside. T Murphy or DD for a first.. Go get em Brad!!

Murphy would be a definite no from them and is poison pill I believe. Brad might be able to get their attention with a pick overpay for Dyson before he gets his offensive game together. Unlikely still, but I'd be happy to overpay and take the gamble in our situation.

NBA trade machine has Murphy at 3.5 million 2 years left.. So I don't know..

Might have confused him with the re-signing of Herb Jones in the off-season.

Regardless, Murphy is one of their few offensive weapons from three, they wouldn't consider it I don't think. But yeah, if Brad can hypnotize them or something haha.

[Cricket23]

Santi Aldama only played 8:55 in an OT game for Memphis last night, and they're getting Brandon Clarke back around the all star break.

[RodyTur10]

Santi Aldama only played 8:55 in an OT game for Memphis last night, and they're getting Brandon Clarke back around the all star break.

That's a more realistic target than Murphy.

[Fierce1]

Aldama will just end up like Muscala.

Brad must get a player that will play in the playoffs.

Otherwise it's just a waste.

[Green89]

Aldama will just end up like Muscala.

Brad must get a player that will play in the playoffs.

Otherwise it's just a waste.

That's the goal, but if we have to give up multiple players to get KO, he'll still have to fill some spots with guys who won't get much playoff floor time.

[Hal14]

It's 40% of the roster, but those guys only played 9% of our minutes (slightly more than Pritchard alone). Swapping them for a couple of better guys to fill those minutes makes a lot of sense given your core 8 rotation players all stay put. Again, apart from Luke, these guys have only been with the team since the summer (one guy who's been in Maine the whole time). It's not as big a locker-room shake-up as you'd think, especially if Brad ends up converting a guy or two, which means less new faces.

Olynyk alone would eat up all the minutes that those 6 guys left. Guys like Dunn, Fontecchio, Yurtseven are arguably all better/equal to the 6 guys we're sending out. From a talent/value perspective, it's a win (depending on draft compensation needed). I think that outweighs any benefit from continuity for the 9-15 guys on your roster.

If they're going to be truly aggressive they to address the bench they likely have to make a weird move like this to match salary.

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make..

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

Yeah and half of them were COVID replacement players like Joe Johnson. Also, that team was not a contender for most of the season. We were under .500 halfway through the season and weren't really a legit contender until late in the season, *after* we made a few roster moves.

What I'm saying is that it's very rare (not sure if it's ever happened) for a team that is already a contender (team is literally THE favorite to win it all) to boot 5 or 6 guys off their team in the middle of the season. And it's also very rare (perhaps it's never happened) for a team to do a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade in the middle of the season, when the player they're getting back is a bench player..

If you're saying it's the norm, then prove it.

2023 NUggets - all they did for mid-season moves was flipping Bones Hyland (who they had to move because he was a 2nd yr bench player whining about playing time) for Reggie Jackson.

2022 Warriors - did nothing at the deadline that i'm aware of. Scooped up Gary Payton II early in the season out of the G League. Perhaps didn't feel the need to tinker anymore since they knew they had a good team and getting Klay back from injury halfway through the season was kind of like trading for a player.

2021 Bucks - traded for PJ Tucker. A minor move. Nothing too major. 4 total players were involved in the deal. And PJ Tucker was only making like $6 mil that season so they were able to get him without giving up too many players.

2021 Suns - traded cash for Torrey Craig. That's it..they made the NBA finals!

2020 Lakers - during summer when league was on COVID break, they signed JR Smith, but only to take the place of Avery Bradley who was injured. Also signed Markieff Morris as a FA, after Pistons waived him.

2019 - Raptors - traded for Marc Gasol. 4 total players involved in the deal. And Gasol would be their starting C. So it's not like they traded 5 or 6 guys for a 3rd string big man..

2019 Warriors - signed Bogut as a FA in March...that's it lol

2018 warriors - no notable in-season moves

[Fierce1]

Aldama will just end up like Muscala.

Brad must get a player that will play in the playoffs.

Otherwise it's just a waste.

That's the goal, but if we have to give up multiple players to get KO, he'll still have to fill some spots with guys who won't get much playoff floor time.

Yeah, Brad will have to add more or less 2 players if he's going to pull the trigger on a KO trade.

But I don't know if Brad is really serious about trading for KO.

I'm all for it as I'm a fan of KO.

Just too much of a stretch at this point in time.

[Hal14]

I think the best 3-D player out there is or will be soon enough is Trey Murphy III. Very consistent. Doesn't need to ball much. Shoots near 50 + 45 from 2 and 3... N.O doesn't start him so maybe he can be had for a 1st and Grant TPE.. If he rotated with Tatum and Brown I would be pumped.

If there's 1 player on the Pelicans roster who's untouchable, it's Trey Murphy. People around the league who are in the know, say he is a STUD who would go in the top 6 in a 2021 re-draft. As soon as he's eligible, he's getting a max extension and will be in New Orleans for a long time.

[cl2117]

You can try to make a case for it. But again, there isn't (to my knowledge) any precedence for doing a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade mid-season when you're only adding a player to be your 8th/9th man..and there's not (to my knowledge) any precedence for the NBA title favorite turning over 40% of it's roster mid-season.

Even if it's mostly end of the bench guys, it just just doesn't happen. It hasn't ever happened yet - that I'm aware of. Which means it probably won't happen.

I mean, think about it. If it was that easy to just take the worst 5 or 6 players on your roster, package them up, tack on a 1st or 2nd round pick and trade it all for a legit top 8 rotation player with playoff experience, size and shooting who over $12 mil per year, wouldn't every team make a move like that every season?

You guys can post whatever you want in here, of course. I'm just saying that if we want to be realistic, we should look at what moves contending teams have made mid-season over the past 5 or 6 years, throw out any outliers and those are the most realistic moves that we might make..

Lastly, while I'm sure Brad is looking into potentially a small move to improve the roster, let's remember that nothing too drastic is needed. Not only are we THE title favorite right now, but we're currently 2nd in the NBA in bench net rating and 4th in the NBA in bench +/-. Our bench is good. Could it be better? Sure. But major changes to it are not necessary, imo.

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

Yeah and half of them were COVID replacement players like Joe Johnson. Also, that team was not a contender for most of the season. We were under .500 halfway through the season and weren't really a legit contender until late in the season, *after* we made a few roster moves.

What I'm saying is that it's very rare (not sure if it's ever happened) for a team that is already a contender (team is literally THE favorite to win it all) to boot 5 or 6 guys off their team in the middle of the season. And it's also very rare (perhaps it's never happened) for a team to do a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade in the middle of the season, when the player they're getting back is a bench player..

If you're saying it's the norm, then prove it.

2023 NUggets - all they did for mid-season moves was flipping Bones Hyland (who they had to move because he was a 2nd yr bench player whining about playing time) for Reggie Jackson.

2022 Warriors - did nothing at the deadline that i'm aware of. Scooped up Gary Payton II early in the season out of the G League. Perhaps didn't feel the need to tinker anymore since they knew they had a good team and getting Klay back from injury halfway through the season was kind of like trading for a player.

2021 Bucks - traded for PJ Tucker. A minor move. Nothing too major. 4 total players were involved in the deal.

2020 Lakers - during summer when league was on COVID break, they signed JR Smith, but only to take the place of Avery Bradley who was injured. Also signed Markieff Morris as a FA, after Pistons waived him.

2019 - Raptors - traded for Marc Gasol. 4 total players involved in the deal. And Gasol would be their starting C. So it's not like they traded 5 or 6 guys for a 3rd string big man..

2018 warriors - no notable in-season moves

The year before we traded 5 guys across two deals to bring back Derrick White and Daniel Theis:

1. White for Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford
2. Theis for Dennis Schroder, Enes Kanter and Bruno Fernando

A 6 for 3 trade isn't as crazy as it seems.

[BK_2020]

6 for 3 trade is illegal as the Jazz have 15 players on their roster. It'll have to be 6 for 6, except 6 for 6 is illegal since we can't take back that much salary. The Jazz have to cut 3 players and send KO + 2 back, or we could also find additional teams to absorb those 3 players but all that will take additional compensation.

[Hal14]

The ‘22 team that went to the Finals literally played 28 different dudes.

Besides if they do indeed trade for KO just bring back Blake and pretty much have more experience on the team not less anyways. Regardless you are just tilting at windmills, swapping 5-6 guys in total is not remotely unusual it’s more like the norm, just happens in a couple of different moves.

Yeah and half of them were COVID replacement players like Joe Johnson. Also, that team was not a contender for most of the season. We were under .500 halfway through the season and weren't really a legit contender until late in the season, *after* we made a few roster moves.

What I'm saying is that it's very rare (not sure if it's ever happened) for a team that is already a contender (team is literally THE favorite to win it all) to boot 5 or 6 guys off their team in the middle of the season. And it's also very rare (perhaps it's never happened) for a team to do a 5 for 1 or 6 for 1 trade in the middle of the season, when the player they're getting back is a bench player..

If you're saying it's the norm, then prove it.

2023 NUggets - all they did for mid-season moves was flipping Bones Hyland (who they had to move because he was a 2nd yr bench player whining about playing time) for Reggie Jackson.

2022 Warriors - did nothing at the deadline that i'm aware of. Scooped up Gary Payton II early in the season out of the G League. Perhaps didn't feel the need to tinker anymore since they knew they had a good team and getting Klay back from injury halfway through the season was kind of like trading for a player.

2021 Bucks - traded for PJ Tucker. A minor move. Nothing too major. 4 total players were involved in the deal.

2020 Lakers - during summer when league was on COVID break, they signed JR Smith, but only to take the place of Avery Bradley who was injured. Also signed Markieff Morris as a FA, after Pistons waived him.

2019 - Raptors - traded for Marc Gasol. 4 total players involved in the deal. And Gasol would be their starting C. So it's not like they traded 5 or 6 guys for a 3rd string big man..

2018 warriors - no notable in-season moves

The year before we traded 5 guys across two deals to bring back Derrick White and Daniel Theis:

1. White for Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford
2. Theis for Dennis Schroder, Enes Kanter and Bruno Fernando

A 6 for 3 trade isn't as crazy as it seems.

We were the 8 seed at the time we made those moves. A team that is the 8 seed, sure, they might shake things up at the deadline and turn over quite a bit of their roster to make a splash.

That's VERY different than the position we're in right now - best team in the league, THE favorites to win the title.

It's comparing apples to oranges.

[cl2117]

We were the 8 seed at the time we made those moves. A team that is the 8 seed, sure, they might shake things up at the deadline and turn over quite a bit of their roster to make a splash.

That's VERY different than the position we're in right now - best team in the league, THE favorites to win the title.

It's comparing apples to oranges.

It shows that teams do overhaul the back-end of their rosters, even mid-season. In the most recent 3 seasons we've moved 5 for 2 in the KP/Jrue deals, 5 for 1 in the Brogdon deal and 5 for 2 in the White/Theis deals (which were mid-season).

It's 6 guys who have played only 9% of our minutes. The guy who played the most minutes so far (Kornet at 3%), might have lost his spot to a two-way guy anyway. It's not that big of a shake up. Your core 8 guys stay in place and you improve all your depth options.

It'd be WAY more of a shakeup to move someone currently in our rotation than moving several guys who aren't.

[Dogen]

If we trade Walsh I’m rioting until we win 18, then I’ll tone it down to yelling!

I’m as adamant about his potential as i was about Giannis and Hali, but I’m not saying he’s going to be as good. I’m saying he’s going to be at least a really good 6th man.

Ok BS aside… KL is what I’m feeling!

I don't want to give up Walsh either! At the draft, I wanted Jaime Jaquez to slip to us, or move up past Miami to get him (Rat Riley always snags my guy). However, I thought Walsh was a great second choice, and a steal at 38th. He's just much younger than Jaquez and needs to develop.

Celtics Today has a nice package that gets Otto Porter from Toronto for Grant TPE plus 2nd, then flips Porter, Brissett, and Kornet for Olynyk and Micah Potter. That's two trades I would do, and seems like a Brad type of trade. Not sure what else would be needed from Danny. He might have a good enough relationship with Brad to make a friendly deal and help get KO to a contender. Also getting a couple pieces back for future moves.

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[ConstableGeneva]

If we trade Walsh I’m rioting until we win 18, then I’ll tone it down to yelling!

I’m as adamant about his potential as i was about Giannis and Hali, but I’m not saying he’s going to be as good. I’m saying he’s going to be at least a really good 6th man.

Ok BS aside… KL is what I’m feeling!

I don't want to give up Walsh either! At the draft, I wanted Jaime Jaquez to slip to us, or move up past Miami to get him (Rat Riley always snags my guy). However, I thought Walsh was a great second choice, and a steal at 38th. He's just much younger than Jaquez and needs to develop.

Celtics Today has a nice package that gets Otto Porter from Toronto for Grant TPE plus 2nd, then flips Porter, Brissett, and Kornet for Olynyk and Micah Potter. That's two trades I would do, and seems like a Brad type of trade. Not sure what else would be needed from Danny. He might have a good enough relationship with Brad to make a friendly deal and help get KO to a contender. Also getting a couple pieces back for future moves.

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This isn't a legal trade. Have to wait 60 days before a player acquired via trade can be aggregated for salary in another trade. The time to do this was early December.